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German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« on: Thursday 08 March 18 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone please translate these headings from POW papers 1918 . Or would it be better if I posted this on the Handwriting Deciphering page ?
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 March 18 22:19 GMT (UK) »
1  Serial number
2  a Surname b Forename c only for Russians - father's forename
3  Rank
4 a/b Type of unit c Company
5  a/b taken prisoner (location and date)
6  a Date of birth and place b/c Address of next of kin

the manuscript is the name of a POW camp which is Langensalza (in the area of Kassel)

Interesting piece here on the camp http://www.edinburghs-war.ed.ac.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_Langensalza_POW_Camp.pdf

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Re: German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 March 18 23:22 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much . I guessed most of it but it is easy to make guesses and go off at a tangent.
I wanted to be clear as the relevant column for 5 a/b says St Simon  24 /3 /18  and (c) Kohle West Front. and I can't find a reference to St Simon. Any ideas where to look next?
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 March 18 09:00 GMT (UK) »
Apologies first, I left out 5 c which means "previous location".    Could you say what his name/number are?  In addition, when was he taken prisoner and what was his unit, looking at the area they were in on a map may help.
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Re: German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 March 18 10:51 GMT (UK) »
name   H O Pellant   68950  7 R Fusrs 

The details above and below him are for men at Cambrai same date 24 /3 /18 which was where a relative thought he was wounded.

The date stamp at the top of this form is 20 AOU 1918- don't understand this either (as see below)
he was repatriated wounded from Germany 2 June 1918 with a shoulder injury
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 09 March 18 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Found his card in the

Archives of the International Prisoners of War Agency 1914-1919

https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/3706848/3/2/

won´t help much, not a lot of info

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Re: German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 March 18 14:43 GMT (UK) »
While I also find his card, I have not been able to find (to my embarrassment) the listing with the German headings and notations that you refer to.  Could you provide directions please?

Looking at the war diary for March 1918, 7 R Fus were engaged in the retreat from Cambrai and between 23rd and the evening of the 25th were fighting heavy rearguard actions while withdrawing from Havrincourt Wood to Thiepval, a distance of about 20 miles in a straight line taking casualties all the way.  Some 35 miles south east of the area in which they were fighting is a place called Saint Simon which was on the German side of the line at that time and may very well be the first place he was formally registered as a POW, having been brought there from somewhere else.

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Re: German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« Reply #7 on: Friday 09 March 18 15:15 GMT (UK) »
It's probably not critical, but 2b asks for just the name by which the person is known.
Bagwell of Kilmore & Lisronagh, Co. Tipperary;  Beatty from Enniskillen;  Brown from Preston, Lancs.;  Burke of Ballydugan, Co. Galway;  Casement in the IoM and Co. Antrim;  Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane;  Frobisher;  Guillemard;  Harrison in Co. Antrim and Dublin;  Jones around Burton Pedwardine, Lincs.;  Lindesay of Loughry;  Newcomen of Camlagh, Co. Roscommon;  Shield;  Watson from Kidderminster;  Wilkinson from Leeds

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Re: German Headings on International Red Cross POW papers Any help please
« Reply #8 on: Friday 09 March 18 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone for all your input.

 MaxD --there are two different cards for Harry Pellant in the International PWA The first  one is for Pellant Harry O and the other Pellant O H One card comes under the Pegram etc index and one card under Pell etc. Not sure why! I hope this makes sense? Barbara
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman