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Offline Christine53

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Re: samuel bartram
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 18 August 18 17:26 BST (UK) »
I don't subscribe to ScotlandsPeople but there is a marriage for a Samuel Bartram and Lucy Woodhouse in 1878 in Anderston and one death for a Samuel Bartram in 1899 in Cambuslang.

A look at this marriage record should clarify the situation.
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Re: samuel bartram
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 18 August 18 17:32 BST (UK) »
Hi , thanks for all your replies , im even more confused now , yeah i also thought lucys death was abt1878, but glasgow  :o

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Re: samuel bartram
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 18 August 18 17:38 BST (UK) »
Probate for Lucy Bartram :

Death date 10 Nov 1878 at Willow Lane , Norwich, probate granted at Norwich to husband Samuel Bartram , tailor of 9 Lumsden Street, Old Dumbarton Road, Glasgow.

That doesn't make sense ! Samuel and Lucy Bartram are on the 1881 and 1891 census at Old Dumbarton Road , Glasgow  ???

It would make sense if Lucy 1 died in a carer's or relative's house in Norwich, then Samuel moved up to Scotland and married Lucy 2.

If the residents of Willow Lane, Norwich can be found on the 1881 census there might be a recognisable surname, or the death cert would give the name of the person reporting the death.

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Re: samuel bartram
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 19 August 18 12:26 BST (UK) »
Pity there wasn't a number of Willow Lane and a particular area

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Re: samuel bartram
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 19 August 18 12:55 BST (UK) »
I decided to take a look at the Scottish marriage:

Samuel Bartram 37 tailor cutter , widower, father Samuel Bartram iron moulder (deceased )
of 9 Lumsden Street,Glasgow                    mother Margaret Bartram , maiden surname Douglas

Lucy Woodhouse 26                                  father Elias Woodhouse railway labourer
of same address                                       mother Sarah Woodhouse ( no maiden surname given )

married 30 Nov 1878 at 8 ? Street , Glasgow by Declaration in the presence of Charles O'Kelly tailor cutter

The death certificate states :

Samuel Bartram
married 1: Lucy Neve
married 2 : Lucy Woodhouse
 died 8 Dec 1899 at Cambuslang , parents given as in Marriage Certificate.
 Informant : Daisy Bartram , daughter , present at death.
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Re: samuel bartram
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 19 August 18 13:30 BST (UK) »
Samuel Bartram D Q 1841 Aylsham vol 13 page 11 mother's maiden Daglass ( from GRO website)

From the Norwich Bishop's Transcripts :

Samuel Bartram single man of this parish
Margaret Daglass single woman of this parish
married by banns 5 Aug 1833 in the Parish of Saxthorpe , Norfolk
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Re: samuel bartram
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 19 August 18 15:01 BST (UK) »
Hi, wow thank you so much for your help
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Re: samuel bartram
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 19 August 18 17:24 BST (UK) »
There is a whole family tree on Ancestry if you are interested

Samuel's mother is on 1881 as a widow with a niece

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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