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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #27 on: Friday 31 August 18 20:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much, all of you!!! :) :D :) HD, this is wonderful work! And the extra information is really valuable!

I think we have between us almost certainly worked out a complete family tree :) :) :)

Robert Aylmer, of Norwich, Notary in 1422.

His son, Richard Aylmer, Grocer (d.1494).

His son, Robert Aylmer (d.1493), Sheriff of Norwich in 1471, Alderman of Norwich in 1480, Mayor in 1481 and 1492. Married to Elizabeth and had by her two sons, Richard and Thomas, and a daughter, Cecile. After his death Elizabeth was involved in a suit with Sir William Knyvett - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Knyvett

His son, Richard Aylmer (d.1514), Grocer, one of the two Sheriffs of Norwich in 1501, Mayor in 1511. Married to Joan (still alive in 1514).

According to this book: https://archive.org/stream/miscellaneagenea4191bann#page/n49/search/Aylmer, the English and Irish Aylmers sprung from the same family and remained close. This ties in with John Strype's description of John Aylmer's coat of arms as 'argent, a cross sable, between four choughs of the same', which is the coat of arms of the Irish Aylmer family.
https://archive.org/stream/historicalcollec00stryuoft#page/2/search/crest

This same book also gives me the first attempt of a family tree of the olden Aylmers that I have seen:

Family Tree of Aylmers
https://archive.org/stream/miscellaneagenea4191bann#page/n55/search/Aylmer
 
In 1425, around the same time that we find a Richard Aylmer in Norwich, we find a Thomas Aylmer and Alice his wife in Essex:
http://esah1852.org.uk/images/pdf/ffines/F1400000.pdf

The start of these two branches of the family from the same family tree?

Thank you so much, everybody, again!!! :) :D :)

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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 01 September 18 09:21 BST (UK) »
"Does anyone know where Helmyngton might be?"

Proving somewhat elusive!
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/search?query=helmyngton
Only Nos. 2 and 3 can be viewed.

Checked out Helmingham (in case it might originally have been called Helmyngton) but has been known as Helminghham since at least the Domesday Book. 


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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 01 September 18 09:35 BST (UK) »
There was a Helmington Hall, Hunwick, Durham

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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 01 September 18 10:13 BST (UK) »
Thos must be  the same Thomas Aylmer in Essex and Alice, his wife, who was his administratrix in 1430.

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no677/bCP40no677dorses/IMG_1570.htm
Easter term,1430, third entry:
Essex. Robert Huthom; Alice, his wife, administratrix of Thomas Aylmer, versus John Cokstone, of Canefeld, tanner; Robert Lamberd, of King's Hatfleld, butcher; Robert Broke, of Great Canefeld, tanner; John Jerdevyle, of Machyng, laborer. Debt.
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs


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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 01 September 18 22:12 BST (UK) »
Yes, Helmyngton is proving very elusive indeed! :) :) :)

There was a Helmington Hall, Hunwick, Durham

There is also a Helmington Row in Durham.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmington_Row

Following the link you posted, I saw Helmyngton, co. Suffolk, manor, 68
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/search?query=helmyngton

There appears also to have been a Helmyngton of Helmington Church in Suffolk.
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924031319944/cu31924031319944_djvu.txt

Thos must be  the same Thomas Aylmer in Essex and Alice, his wife, who was his administratrix in 1430.

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no677/bCP40no677dorses/IMG_1570.htm
Easter term,1430, third entry:
Essex. Robert Huthom; Alice, his wife, administratrix of Thomas Aylmer, versus John Cokstone, of Canefeld, tanner; Robert Lamberd, of King's Hatfleld, butcher; Robert Broke, of Great Canefeld, tanner; John Jerdevyle, of Machyng, laborer. Debt.

I completely agree. Does this mean that Thomas Aylmer was dead by 1430? And that she had remarried Robert Huthom?

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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 02 September 18 05:49 BST (UK) »
Does this mean that Thomas Aylmer was dead by 1430? And that she had remarried Robert Huthom?

Yes to both questions.
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 02 September 18 16:09 BST (UK) »
Oh, thank you so much! :) :) :)

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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 00:44 BST (UK) »
Found an earlier Richard Aylmer, mercer, in 1403 and 1417. The father of Robert Aylmer, of Norwich, Notary in 1422?

Probably the same as Richard Aylemer of London, citizen and mercer, in 1412

Appointment of attorney
Reference: FC 94/L1/2/3
Title:   Appointment of attorney
Description: Richard Aylemer, mercer, William Ruston and Thomas Panter, citizens of London, appoint John Aylemer of Wilby attorney to negotiate with Richard Manshep of Worlingworth, and John his son and Geoffrey Esthawe of Wingfield
Date: 5 Nov. 1403
Held by: Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch, not available at The National Archives
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/4daab212-fb37-4954-8129-3d6458d8145b

Title:   Grant from Thomas Cotton and Thomas Panter, jnr., citizen of London, to Thomas Burgeys of Gretnerssh [Greatness] and Richard Marchall of Seal.
Description: Meadow called Childesmede at Childesbrigge in Seal abutting S. and W. on land of David Stidulf, N. on land of William Baker, E. on the King's highway; which meadow they held jointly with Robert Grafton, esq., Sir William Norhampton, clerk, and Richard Aylemer of London, citizen and mercer, by feoffment of Walter Wy of Kemsing and his son William Wy of London, citizen and mercer, by the name of all lands, tenements, rents and services which they (Walter and William) had in Seal and Kemsing.
Witnesses: William Fremelyn, Reginald Dyne, John Osbarn, John Fuller, Thomas Thebalde, John Melwer, William Othys.
Given at Seal.
Date: 26 Nov 1412
Held by: West Sussex Record Office, not available at The National Archives
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/3554d7c8-65df-435b-a9a1-75ecfd73bcd1

Conveyance
Reference: FC 94/L1/2/4
Title:   Conveyance Description: Richard Aylemer, mercer, William Ruston, Thomas Panter, citisens of London, and John Aylemer of Wilbey, to Richard Manshep of Worlingworth, and John son of Geoffrey Esthawe of Wingfield; one acre of meadow called Clyntmeadow, with appurtenances in Worlingworth
Date: 4 Nov. 1417
Held by: Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch, not available at The National Archives
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/b7d73570-9f59-4b2f-b882-7491e6823d65

Note of also the mention of John Aylmer of Wilby, attorney in the same documents in 1403 and 1417.

Could the Richard Aylmer, mercer, in 1403, be the Richard who is son of John Aylmer and Anne de Legh here?
https://archive.org/stream/miscellaneagenea4191bann#page/n55/search/Aylmer

John Aylmer of Wilby, attorney, could even be his father, the John who married Anne de Legh and fathered Philip, Walter and Roger and Richard Aylmer with her ...

(The Thomas Aylmer and Alice his wife in Essex 1425, Thomas dead and Alice remarried Huthom by 1430, could even be the Thomas Aylmer of Devonshire from that pedigree, the father of John and grandfather of Richard ...)

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Re: Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 06:11 BST (UK) »
Here are a some more Aylmers in Norfolk, in Common Pleas. Robert Aylmere win 1416 had property in Baconsthorp, about 20 miles north of Norwich. There was a Reginald Aylmer, of Baconsthorp in 1420. And there's a Walter Aylmere of Horsham, St Faith, a couple miles north of Norwich.

Easter term, 1416
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no621/bCP40no621dorses/IMG_1790.htm
d 1790, sixth entry:
Norf. Robert Aylmere versus John Wagestaf, of Baconnesthorp, yeoman. Trespass: breach of close belonging to Robert at Baconnesthorp.

Easter term, 1416
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no621/bCP40no621dorses/IMG_1401.htm
d 1401, fifth entry:
Norwich. Walter Aylmere, of Horsham St Faith, spicer; Robert Baroun, of Brokford, Suff, yeoman; Simon Clesse or Cleffe, of Bishops Lynne, dyer; John Bylman, of Wode Norton, yeoman, outlawed to answer Thomas Cok, of Norwich. Debt.

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no636/aCP40no636fronts/IMG_0713.htm
Hilary term 1420, f 713, 2nd entry:
Norf. Robert Brougham, prior of Holy Trinity Priory, Norwich, versus Reginald Aylmer, of Baconsthorp, yeoman. Debt of 20 pounds.
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs