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Need help to read the occuption on this document
« on: Monday 04 June 18 07:16 BST (UK) »
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I was wondering if someone could tell the occupation on this document, I can read the word locksmith but the other words are baffling me, I think it is something ........... man , any help would be appreciated

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Re: Need help to read the occuption on this document
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 June 18 07:26 BST (UK) »
I read it as Locksmith Journeyman

(a Journeyman has completed an apprenticeship, but has not yet qualified as a Master craftsman).

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 June 18 07:41 BST (UK) »
I read it as Locksmith Journeyman too.

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 June 18 07:43 BST (UK) »
Rhododenron and philipsearching, thank you ever so much, can I ask what a journeyman is please
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 June 18 07:55 BST (UK) »
Rhododenron and philipsearching, thank you ever so much, can I ask what a journeyman is please
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There were three stages in a craftsman's working life:
Apprentice (to a master craftsman) usually 7 years starting as a boy - to learn the trade
Journeyman - has completed his apprenticeship and can earn a living
Master - his work is judged to be of high enough quality for him to be recognised as a master craftsman by the relevant Trade Guild.  He can charge higher prices and take on apprentices (for a fee!).

Only a minority of Journeymen attained the rank of Master Craftsman.

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 June 18 07:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you kindly for clarifying this

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 June 18 08:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you kindly for clarifying this

You are very welcome.

As a "fun fact" to impress family and friends, you could tell them the origin of the word masterpiece.
Originally, a masterpiece was a piece made by a Journeyman which he submitted to the Trade Guild so they could examine it and decide if it demonstrated high enough skill and quality to make the applicant worthy to be admitted to the Guild as a Master.  A Master Piece.

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 04 June 18 08:39 BST (UK) »
And a fact relating to the name 'Journeyman':  it comes from the French 'jour' (day),  because Journeymen were commonly paid by the day for their work.

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 04 June 18 09:45 BST (UK) »
philipsearching and Greensleeves, again thank you both