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Help please with reading a parish record
« on: Monday 04 June 18 01:35 BST (UK) »
Hello

I would be grateful for help in reading this entry in the baptism records of Ardfield & Rathberry parish:

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634436#page/131/mode/1up

The entry is for 23 January 1862. The child's name starts with J, & the parents are Cor_? Leary & Ellen Calnan, [place] C M , sponsors J _? Calnan & Margt Leary

Can anyone help with the forenames of the child and father? And does anyone familiar with the area & register know what location is intended by C M?

I have tried to attach a snip but it may not work.

Thanks for any help.

G.S.


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Re: Help please with reading a parish record
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 June 18 03:03 BST (UK) »
I think the mystery first names are Jn (for John or Jonathan) and Corley

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Re: Help please with reading a parish record
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 June 18 03:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks Philip, appreciate another eye looking at this.

I was hoping for abbreviations of Jeremiah & Cornelius, but thought the superscript for the J name looked very like a 'd' or an 'o'.  If an 'o' it probably is short for John, as you suggest.

Added: Cornelius O'Leary & Ellen Callanan had a (or another?) son named John born 30 Dec 1866 & Familysearch gives the place of registration as Common Mountain, Ardfield, Clonakilty. So that possibly explains the C M.

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Re: Help please with reading a parish record
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 June 18 05:43 BST (UK) »
The date to me looks more like 28 with the top loop not fully formed.  While the other figures 8  on same page look clearer, if you go to June page, between dates, 27 and 29, there is another somewhat the same.   (although I realise it's the names you are querying)

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Re: Help please with reading a parish record
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 June 18 05:58 BST (UK) »
Yes, you are quite right Conahy calling. I had written 28 in my notes but for some reason I typed 23. Thanks for picking it up.

I don't think this is the family I am looking for - ah well!

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Re: Help please with reading a parish record
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 June 18 07:16 BST (UK) »
Cornelius O'Leary & Ellen Callinan had a daughter Mary in the same parish on the 26 Feb 1870
the address has a blob of ink on it but could read Mountain
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m5p/

Irish Genealogy transcribes the father in the baptism above as Corby
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m5q/

and another son Corby on the 20 April 1858
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m5r/

Margaret 24 June 1860 father is Cor this time
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m5s/

Edited to add, finally found John, not 30 Dec 1866
1 Jan 1867
and for once the writing is fairly clear.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m5t/

There could be more, I'm using the transcripts on Irish Genealogy
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

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Re: Help please with reading a parish record
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 June 18 07:22 BST (UK) »
Cornelius O'Leary & Ellen Callanan had a (or another?) son named John born 30 Dec 1866 & Familysearch gives the place of registration as Common Mountain, Ardfield, Clonakilty.

Could these possibly link to my elusive Irish relatives?
My several-times great grandparents George CRISPIN and Ellen CALANAN married on 9 Dec 1812 in Clonakilty, had four known children born 1814-1826, then the family moved to South London before 1841.

What are the odds?

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Re: Help please with reading a parish record
« Reply #7 on: Monday 04 June 18 08:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much Sinann. The couple had another child Daniel and the place of residence is clearly given as C Mountain (although when I googled it seems to be called Mountain Common, not the other way around). I found that on the images - I canít seem to pass the test to prove I am not a robot to view the transcripts though appreciate they  would be faster. If I am a robot I need a bit of maintenance work, maybe some new specs.

I had a look at later OíLeary families in this location in the 1901 census and they seem to have occupations such as farmer, train driver, smith etc. I donít think this Cornelius and Ellen belong to my lot.

I am looking for the sea faring OíLeary family from Ring, who you pointed me to some time ago, Sinann. I can see them in later census entries and they are still seamen but my Jeremiah is in England by then. I havenít been able to find church entries for the Ring family so have been sporadically prowling around nearby parishes hoping to spot them.

Hello again Philip. The registers for Ardfield and Rathberry are oozing with Callanans and variants thereof, but then all the Co. Cork parishes seem to have the same surnames repeating within communities.

I have no doubt I have ties to the area - my DNA matches are full of the names I see on this message board (McCarthy, Collins, Driscoll and others). But I need my paper records  ???

Thanks again to you both.

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Re: Help please with reading a parish record
« Reply #8 on: Monday 04 June 18 09:36 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much Sinann. The couple had another child Daniel and the place of residence is clearly given as C Mountain (although when I googled it seems to be called Mountain Common, not the other way around). I found that on the images - I canít seem to pass the test to prove I am not a robot to view the transcripts though appreciate they  would be faster. If I am a robot I need a bit of maintenance work, maybe some new specs.

I had a look at later OíLeary families in this location in the 1901 census and they seem to have occupations such as farmer, train driver, smith etc. I donít think this Cornelius and Ellen belong to my lot.

I am looking for the sea faring OíLeary family from Ring, who you pointed me to some time ago, Sinann. I can see them in later census entries and they are still seamen but my Jeremiah is in England by then. I havenít been able to find church entries for the Ring family so have been sporadically prowling around nearby parishes hoping to spot them.

Hello again Philip. The registers for Ardfield and Rathberry are oozing with Callanans and variants thereof, but then all the Co. Cork parishes seem to have the same surnames repeating within communities.

I have no doubt I have ties to the area - my DNA matches are full of the names I see on this message board (McCarthy, Collins, Driscoll and others). But I need my paper records  ???

Thanks again to you both.


Just a matter of clicking on all photos that have cars etc...

If you solve it you get a list of records

Right Click
on maybe 5 or 6 and select   Open in New Tab

then you can view them rather than just doing one at a time and returning to results