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Re: Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 28 August 18 23:37 BST (UK) »

Perhaps he had been to the park in Denmark and brought a lot home with him? :D ;D :D


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Re: Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 30 August 18 22:02 BST (UK) »
Sir Laurence's second wife Juliana Bretton, daughter of Thomas Bretton and his wife Agnes, was still alive by 1515-1518:

Laurence Aylemer, knight, alderman of London, and Julyan, his wife.
Date: 1515-1518
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7468921

By the 10th of October 1523 it appears he had married a previously unmentioned third wife, Agnes Tolle of London, widow of John Toll.

Agnes Tolle of London, widow, now married to Lawrence Aylmer, knight.
Date: 1523 Oct 10
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9554321

By 1529-1532 something deeply tragical had befallen Sir Laurence:

Short title: Aylemer v Carter.
Plaintiffs: Laurence Aylemer, knight, prisoner in Ludgate.
Defendants: Thomas Carter, citizen and draper of London.
Subject: Extent of complainant's lands in London, and seizure of his cottages and gardens in Deptford, on an orphanage-bond for Thomas Toll, son of John Toll, whose widow Agnes complainant married.
London, Kent.
2 documents
Note: Mutilated.
Date: 1529-1532
Held by: The National Archives, Kew

There seems to be uniform agreement that he was in fact completely innocent.

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Re: Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 20:37 BST (UK) »
Sir Laurence Aylmer also had a son named William:

'Laurence Aylmer knight and and William esquire his son'
1512 - surrender Holte Gyrmans etc Note admitted to the tenement heriot nothing lease fealty - At this court come John Will’ms and Richard Playstowe tenants of the lord and report a certain surrender§ made to them out of court, according to the custom of the manor, by Laurence Aylmer knight and William Aylmer esquire his son to the use of John Holt and his heirs, of one tenement with garden adjoining and eight acres land late in the tenure of Alice Langton widow; and of one garden and a half-acre of land late in the tenure of John Dounton; and of a half-acre and one rood of land late in the tenure of Thomas Leycetter; and of one toft with curtilage and 3 acres land formerly Swaynes; and of one cottage with 2½ acres formerly Peter Popesent and later William Davy and Blanche his wife; and also of one garden [and] 2½ acres of land formerly Peter Popesent later John Dounton; which all and singular the premises with their pertinents were late in the tenure of the said Alice Langton widow. By which surrender nothing falls due to the lord for heriot because they have no animals. The which John Holte being present here in court takes of the lord all and singular the premises according to the custom of the manor. And later here in the same court comes a certain Lionel Dounston son and heir of John Dounton and Alice his wife who lately laid claim to all and singular the premises. And now in open court he surrenders, remits and releases all his right title and interest of and in all the aforesaid lands and tenements with their pertinents to the aforementioned John Holt and his heirs forever being in his full possession. And he does the lord fealty.
http://mertonhistoricalsociety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/1512.pdf

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http://mertonhistoricalsociety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/BL56045.pdf)

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Re: Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 16:34 BST (UK) »
Primary source which mentions that Sir Laurence Aylmer's father was called Thomas Aylmer:

'gentleman Thomas Aylmer and Laurence Aylmer. his son'
D/P 32/25/36
Deed: Grant Thomas Laurence and John Terlyng of Harlow to Edward Buggys and Robert Buggys his son, gentleman Thomas Aylmer and Laurence Aylmer. his son, John Wright and Thomas Wright his son, John Spycer and William Spycer his son, Thomas Lawrence son of Thomas Lawrence, Thomas Lawrence son of Robert Lawrence, Robert Brangwyn, Lawrence Haver, George Tanbridge, Thomas Patryk, Henry Grene the younger, Richard Waylett, Thomas Herdy and John Thurgood All the lands in Great Parndon with which they and John Symond, Robt. Tyars, Thomas Laurence the elder, John Weylett the elder, Thomas Sampson, Hugh Dobbis, [Jo]hn Grene, Henry Algore of Great Parndon, William Clerk, citizen and s[alt]er of London, and John Algore, all now dead, were enfeoffed by Thomas C[lyfford], William [Sandes and Reginald Sandes, gen]tlemen Note: this charter is eaten away in the left centre, and one of the two seals is gone  deed: Grant Thomas Laurence and John Terlyng of Harlow to Edward Buggys and Robert Buggys his son, gentleman Thomas Aylmer and Laurence Aylmer. his son, John Wright and Thomas Wright his son, John Spycer and William Spycer his son, Thomas Lawrence son of Thomas Lawrence, Thomas Lawrence son of Robert Lawrence, Robert Brangwyn, Lawrence Haver, George Tanbridge, Thomas Patryk, Henry Grene the younger, Richard Waylett, Thomas Herdy and John Thurgood All the lands in Great Parndon with which they and John Symond, Robt. Tyars, Thomas Laurence the elder, John Weylett the elder, Thomas Sampson, Hugh Dobbis, [Jo]hn Grene, Henry Algore of Great Parndon, William Clerk, citizen and s[alt]er of London, and John Algore, all now dead, were enfeoffed by Thomas C[lyfford], William [Sandes and Reginald Sandes, gen]tlemen Note: this charter is eaten away in the left centre, and one of the two seals is gone
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Dates of creation 4 July 1513
Scope and content Grant

Thomas Laurence and John Terlyng of Harlow to Edward Buggys and Robert Buggys his son, gentleman Thomas Aylmer and Laurence Aylmer. his son, John Wright and Thomas Wright his son, John Spycer and William Spycer his son, Thomas Lawrence son of Thomas Lawrence, Thomas Lawrence son of Robert Lawrence, Robert Brangwyn, Lawrence Haver, George Tanbridge, Thomas Patryk, Henry Grene the younger, Richard Waylett, Thomas Herdy and John Thurgood
All the lands in Great Parndon with which they and John Symond, Robt. Tyars, Thomas Laurence the elder, John Weylett the elder, Thomas Sampson, Hugh Dobbis, [Jo]hn Grene, Henry Algore of Great Parndon, William Clerk, citizen and s[alt]er of London, and John Algore, all now dead, were enfeoffed by Thomas C[lyfford], William [Sandes and Reginald Sandes, gen]tlemen
Note: this charter is eaten away in the left centre, and one of the two seals is gone
https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/SeaxPam/ViewCatalogue.aspx?ID=29990
http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Result_Details.aspx?DocID=30194

The earliest reference I can find to 'Lawrence Aylmer, Draper' being the 'sonne of Thomas Aylmer, of Ellesnam in Essex' is in the book The Survey of London: Contayning the Orignall, Increase, Moderne Estate, and Government of that City by John Stow from 1633.

Dr. Fuller refers to him in his book in The history of the worthies of England by Thomas Fuller as 'Laurence Aylmer, son of Thomas Aylmer, of Allesham, Draper, 1507.'

The Boyds Inhabitants of London Image at FindMyPast describes him as 'Thomas Aylmer of Elsham Essex'.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBOR/BIL/SOG31/0209&parentid=GBPRS/BIL/00179492


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Re: Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 16:42 BST (UK) »
Sir Laurence also possibly had a son named Thomas, though I can't find a primary source for this. It is stated on a Boyds Inhabitants of London Image at FindMyPast. I have no idea what the reliability of this record is. It does not mention two other children that we know that Sir Laurence had, Anthony (d.1518) and William. It does however mention 'Alice mar Jeffery Cobbe'.

Thomas citizen draper free 1521 son of Laurence
               1529 at Newcastle
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBOR/BIL/SOG31/0209&parentid=GBPRS/BIL/00179492

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Re: Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 16:59 BST (UK) »
Sir Laurence also possibly had a son named Thomas, though I can't find a primary source for this. It is stated on a Boyds Inhabitants of London Image at FindMyPast. I have no idea what the reliability of this record is.

Percival Boyd was a highly reputed genealogist and closely connected with the Drapers’ Company. He drew on a wide range of primary sources for London, including wills, parish registers, marriage licences and livery company records, in this case probably those of the Drapers’ Company.

You can search Drapers’ apprenticeships and freedoms here ...
http://www.londonroll.org/event/?company=drp&event_id=DREB1246

ADDED - for your information, this blog post from the SoG gives you some essential facts about Boyd and his Inhabitants of London
http://www.sog.org.uk/news/article/percival-boyds-legacy-still-gives-us-an-essential-resource-boyds-inhabitant

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Re: Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 September 18 21:52 BST (UK) »
Oh, thank you so much, Bookbox!!! :) :D :) This is absolutely fantastic!

It sounds very silly now, but something I once read somehow lead me to believe that Boyd's was some sort of jewellers store, and that the information they had was the result of marketing research in the 1800's.

But then I found some records of theirs concerning earlier times, and marketing research in the 1400's sounded a bit wild!

I have no idea what I could have possibly read to have led me this conclusion, maybe I dreamt, but I am very happy to have to learned all of this!

Now if only I could find back to those records I dismissed concerning that other thing I was researching, lololol ::)

Thank you again, so much! Your help is invaluable, as always :) :) :)

And there we have the actual primary record for Sir Laurence having a son named Thomas!!! This is wonderful! :) :D :)

The reference Boyd makes to '1529 at Newcastle' must be this:

Reference: C 131/112/18
Description: Debtor: John Dent, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne [Northumberland], gentleman.
Creditor: James Lawson, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne [Northumberland], merchant.
Amount: £40.
Before whom: Thomas Seymour, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 28/01/1529
First term: 29/09/1529
Last term: 29/09/1529
Writ to: Sheriff of Newcastle-upon-Tyne
Sent by: Chancery.
Endorsement: The reply of Roger Midforth, Sheriff of Newcastle-upon-Tyne: the execution of this writ appears in the inquisition.
Note: Inquisition and return: Date to be returned: 27/01/1531. Attached is: (a) The inquisition made on Mon.,10/12/1530, before Roger Midforth, Sheriff of Newcastle. The jury consists of John Morpeth, merchant, Oswald Chapman, merchant, Thomas Aylmer {Aylemere}, merchant, Richard Anderson, merchant, John Urde, merchant, William Nanson, merchant, a master-mariner, a draper, a capper, a yeoman, a dyer, a butcher, and a smith. They say that at the time of the inquisition Robert Brandling and William Carr, merchants, were seised of seven messuages, two mills, and 15 acres of pasture, in two closes in Newcastle, to the use of John Dent {Dente} and Katherine his wife, in the right of Katherine, worth £9 16s. 8d. a year. Three other feoffees were seised at the time of the inquisition, of 19 messuages in Newcastle, to the use of John and Katherine for their lives, worth £5 18s. 10d. John Dent had no goods or chattels there. (b) A rental of the lands and tenements, named above, worth £9 16s. 8d., and belonging to John Dent and his wife. On the dorse is another rental of lands and tenements, worth £10 14s. 6d.
Date: 1530 Nov 6
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9538544

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Re: Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 20 September 18 21:55 BST (UK) »
I am wondering if the below is either him or Sir Laurence's brother Thomas. The connection to Henry L'Estrange, his wife Catherine, the daughter of Roger Drury and sister of Robert Drury, all of whom we know belonged to the circle of Edmund Aylmer and his former wife Johanne/Johan/Jane Curson, making it likely that we are talking about a member of our Aylmer family.

EXCURSIONS 1997 Report and notes on some findings
The medieval lords of Shelley were largely non-resident: the Tatteshalls of Tatteshall, Lincs. and Buckenham Castle, Norfolk, and their co-heirs (Cailys, Cliftons, Dribys, Orbys, Bernakes, Cromwells). The manor seems to have been sold after the death of Sir John Clifton of Buckenham in 1447 (perhaps coincidentally,his wife, Joane Thorpe, was Sir Philip Tilney's great-aunt). The manor was then held by Robert Harleston (attainted 1462) and was granted to Richard, Duke of Gloucester in 1471. Towards the end of the 15th century it belonged to John King, Citizen and Draper of London. His widow Alice married John Timperley of Ipswich and died in 1485 (her will proved 1487, PC.C., 5 Mulles). John King's son William was dead by 1485 and the heir to Shelley was William's son John, then aged under twenty-four. 265 EXCURSIONS This John King married Rose, the daughter of Sir Edmund jenney of Knodishall. She later married Thomas Aylmer of Polstead and together they sold Shelley in 1517, though Rose retained a life annuity payable out ofthe manor (mentioned in Sir Philip Tilney's will).
http://suffolkinstitute.pdfsrv.co.uk/customers/Suffolk%20Institute/2014/01/10/Volume%20XXXIX%20Part%202%20(1998)_Excursions%201997%20C%20Paine_249%20to%20275.pdf

We find a suit amongst the Early Chancery Proceedings by Nicholas Pike, described as of Colchester, against John Twyer and Alice his wife, niece of the plaintiff, for "falsely noising" that this manor was entailed.' John L'Estrange died 30th April, 1467,' without issue, and Henry L'Estrange his brother succeeded. He married Catherine, daughter of Roger Drury, of Hawstead, and died 25th Nov. 1485,* seised of manors in Pakenham and Stowlangtoft, as well as of this manor. The Kings owned Shelley Hall between the Cliftons and the Tylneys, actually residing in the hall, but whether they held the manor at any time is doubtful. John King, described as of Shelley, gent., in 1493 married Rose, daughter of Sir Edmund Jenney, of Knodishall, and there was formerly in Shelley church a brass for "William King Arm. fil. Joh. King de hujus Ville 1500."

In 1510 the manor appears to have been in Edward Comwallis, who died 3rd Sept. that year, leaving William his brother and heir.' In 1517 we meet with a fine of the manor levied by Sir John Bourchier, Lord Berners, and others against Thomas Eylmer and Rose his wife. It includes tenements also in Leyham, Hadleigh, Polsted, Edwardeston, Raydon, and Stoke juxta Nayland.

The manor subsequently vested in Sir Philip Tilney, Knt.
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924092579592#page/n89/search/Knodishall

Polstead in Suffolk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polstead

Rose Jenney was born in 1474, according to A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland by John Burke.