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George Campbell will 1674
« on: Friday 08 June 18 15:59 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help me to decipher this will. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you, Polly

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Re: George Campbell will 1674
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 June 18 22:57 BST (UK) »
I have made a start, but as you have scanned and posted the whole page, the image is not of high enough resolution to zoom in enough to make out exact letters in some of the words - it becomes pixalated very quickly.
What I suggest you do is crop the image - say the first paragraph, and post that on its own, getting it as near to the 500 KB limit allowed on here.
Then do the same with the second paragraph. etc
On the second page, only the first paragraph relates to George Campbell.

Testament datives were concerned with, mostly, money, and the second and third paragraphs will be to do with any debts he owes, and any owing to him.
It is unlikey you will find much genealogical information in it - although if it is your ancestor, it will be very interesting all the same.

By the way, you have posted an entire document, which is contrary to Rootschat policy - it contravenes copyright I believe. You may get it removed by the moderators! Reason number 2  to do a paragraph at a time.

The testament dative and Inventare of the goodis
debts and sommes of money quhilles porteint to umquille
George Campbell in over ? within the paroche of L?
the tyme of his deceas who deceast in the moneth of may 1679
which was fathfullie maid and givin up be Johne Campbell ?
? to the defunct and exe(cutor) dative surrogat In place of Johne
James (?) pro(curat)or fiscall of the commissariiat of Glasgow wha is
exe dative ......
         the defuncts goods geir & debtis ........


quhilles - which
porteint - pertain, relate
umquille - late, deceased
paroche - parish
wha - who
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: George Campbell will 1674
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 June 18 06:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for looking at this document. I will amend the image and re post it.
I will bear in mind the copyright policy.
Many thanks
Polly

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Re: George Campbell will 1674
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 June 18 06:58 BST (UK) »
Hi goldie 61

I have amended the photos of the will  and I am attaching them
Thank you once again
Polly


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Re: George Campbell will 1674
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 June 18 08:40 BST (UK) »
Image 1:
The image is still only 168 KB. I guess that’s the most you could get? Can you scan at any higher resolution?

Still can’t quite make out where George Campbell came from - “in over  muh(?)ir within the parochene of Loud.... ?”
What county are we in? Ayrshire? Then it could be Loudoun, or some such spelling.

The start of line 5 I think is ‘which are fathfullie maid....’ instead of ‘which was’.

It says ‘sone’ after John Campbell at the end of line 5, and then ‘law’ ..... and the first word on line 6 is ‘full’ - so John is the lawfull son to George. (Took me ages to twig that one!)

End of line 6 and start of Line 7 looks like ‘Johne Johnes’ is the pro(curat)or fiscall of the commissariat of Glagow
wha is exe(cutor) dative
decernit to the defuncts goods geir & debtis Be decreit of the
Commissar of Glasgow his deput upon the twentie twa diy of august
1674 years as the samen bears


decreit - decree
twa - two

I'll have a look at the others later - dinner calls!
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: George Campbell will 1674
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 June 18 10:25 BST (UK) »
Image 3.   Debties awand owt
Item ther wes debted and awand be the defunct tyme of his
deceas forsaid the debtis and somes of money following to the persons
efter mentionat viz in the first to the commissar of Glasgow of bygayn
rent  iijC vlib vijs viijd then to the Earle of Lowdowne of
bygayne @rent iijC Lxxv lib item to Johne aird In Clan -
foord by band Lxxiiijlib xiijS iiijd then to the bairnes of
umquille Alex(and)er Bitchmont  by band xxxxvlib viS viijd then to
Johne Jonnesone In newtowne by band xxxvlib vjS viijd
    Summa of the debts awand out          vijCxxvlib xiijS



be - by
awand - owing
bygayne - past
@rent  - annualrent
band - bond

lib = libra = pounds
S = shillings
d = pence

vijCxxvlib xijS jd = 700 and 25 pounds, 13 shillings and 1 penny.
A tidy sum in 1674.

So it does look as if it’s Loudoun in Ayrshire. I know that ‘Newtown’ was a part of Strathaven, which was Loudoun parish. I have ancestors there - unfortunately none of the people mentioned here!
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: George Campbell will 1674
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 June 18 10:47 BST (UK) »
Image 2 is the inventory

Item the defunct had perteining and belonging to him the tyme of his
deceas forsaid the goodis and gear under w..... of the pryce as follows
viz



Just quickly I can see
‘bolls of corne’, ‘boll of bear in the barne’
‘ane meir and foall; ‘ane whyt hors’
‘seventie old sheip & twelve Lambes’
‘threttie four kyne’

Summa of the Inventar     vjCLvijlib
The line underneath says
‘Nae  debts awand in’.

So nobody owed him money, but he owed quite a lot - mainly in rent.

Boll - a measure of weight = generally about 140 lbs
Bear - a hardy from of barley
kyne - cattle

Sounds as if it should be 'goods and gear under written' but a can't see the letters for 'written'.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: George Campbell will 1674
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 June 18 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hi goldie61

Thank you for your help regarding this document.
The document relates to George Campbell of Overmuir in the parish of Loudoun in Ayrshire. He had a son called John Campbell who also lived in Overmuir, Loudoun, Ayrshire.
John Campbell married Janet McKe of Overmuir . They had a daughter Mary who married William Aytoun in 1718 in Galston, Ayrshire.

I am attaching the first paragraph of the first page with better resolution and also attaching the first paragraph of the second page.
Thank you once again for your kind attention.
Polly

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Re: George Campbell will 1674
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 June 18 14:22 BST (UK) »
The earls of Loudon were also Campbell's.

Skoosh.