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Wanted BIRMINGHAM Local knowledge
« on: Saturday 21 April 18 13:50 BST (UK) »
I know that MARY bird with 4 of her children was living at Brickiln ST Birmingham in 1841
HO107/1143/ 9 fo45 p15
I cant find a Brickiln St in Birmingham (there is one in BROWNHILLS) only a BRIKILN Lane  is that the same place?
There is no sign of her husband so I assume he has died. Their last child was born in 1828
There are two burials for Joseph Birds
 St MARTIN in BIRMINGHAM in the County  of Warwick in April in the Year 1828
604   Joseph BIRD   Loveday Street   18th   66years   J Moore

St Philip Birmingham   Warwick in the Year 1839
981   Joseph BIRD   John Street   29th May   48 years   C Arnold
   (Buried at St Barthws Chapel)   <St Bartholomew’s Chapel>

The question is if they were living in 1822 New John St and Bicklin St in 1840 which of these burials is most likely?

Mary was buried  at  Saints Peter and Paul Aston near Birmingham in the Year 1861
1783   Mary Widow of Joseph BIRD      Aston New Town   May12th   74years   By W G Morton Curate
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Re: Wanted BIRMINGHAM Local knowledge
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 April 18 14:30 BST (UK) »
First page of the 1841 census gives location of the Enumerator's walk.

This map shows the general location.

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=52.4869&lon=-1.8934&layers=6&right=BingHyb
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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Re: Wanted BIRMINGHAM Local knowledge
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 April 18 14:34 BST (UK) »
You can see Brickiln Street on this map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/407398/287632/13/100356
If you keep zooming out you get the modern map.

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Re: Wanted BIRMINGHAM Local knowledge
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 April 18 15:06 BST (UK) »
Wow two wonderful answers the maps would seem to point at the Loveday St death being more likely but looking at the GRO index ( origially took the burials from parish burials on AN..TRY before the Ages were available on the GRO iNDEX) anyway there is a death in 1838 in Aston Union for a Joseph age 52 puting his birth year the same as Mary's so I have ordered a pdf copy if it shows an address in BIKLIN st an occupation bone/pearl or ivory turner and a known family informant I'll be dancing around if not I think it must be the chap from Loveday St
A big thank you for great links they will be very useful with other folk on the tree too/
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Re: Wanted BIRMINGHAM Local knowledge
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 April 18 10:56 BST (UK) »
I have received the death certificate for the JOSEPH who died in 1838 he is not my Joseph so I am back looking at this one
BURIALS in the Parish of St Philip Birmingham   Warwick in the Year 1839
981   Joseph BIRD   John Street   29th May   48 years   C Arnold
   (Buried at St Barthws Chapel)   <St Bartholomew’s Chapel>

The problem being there is no registration that matches this burial so I can't send for a certificate

Is there a John Street anywhere near Brickiln S
t and would someone from either Brickiln St or New John Street have been buried in St Bartholomew's chapel?

if this is the right Joseph did his wife move to Brickiln St after his death?
I know they were at New John St in 1822 and in Brickiln St in 1849 when three teenage daughters were baptised together in St Martins I wonder if moving to the new house prompted a visit from the vicar and persuasion to be baptised.
Is St Martins near Brickiln St?
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Re: Wanted BIRMINGHAM Local knowledge
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 April 18 11:34 BST (UK) »
St Bartholomew's Church is close to New John Street - scroll down on this link for a map:  https://ahistoryofbirminghamchurches.jimdo.com/birmingham-st-martin-in-the-bull-ring/st-bartholomew-digbeth/

Further down the page is a history of St Bartolomew's, which states that it was built as a chapel of ease for St Martin's, and had a large graveyard, St Martin's graveyard not being large enough for the increasing bumber of burials.

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Re: Wanted BIRMINGHAM Local knowledge
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 April 18 12:31 BST (UK) »
great mow I wonder if they simply called NEW john ST, jOHN Street in the register
Now I wonder if I can prove my suspicions that Joseph was born 1791 and married to Mary Akkin
Many thanks
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