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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:26 BST (UK) »
George noted as full age on the marriage in August 1857, yet on the 1861 census is 22.

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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:27 BST (UK) »
Hi if I read the marriage certificate correctly, George was living in Tyler Street, the George Placket aged 13 was living there in 1851?
Census ref HO107/2132/733/5
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:52 BST (UK) »
Hi again, could also be shown aged 14 visiting a William Flinders at 5, Carlton Row occ Labourer.
Census ref HO107/2132/505/33?
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 14 June 18 18:41 BST (UK) »
Hi again, Harriett Rogers on marriage certificate was in Platt Street, in 1851 transcribed as PLAT Street is a Harriett Rogers aged 9 with parents Thomas occ Tailor/Sarah
Census ref HO107/2132/644/46
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #31 on: Friday 15 June 18 14:16 BST (UK) »
Hi in 1851 census George Placket 13 was living at 11, Tyler Street, Nottingham, in 1861 a Mary Palmer 51? Widow b Castle Donnington was living there?
Census ref RG09/2462/7/7
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EDIT At 12, Tyler Street is:-
Henry Plackett 41 ( Hackett on FindMyPast ) occ Labourer
Bessie 39
Robert 12
Emma Stevenson 2 or 21?
Census ref RG09/2462/7/8
Believe Henry dies March qtr 1864 Nottingham aged 45

Then we have 1871:-

Elizabeth Plackett 50 Widow
Robert 23 Son
Mary Jessop 70 Mother
Emma Plackett 13 Grandaughter?
RG10/3521/10/11
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #32 on: Friday 15 June 18 23:01 BST (UK) »
Interesting :)

The George we were looking at earlier - born illegitimately to Elizabeth Palmer - did have a stepfather called Henry (Plackitt), as found by keyboard86 at reply #13. 

However, Henry Plackitt's occupation in 1841 is FWK (Frame Work Knitter), so not a match for cordwainer.

That is interesting and I have found on other relative's marriage certificates that if they were illegitimate their step father's surname is often changed to match their own even if they are registered on census records under their step father's surname so it is certainly plausible.
I have also found people changing professions a few times too like confectioner, beer house keeper, pawn dealer etc so maybe he was just doing something else???
Thanks for your reply :)
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #33 on: Friday 15 June 18 23:07 BST (UK) »
Interesting that George claims to be of full age - 21 or over - on marriage (1 August 1857).  If true, that makes his birthdate on or before 1 August 1836, so he'd be a couple of years older than most of his census entries would suggest.

That is interesting, as the census records are fairly consistent I am wondering if they fibbed when they got married about their ages (if that was easy to do in those days). Their first registered birth of a child was in 1860 so it is not likely they got married as a matter of urgency although perhaps she was expecting and sadly they lost it or maybe they were so in love they couldn't wait? I can't think of any other reason for it?!
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #34 on: Friday 15 June 18 23:10 BST (UK) »
Sadly, having a father named on a marriage certificate doesn't mean that it's true.

One of my ancestors named two different men on his two marriage certificates.  :-\

That is true. I have found the same with one of my relatives, Isaac Myers, on one certificate his father is called Benjamin and on the other Isaac although he did say both were sealing wax makers which is quite specific but it does throw a spanner in the works!
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Re: Trying to find parents of George Palmer b1838 Notts
« Reply #35 on: Friday 15 June 18 23:11 BST (UK) »
George noted as full age on the marriage in August 1857, yet on the 1861 census is 22.

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That is interesting isn't it, his age on the census records remain consistent but he seems to have fibbed a bit on his marriage licence!!!
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Palmer (Nottingham)
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Hope (Oxford/Kidlington/Woodstock)
Williams (Yorkshire/Conisborough)
Draper (Bow Brickhill)
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