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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #18 on: Monday 28 May 18 18:20 BST (UK) »
I know I have muddled my quote replies up a bit from the read through just now, but I just wanted to thank all of you for your help and to say I am extremely grateful for all of your time, effort and help.
I have discounted John and Ann as George's parents for the time being and need to get George's marriage certificate in the hope it will give me a father's name.
Best wishes Emma
Sweetland (Chard/Yarcoombe/Honiton)
Garret/Stacey (Somerset)
Boultern/Boulton (Reading)
Crowther (Wolverhampton/Wednesbury/Birmingham)
Myres (Wolverhampton)
Palmer (Nottingham)
Cosby (Leighton Buzzard/Woodstock/Kidlington)
Hope (Oxford/Kidlington/Woodstock)
Williams (Yorkshire/Conisborough)
Draper (Bow Brickhill)
Draper Smith (Bow Brickhill/Woburn Sands)
Smith (Woburn Sands)

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #19 on: Monday 28 May 18 18:29 BST (UK) »
Be aware that if he was illegitimate then any father’s name given on his marriage certificate may be unreliable - often in those circumstances a father was invented (or a stepfather’s or grandfather’s details entered) to avoid the stigma of illegitimacy.

Witness names can often be important clues.

Do come back to the thread when you have the certificate, in case we can help you take your research further.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #20 on: Monday 28 May 18 19:14 BST (UK) »
Be aware that if he was illegitimate then any father’s name given on his marriage certificate may be unreliable - often in those circumstances a father was invented (or a stepfather’s or grandfather’s details entered) to avoid the stigma of illegitimacy.

Witness names can often be important clues.

Do come back to the thread when you have the certificate, in case we can help you take your research further.

Fantastic, thanks so much :)
Sweetland (Chard/Yarcoombe/Honiton)
Garret/Stacey (Somerset)
Boultern/Boulton (Reading)
Crowther (Wolverhampton/Wednesbury/Birmingham)
Myres (Wolverhampton)
Palmer (Nottingham)
Cosby (Leighton Buzzard/Woodstock/Kidlington)
Hope (Oxford/Kidlington/Woodstock)
Williams (Yorkshire/Conisborough)
Draper (Bow Brickhill)
Draper Smith (Bow Brickhill/Woburn Sands)
Smith (Woburn Sands)

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 14 June 18 15:04 BST (UK) »
Be aware that if he was illegitimate then any father’s name given on his marriage certificate may be unreliable - often in those circumstances a father was invented (or a stepfather’s or grandfather’s details entered) to avoid the stigma of illegitimacy.

Witness names can often be important clues.

Do come back to the thread when you have the certificate, in case we can help you take your research further.

Hi avm228,

I finally got the marriage certificate back, it says his father was Henry (I can't make out what his profession was but George and his family were involved in the circus/magic shows.
I can't find a George born to a Henry (on ancestry and familysearch), if they travelled with the circus he could have been born anywhere but selected Nottingham in the census records as perhaps this is where he remembered growing up?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated as I am a bit lost now!


Best wishes,
Emma
Sweetland (Chard/Yarcoombe/Honiton)
Garret/Stacey (Somerset)
Boultern/Boulton (Reading)
Crowther (Wolverhampton/Wednesbury/Birmingham)
Myres (Wolverhampton)
Palmer (Nottingham)
Cosby (Leighton Buzzard/Woodstock/Kidlington)
Hope (Oxford/Kidlington/Woodstock)
Williams (Yorkshire/Conisborough)
Draper (Bow Brickhill)
Draper Smith (Bow Brickhill/Woburn Sands)
Smith (Woburn Sands)


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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 14 June 18 15:33 BST (UK) »
Was Henry a cordwainer (shoemaker)?
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 14 June 18 15:52 BST (UK) »
Was Henry a cordwainer (shoemaker)?

Ahh that looks right, thank you. I can't find this Henry yet but knowing his proffession with help with the census searches so thanks very much.
Sweetland (Chard/Yarcoombe/Honiton)
Garret/Stacey (Somerset)
Boultern/Boulton (Reading)
Crowther (Wolverhampton/Wednesbury/Birmingham)
Myres (Wolverhampton)
Palmer (Nottingham)
Cosby (Leighton Buzzard/Woodstock/Kidlington)
Hope (Oxford/Kidlington/Woodstock)
Williams (Yorkshire/Conisborough)
Draper (Bow Brickhill)
Draper Smith (Bow Brickhill/Woburn Sands)
Smith (Woburn Sands)

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 14 June 18 16:22 BST (UK) »
Interesting :)

The George we were looking at earlier - born illegitimately to Elizabeth Palmer - did have a stepfather called Henry (Plackitt), as found by keyboard86 at reply #13. 

However, Henry Plackitt's occupation in 1841 is FWK (Frame Work Knitter), so not a match for cordwainer.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 14 June 18 16:28 BST (UK) »
Interesting that George claims to be of full age - 21 or over - on marriage (1 August 1857).  If true, that makes his birthdate on or before 1 August 1836, so he'd be a couple of years older than most of his census entries would suggest.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 14 June 18 16:38 BST (UK) »
Sadly, having a father named on a marriage certificate doesn't mean that it's true.

One of my ancestors named two different men on his two marriage certificates.  :-\
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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