Elusive Arthur

[heywood]

The GRO pdf is only available for births and deaths.

[bbart]

The GRO pdf is only available for births and deaths.

Oh shoot, that's right.   

[Jomot]

An outside possibility in 1891 is the Arthur Oakes aged 23 born Burnham, Buckinghamshire, working as a domestic footman in the household of Mary Ailesbury (Mary, Marchioness of Ailesbury) at 78 Pall Mall, Westminster.

In the same household is her nephew, Rev Henry Cunliffe.  Following his death in 1894 a newspaper article stated Henry was very well known in Wrexham, being the son of Robert Henry Cunliffe of Acton Park.

Although Burnham obviously isn't in London, I can't find this particular Arthur Oakes after 1891.  In 1871 & 1881 he is in Burnham with his parents William, a gardener, and Agnes.

Without the marriage certificate though its all guesswork.

[avm228]

An outside possibility in 1891 is the Arthur Oakes aged 23 born Burnham, Buckinghamshire, working as a domestic footman in the household of Mary Ailesbury (Mary, Marchioness of Ailesbury) at 78 Pall Mall, Westminster.

In the same household is her nephew, Rev Henry Cunliffe.  Following his death in 1894 a newspaper article stated Henry was very well known in Wrexham, being the son of Robert Henry Cunliffe of Acton Park.

Although Burnham obviously isn't in London, I can't find this particular Arthur Oakes after 1891.  In 1871 & 1881 he is in Burnham with his parents William, a gardener, and Agnes.

Without the marriage certificate though its all guesswork.

This chap seems to have continued his career in service, progressing to butler in another of the grand houses of London, though he had lost a few years in age by the last census (b c 1873).

[Dundee]

However this has been a family mystery how Arthur born in London ended up in the North West/North Wales.

Because that is where his wife was born.  In 1901 she was in service in Hoylake Cum West Kirby so presumedly that is how they met.

Debra 

[chempat]

Welcome to rootschat.

If you look at the household he is in in 1901 census, members come from Scotland, Ireland and Mexico, plus more local places, and London, so remember that people did travel for a variety of reasons.
Do you have his marriage certificate to help to locate his father, and then his parents?

[davidmorgan68]

My goodness me so many helpful people here I really appreciate the replies. Sorry late responding to all your great messages. Here's were I am.

Ellen Price (Wife) - Thanks to Dundee as I missed her in the 1901 Census at Hoylake Cum West Kirby, she however
was born in Allington, Rossett, Denbighshire 1878. There's another mystery can't find her on the 1891 Census, but all others I can.

I have researched all Arthur Oakes born in England & wales 1868-1870. So the Camberwell & Popular ones still lived there in 1901 & 1911.

I have however, stumbled across Arthur Oakes 1891 Census born in "Surrey" in Willesden as a Visitor ??

Does the 1939 Register contain DOB or just Year of birth?

With regards to a marriage certificate, was it compulusary in 1904 to identify your previous history? As like have stated no one in the family
knows where he originated from or anything so again the information could be incorrect?

Again thank you very much for your replies love this site and will help anyone as much as you have responsed to me.

[rosie99]

The 1939 register will give a date of birth though they were not required to prove it so it could be wrong.

Marriage certificates can also contain 'lies' as no proof to authenticate the information was required. Do you have the certificate as that is the normal route most of us would take.

[davidmorgan68]

Thanks Rosie. I guess that's the next route.