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Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« on: Thursday 03 May 18 17:17 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help please. I’m trying to find where Ann Pearce b. approx 1796 was born. All I have on this lady  is she married George Hillier in 1824 at Stanton St Bernard, Wilts.
There was a James Pearce ( maybe her father) on the marriage entry as witness. I would like to find if George and Ann had any children between 1824 & 1829 as 1829 was when Ann died. I thought if they had children then maybe possibly they went to live with her parents because George remarried in 1836 and had two boys with Kezia Chandler, no mention of any other children.
That’s why I’m trying to find where Ann  was born so I can find out her mother’s name too and hopefully look at the 1841 census to see if I can find any children with the Pearce family.
All I can find is an Ann Pearce born in Buckinghamshire with father James and an Ann born in Westminster, London with father James.
Hillier-George, Keziah,Thomas,William of Pewsey. Wiltshire.
Hillier-Herbert, of Manchester, Lancashire.
Hillier-Eleanor of Manchester, Lancs. also, Hoffman Eleanor, & Sowerby Eleanor.

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Re: Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 May 18 17:44 BST (UK) »
There are 4 births in Enford Wiltshire for Hillier children born to George & Ann Hillier that could be possibles.
Dinah Christened 24/10/1824
Selina same date as Dinah
Elizabeth 23/4/1826
Sarah 6/1/1828

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Re: Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 May 18 19:12 BST (UK) »
Hi, thank you for that.
I have seen these entries a few times but because it says Enford I have just left it. When George and Ann got married I didn’t know where they lived so I suppose these could be a possibility.
I have looked  at the distance between Enford and Wilcot (where George came from) and Enford & Stanton St. Bernard where Ann came from.
On foot it’s a couple of hrs.
I just don’t want to assume these are the correct children in case their not but, it would be brilliant if they were so I’m unsure what to do really in terms of trying to eliminating them.
Hillier-George, Keziah,Thomas,William of Pewsey. Wiltshire.
Hillier-Herbert, of Manchester, Lancashire.
Hillier-Eleanor of Manchester, Lancs. also, Hoffman Eleanor, & Sowerby Eleanor.

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Re: Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 May 18 14:42 BST (UK) »
Hello
Hannah Pearce 3.8.1794 d of William and Jemmimah Stanton Bernard
Others William 11.12 1782 Thomas 21.8.1785,John 7.2.1788,Mary 8.6.1796
They are the only Pearce family in the parish

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Re: Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 May 18 23:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for your reply.
I’ll have a look at this family tomorrow- I think the father was James though as this is what is on Ann’s marriage to George, Ill keep you posted though if I uncover anything.

Thank you
Hillier-George, Keziah,Thomas,William of Pewsey. Wiltshire.
Hillier-Herbert, of Manchester, Lancashire.
Hillier-Eleanor of Manchester, Lancs. also, Hoffman Eleanor, & Sowerby Eleanor.

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Re: Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 May 18 11:22 BST (UK) »
Good Morning
Yes I've been thinking about it over night and I'm not happy either.
I went back and looked for a James Pearce the witness.
James 25.10.1802 s of John and Mary Pearce seems to be the man.
He died 2.4.1835 age 32
Brother Steven bapt 16.8.1807-7.9.1807
Father John 1767- 12.8.1830

John widower married 16 Aug 1801 Stanton St Bernard Mary Thorngate spinster
So Ann could be the daughter from his previous marriage and that gives us two choices.

Ann d of John and Betty 23 Dec 1798 Southbroom
Sister Sarah 23.3.1794
Married ? Southbroom Elizabeth Stevens 6.2.1786
John Pearce bapt 24.4.1765 s of James Phillips and Ann his wife sojourner at Southbroom.
That's just weird but that's what it says.
Possible Burial for  John 1764-25.9.1837


Ann age 4 d of John and Mary at Urchfont 29.6.1797
Sister Mary  4.2.1791
Possible burial for John 22.12.1813 age 57 but that would make him born 1757 so I don't think he's the one whose father of Ann and Mary.

See what you think I'm struggling but maybe it might spark some ideas with you.

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Re: Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 May 18 11:30 BST (UK) »
Maybe 2 different couples:

George Hillier
Marriage or Bann Date: 28 Feb 1822
Marriage or Bann Place: Enford, Wiltshire
Spouse: Ann Peirce

I did notice the 1836 Marriage on FreeREG but it didnt say George was widowed.

So presume this is George in Woodborough in 1841 Census:
Geo Hillier, 45, Shoemaker
Wm Hillier, 2
Thomas Hillier age 10 weeks is living with another Family ( entry on same page)

May be the boys 1851.
William Hillier   15
Thomas Hillier   12
In Devizes Union Workhouse, both down as born Pewsey
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Re: Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 05 May 18 18:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish thank you for looking that up for me.

I think quite a few ancestors in the 17th & 18th century use to bend the truth   ::) especially when it came to marrying someone - I watched a programme a few weeks ago and they were saying they use to lie about their age if they were too young to marry & say they were single if the church frowned upon divorcee’s. Why they didn’t own up to being widowed I don’t know.

The 1836 entry is my George and the boys, I have their birth and death certs. They did end up in the workhouse. George died and the boys were left there.

Wendy
Hillier-George, Keziah,Thomas,William of Pewsey. Wiltshire.
Hillier-Herbert, of Manchester, Lancashire.
Hillier-Eleanor of Manchester, Lancs. also, Hoffman Eleanor, & Sowerby Eleanor.

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Re: Ann Pearce birth place help please...
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 May 18 19:09 BST (UK) »
Good Morning
Yes I've been thinking about it over night and I'm not happy either.
I went back and looked for a James Pearce the witness.
James 25.10.1802 s of John and Mary Pearce seems to be the man.
He died 2.4.1835 age 32
Brother Steven bapt 16.8.1807-7.9.1807
Father John 1767- 12.8.1830

John widower married 16 Aug 1801 Stanton St Bernard Mary Thorngate spinster
So Ann could be the daughter from his previous marriage and that gives us two choices.

Ann d of John and Betty 23 Dec 1798 Southbroom
Sister Sarah 23.3.1794
Married ? Southbroom Elizabeth Stevens 6.2.1786
John Pearce bapt 24.4.1765 s of James Phillips and Ann his wife sojourner at Southbroom.
That's just weird but that's what it says.
Possible Burial for  John 1764-25.9.1837


Ann age 4 d of John and Mary at Urchfont 29.6.1797
Sister Mary  4.2.1791
Possible burial for John 22.12.1813 age 57 but that would make him born 1757 so I don't think he's the one whose father of Ann and Mary.

See what you think I'm struggling but maybe it might spark some ideas with you.

Ciderdrinker

Hi Ciderdrinker,

Thank you so much for your time in looking all this info up for me.

I think I’m going to have to go into each person and take my time trying to work things out, it’s quite mind boggling when you see all the names and dates in front of you especially when names are the same as someone else in the same parish.

I will get back to you to let you know if I think I’ve found the right family .

Thanks again

Wendy
Hillier-George, Keziah,Thomas,William of Pewsey. Wiltshire.
Hillier-Herbert, of Manchester, Lancashire.
Hillier-Eleanor of Manchester, Lancs. also, Hoffman Eleanor, & Sowerby Eleanor.