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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 April 18 17:08 BST (UK) »
Je vous remercie tous d'avoir répondu si vite et de m'aider autant
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J'ai en main un copie délivrée en 1946 de leur mariage,
(PSR 67755/46) Le père est porté John Johnson   La mère par contre est Sarah ]ohnson et non Mary

Ellen sur l'acte de naissance de mon Grand père en 1873, a 26 ans ce qui correspond à une naissance en 1847.
Je demanderai copie acte de naissance mais je voudrais être sûre que c'est la bonne personne.

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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 April 18 17:26 BST (UK) »
Pour le moment, je ne suis pas sûre  que la naissance de 1846 est la bonne personne.  Je voudrais  réfléchir aux informations nouvelles.

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 April 18 18:51 BST (UK) »

J'ai en main un copie délivrée en 1946 de leur mariage,
(PSR 67755/46) Le père est porté John Johnson   La mère par contre est Sarah ]ohnson et non Mary


Les certificats de mariage en Angleterre n'enregistrent pas le nom de la mère.  Sarah Johnson qui a signé le certificat était un témoin du mariage, peut-être une soeur, une belle-soeur ou une tante?

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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 08 April 18 19:13 BST (UK) »

exact: in the  presence of us


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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 08 April 18 19:28 BST (UK) »
I've looked again at 1841, 1851 & 1861 census and noticed a couple of things.

1851 Census
Address 17 Doris Street
John Johnson, estimated year of birth 1807
Mary Johnson, wife, estimated year of birth 1804; place of birth Blackfriars, Surrey
John                son age 18                                   POB Lambeth
Ann Henrietta Johnson, daughter, age 13, estimated YOB 1838;  POB Birmingham
Richard            son  age 10                                   POB Lambeth
Maria               daughter age 8                              POB Lambeth
Ellen                daughter age 6;  estimated year of birth 1845;  POB Lambeth


1861 census 17 Doris St.
John Johnson, estimated year of birth 1807
Mary M. Johnson, wife estimated year of birth 1808; place of birth Christchurch, Surrey
Richard C.            son age 20  est. year of birth 1841   POB Lambeth
Maria                  daughter age 18 est. yr. of birth 1843; POB Lambeth
Ellen                   daughter age 15 estimated year of birth 1846; POB Lambeth


1841 census
Household consisted of adults, John & Mary Johnson (both aged 30 giving estimated YOB 1811) + 4 boys including Richard aged 1. Ann was not present.

Observations:
1.Ellen's was recorded as age 6 on 1851 census and age 15 on 1861 census. If those ages were both correct it would indicate a birthday in March or April. When were dates of 1851 & 1861 census?
2.Mary has a middle initial M on 1861 census. Mary's estimated year of birth varied by 4 years between 1851 & 1861 census. Her stated place of birth also differs slightly. (My knowledge of geography there is sketchy.) John's age was consistent. It may simply have been a case of a woman wanting to believe she was younger than she was.
3. Ann appeared with the family on 1851 census only. She would have been around 3 years old at time of 1841 census. Her place of birth was Birmingham. Elder and younger siblings all had POB Lambeth.

Ann Johnson birth registration to consider:
1837 D quarter Birmingham; Ann Harriet Johnson; mother's maiden name Johnson.
Ann's middle name in 1851 census enumerator's book was Henrietta but it may have been an incorrect transcription of Harriet.  :-\
Alternatively Ann Henrietta Johnson may have been from a different relationship. :-\









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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 08 April 18 20:19 BST (UK) »
1851 was 30 March, 1861 was 7 April

Christ Church Southwark is on Blackfriars Road

Marriage of Ellen and Jean Louis was in St Mary Church Lambeth

St Mary's Church Lambeth was the parish church to Doris Street

Would the 1846 Q 1 birth of Ellen Johnson Lambeth fit?

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 08 April 18 20:31 BST (UK) »
1851 was 30 March, 1861 was 7 April

Christ Church Southwark is on Blackfriars Road

Marriage of Ellen and Jean Louis was in St Mary Church Lambeth

St Mary's Church Lambeth was the parish church to Doris Street

Would the 1846 Q 1 birth of Ellen Johnson Lambeth fit?

MaxD
Thanks for the geography lesson.
A baptism for Ellen may help.
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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 08 April 18 21:10 BST (UK) »
Donc en résumé ce serait bien la famille de mon Ellen et Ann qui apparait entre 2 recensements est soit étrangère à la filiation soit décédée entre 1851 et 1861.Je vais demander l'acte de naissance et vous tiendrais au courant.
Merci encore.

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Re: sur les traces de Nelly Johnson
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 15 April 18 16:55 BST (UK) »
Je reviens auprès de vous et ne vous ai pas oublié; mais depuis ma dernière écriture, j'essaie de demander l'acte de naissance avec tous les renseignements que vous m'avez donné mais je tourne en rond et les sites ne valide pas ma demande.
Y a t-il une adresse de ces sites où je pourrais écrire pour faire ma demande en dehors d'internet.

Je vous remercie de vos réponses.