Florence Nightingale

[Derbysderek]

I think you are driving yourself up so many blind alleys in your determination to find a link that just does not exist, that you are losing control of what is relevant and what isn't.

Having ascertained that JANE BOWMER wife of Hugh, was in fact a Nightingale, and the ONLY Nightingale anywhere in your family...........you should be aware that she was baptised 31.08.1828 at Wirksworth..daughter of JOSEPH and ELLEN NIGHTINGALE................In 1841 they were living at Cromford.

I suggest that your one and only hope is to get back far enough into the pedigree of Joseph (born 1806)...in the forlorn hope that it might link with the earlier family of "Mad" Peter Nightingale..the last of his particular line......I have done this so many times in the past for people who refuse to accept that there are other Nightingale/Nightingall families in and around Derbyshire who have no relationship with Florence Nightingale..who of course was only of that name because her father changed his name to Nightingale by Deed Poll..in order to inherit property from his great uncle Mad Peter.........who died childless
.............but if you want to spend the rest of your life chasing shadows...........good luck.

Derek.

[jael438]

Derek
Have just read your very blunt reply, I have never claimed to be related I just was proving or disproving something my Grandad took to be fact.
I will carry on but I doubt I will visit this site again, I did think that you may be of help, but to tell me I am losing control of relevance is downright rude.
As for MAD Peter he was a bit reckless horse riding and gambling but a very succesful business man who built a smelting business and a couple of mills, not so MAD!!!
John

[Derbysderek]

I am here to help..nothing else...and nothing I said was meant to be rude..nor can it in any be construed as rude...........some of have been on this question for years..and people ignore or reject perfectly good HARD WORK.as I inferred.but by all means carry on searching..as long as you don't' as some do create a link that is not there. I do   get annoyed sometimes, but that is probably because I find on other Trees I find my own mother buried in three different American States......when in fact I buried her in Bristol UK.
Sorry if you take my earlier reply any other than the way it was meant.
Derek.

[Derbysderek]

Oh.and by the way....if you read the Literature..he was known...in his time..as Mad Peter...which as you may agree can be a synonym for reckless....

[jael438]

Yes I HAVE read the literature, but you do keep saying MAD PN when that was a nickname, you always make it sound as if he needed treatment.

In my previous post which you obviously did not read i wrote as follows

"It is through Mary Ann Wragg nee Bowmer that the name Nightingale comes up, I cannot see any way that there is a relationship to FN because the name should be Shore"

[ks196]

 I found this thread via google when trying to find some info on Nightingales in  the derby area,I have thoroughly enjoyed myself reading through it I am hoping that someone  might be able to assist me, I am struggling and seem to be at a brick wall with my research at a Joseph Nightingale.   Joseph would be my 4Th great grandfather. I  have found a Joseph born 1806- 1850, father named  Richard. I am not altogether sure its the right Joseph as there is little or no information on him, it certainly looks as if the dates match roughly but I had guessed he died between 1851 and 61, as he must have passed away quite young also as he never appears on a census with his wife, Mary Calvert, But she is  still down as married on the 1851 census, widowed on the following one.  The other night I took a step backwards and went back to looking at the children that they had  it was only then that I discovered that 3 of the 7 children were actually registered as Shore Nightingale, (the mums maiden name is Calvert).  This took me a bit by surprise, so now I am thinking that perhaps the reason I am struggling to find information about Joseph Nightingale is the name change at some point in time ? So rather than chasing a nightingale connection I should perhaps be looking at shores?  I have read all about the nightingales and shores from the fantastic links provided in this thread. I just don't know how to tie it all together.  I am not totally happy about the name of Richard  for his dad either, it just doesn't seem to fit in somehow, you know how you get a pattern in families, for example lots of Joseph, Thomas, Mary down the lines, this is mainly how my research has been until Richard turned up. It just doesn't seem to sit right. I would dearly love to get further back than my 4Th great grandfather, if anyone has any information or could point me in the right direction I would be most grateful.  Just for the record, I am not one bit bothered  about findling Florence, I would just like to get back a bit further in time.  Thank you for your time.
Kind Regards
Kath

[spendlove]

Hi,

Think it best in order to receive help you give us more detail of the family.

Date of marriage and where
Names and Bpt of children and where
Census details you have

With this info we can all start looking.

Spendlove

[spendlove]

Hi

Is this the correct marriage for your Joseph

Joseph nightingale = Mary Calvert. (Batch & Spinster)

20 Feb 1830 Duffield derbyshire

Witness
William Nightingale & Ellen Nightingale

Neither bride, groom or witnesses could write they all made their mark.

There were Nailers in Belper withe the name Nightingale so is census info you have In Belper ?

Spendlove

[ks196]

Thank you spendlove for your reply.
Joseph Nightingale  Born about 1800- 1806  He never appears on the census with his wife although I did find him , if it is him on a  census 1841 in Darton, yorkshire listed as a nailer, 35 Years with a benjamin Nightingale aged 24 years.
Mary Calvert born 1808 Crich  Baptised 24 April died Oct 1881 Daughter of Thomas Calvert  1780 and Ann Fox
 Joseph Nightingale Married Mary Calvert at Duffield 20 Feb 1830

Children  Ann Nightingale Born 1830, Stafford ,Burton on tent
John Nightingale 8 April 1832 Crich, Derby Died 1835
Thomas Nightingale 13 June 1834 Crich, Derby Died 24 June 1839 Born Belper Union
John Nightingale  1836 Crich, Derby
Thomas Nightingale 10 June 1840 -1900
Martha Nightingale April 1842 Crich, Derby
Mary Ann Nightingale 21 Feb 1845

Apologies it is  his son ,Thomas Nightingale 1834,  children who I found with the  Shore Nightingale registration His wife is Mary Ann Waller
 Thomas is my 3x great grand father it is him that had children registered under  Nightingale shore
Mary Jane shore Nightingale 1870 April, Barrow, Ulverstone
Ann shore Nightingale  19 Oct 1868, Barrow in furness


That is the right marriage you found, I do not know how William Nightingale fits either.  I am most grateful for any help.  The census for his family are turnpike side, Crich.
Thank you