Toal-Tole -Sloane family.

[tobyma123]

Hello all does anyone have connections to my great great grandfathers family Thomas Toal
sometimes Tole.
He trained as a vet at Edingburgh vets school early 1800's.
Married Selina or Lenny Macmaster her family Scots descent plantation people.
They travelled between Scotland and Northern ireland lived in county Down Newry area.
Donaghmore and Ardarrah.
All children baptised in church of Ireland from 1812 to 1835.
Sloane family connected to Toal had Scots connections.
Five of his sons emigrated to the USA between 1845-1855.
regards tobyma123

[BallyaltikilliganG]

no connection, but to trace the remaining family in Ireland please supply first name of children born in ireland
without that aid possible clues might be in
Ros Davies C Down website see http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/T/ToaTon.htm
Miss   Hannah   TOAL   .   Donaghmore   mother of Mary b. 13 Jul 1870   CR
John TOLLE .Donaghmore husband of Agnes Frizzle; father of Samuel b. 7 Oct 1870 CR
Joseph   TOLE   .   Donaghmore   married Hannagh Mulhollen 24 Oct 1845 at a Donaghmore Catholic Church   PR
Joseph   TOOL   .   Donaghmore   of Donaghmore townland; a member of Glenn Catholic Church; assisted with the site clearing for a new parochial house 8 Sep 1848   THTMB p28
Joseph   TOLE   .Donaghmore   a resident of Donaghmore townland in 1849   THTMB p33
Miss   Margaret   TOLLE/ TOLE / TOAL   .   Donaghmore   wife of Daniel Kennedy; mother of Edward b. 1871 & John b. 1872 & Francis b. 1874   CR
Peter   TOLE   .   Donaghmore   married Mary Ann Morgan 24 Jun 1847 at a Donaghmore Catholic Church   PR   
Peter   TOLE   junior    Donaghmore   a resident of Frankfort in Maddydrumbrist townland townland in 1849 ; a cottier    THTMB p31

Ardarrah
I think is Ardarragh   Newry civil parish, a townland 5km W of Rathfriland.
too many to paste from Ros Davies

http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/Mc/McMaster.htm
Miss   Ellen McMASTER   .   Newry   daughter of John McMaster; aka widow Bruce; aged 30 married John McCalvey 8 Mar 1855   CR
Mrs.   Jane McMASTER   .   Newry   daughter of James Graham; a widow; aged 50 married George McGowan 4 Dec 1854   CR

[tobyma123]

Hello BallyaltikilliganG. thank you so much for your time and trouble of posting all that info.
The only one I know on that list is my uncle John Tole married Agnes Frizzle Dec 19th 1845.
Her father William Frizzle.
John was the only son of Thomas who did not emigrate to the USA.
The family were Presbyterian but I don't think that marriages were allowed in that church earlier,
they had to be in the Church of Ireland.
Thomas Tole(Toal) children were,
Sarah 19th July 1812.
John 24th April 1814.
William Sept 8th 1816.
Margaret 29th march 1819,she married someone called Niblick or Niblock went to live in Scotland.
Thomas Macmaster Tole May 14th 1821.
James 3rd July 1828.
Hugh 8th Nov 1830.
Elinor Dec 1832.
David 10th Dec 1834 born Killmarnock Scotland.
Edward 1819 Ireland?.
Sam born 1823 Ireland?.
My great grandfather born about 1835 Ireland can't find bap for him was Robert youngest son.
What I was looking for was the marriage of Thomas their father and Selina (Lenny)Macmaster,
or any connections also to my great grandmother Agnes Sloane think her father was David.
The other thing the children changed the spelling of their name to Toal.
Thomas and Selina had connections to  Scotland.
I thought that someone out there might have a relative or two who could be related to either
side.
regards tobyma123.






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[BallyaltikilliganG]

fromhttp://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/F/Fr.htm#fri
Miss Agnes FRIZZLE Donaghmore wife of
1814
 John Tolle b 24th April 1814; m Miss Agnes FRIZZLE Donaghmore
children
Samuel Tolle b. 1870   CR 
a Samuel Toal father John Toal m 1900 in Co Down see www.ancestryireland.com
notes  FRIZELLE family Blaris [Lisburn area] of Huguenot origin who came to Lisburn area from France in 1600s

1900   Samuel  TOAL    m Sarah Ann XXXXX   Newry civil district   Down
1911 9 in Desert (Coobane, Down)
Toal   Samuel 40 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Farmer   Married-Toal   Sarah 48 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down
thinks Sarah unlikely to conceive aged 48

1901 census Samuel and Sarah not found
if Mary Brown was a relative of Sarah Ann then the address in 1901 reads
9 in Desert (Crobane, Down)
Brown   Margaret   40   Female   Daughter   Presbyterian
Brown   Mary   60   Female   Head of Family   Presbyterian
Mc Kevitt   Mary   16   Female   Servant   Roman Catholic
Murchan   Owen   20   Male   Servant   Roman Catholic
BUT  Brown didn’t work in emerald ancestors
have run out of time

[tobyma123]

Hello BallyaltiklliganG  thank you once again.
Samuel Toal(Tole) born 1870 was my cousin son of John Tole.
Married Sarah Ann Donaldson 1900 she was a teacher at the Shinn (school).
No children Sam died at Ardaragh 1913.
I am amazed to know that the Frizelle's were French Huguenot's.
I guess that Mary Brown was a friend or relative of Sarah's although I don't know her.
Where would you now look for Thomas and Selina ? I have been looking for their details
for ages and no luck.
They seem to have moved around a lot from Carnacally  to Lisnaree to Ardaragh.
Any idea's would be more than welcome.
regards tobyma123.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

the wrong time frame, just opening another location possibility to the moving around pattern

switching to Armagh which has 80+ entries for the name Toal/Toale and variantts ie west of newry
1864 Griffiths valuation see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Thomas T0*
Toal   Thomas   Carrickastickan Contd   Forkill   Armagh map ref 80
Toal   Thomas   Tievecrom         Forkill   Armagh map ref 77
Toale   Thomas   Ballintemple         Killevy   Armagh map ref 19&20
I think I can go no further

[tobyma123]

Hello BallyaltikilliganG thank you so much for your info it is very useful.
I think that this may be him, he would need land for the horses and as he was working
for the British govenment also an office?.
Thank you once again for your time and trouble.
regards tobyma123.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

no the term office i thinkseems to be applied to small farms over so many acres as small as 2 i think