Author Topic: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??  (Read 4569 times)

Offline Gerryk

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 135
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 July 18 10:39 BST (UK) »
Hey Heywood, Thank you so much. I am certain that you are right, since the name Crosdell has shown up in other DNA matches I have, so this seems to be the family alright. My evidence for James and Ellen was flimsy enough. However, the Crosdell connection (modern spelling Croasdell, one of whom I have been in contact with), is a sure indicator of a line worth pursuing. So far, I have been detecting in the dark, but I can now follow your lead with a lot more confidence. I wouldn't be too worried about the gap in birth years, given the famine etc..
So, again, many thanks.
Gerry
Kane, Cleary, Kennedy, Flynn,

Offline hallmark

  • ~
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ****
  • Posts: 17,525
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 July 18 10:42 BST (UK) »
Why not disclose all you know??

You never mentioned Crosdell so how are people to know they are on right track?
Give a man a record and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to research, and you feed him for a lifetime.

Offline heywood

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 40,866
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 July 18 10:44 BST (UK) »
I was thinking there may be more children that hadn’t yet been found in that register but as you say there could be other reasons.

Great that you have the Crisdell name connection  :)
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Gerryk

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 135
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 08:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Heywood,

Before I sign off on this thread, I want to thank you again. That name Crosdell was a large key.
In a small DNA match circle, I have been in touch with two people, a Croasdell and another guy. This other guy's grandfather was in Artane Industrial School and he has no idea of his grandfather's prehistory. He was quite excited to find a DNA match (3rd cousins). We know we are linked through the young boy in Artane and his parentage. He has been over from abroad to meet with me, but we reached a blank wall, really, with too many possibilities and not enough information.
However, now, given the size of the DNA circle, and the fact that the three of us are now matched (the Croasdell is a distant relation, but it is the name that matters, an unusual name), I can narrow the other guy's family link down to this Kennedy family, and the three children, one of whom is my great grandfather.
Where on earth did you unearth that information? I took a look through the NLI registers and it is slow, painstaking work.
I noticed that an Ellen Crosdell died a spinster in Portumna in 1910. If that is our girl, that narrows it even further. After her death, an Edward Crosdell (in the 1911 census) was in the same street, possibly the same house. I am working on the assumption that he was a son of James, since I know all of my own g grandfather's tree (at least that part of it that has been acknowledged. I do have a question mark - the mother of the man in Artane gave her name as Mary Martin, which could have been an alias. We just don't know yet.)
All ongoing work. However, thank you again - that Crosdell link is gold dust!
Gerry
Kane, Cleary, Kennedy, Flynn,


Offline heywood

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 40,866
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 08:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Gerry,
A couple of the subscription sites show indexes to the parish records so it is a bit easier to find people.

I can’t see Edward and Ellen Crosdell in deaths and census  ???

Can you give a link please?

Heywood
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline dathai

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,078
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 08:37 BST (UK) »
Have you contacted the Christian Brothers re the lad in Artane ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=677364.0

Offline Gerryk

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 135
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 08:38 BST (UK) »
Heywood, the surname was Kennedy, not Crosdell. Crosdell was Ellen's mother.
Kane, Cleary, Kennedy, Flynn,

Offline Gerryk

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 135
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 08:40 BST (UK) »
Yes, we were in touch with Artane and they were very helpful. Both the lad's parents were dead by the time he was sent there, but I can find no record of their birth, marriage or death. The boy himself was born in a lying-in house in Dublin, where facts were often stretched beyond limit. When he was older, he never wanted to speak about his parents, and didn't.
I am hoping that at some stage we will be able to make both ends meet, by searching from the DNA angle (which we now know to be this Kennedy family in Portumna) and the knowledge that we have from Artane.
Gerry
Kane, Cleary, Kennedy, Flynn,

Offline Gerryk

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 135
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Martin Kennedy Tuam born 1845 ??
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 25 July 18 08:51 BST (UK) »
Why not disclose all you know??

You never mentioned Crosdell so how are people to know they are on right track?

I didn't know about Crosdell until yesterday.
Kane, Cleary, Kennedy, Flynn,