I am not sure how to find out if this is my 3 x g grandmother.

[isobelw]

On his marriage, his place of residence was the Parish of Mountrath.

It would seem doubtful though that he would marry 1879 and then father a legitimate child and an illegitimate child within a year.

I couldn’t make the Parish out - well done!
I just find it unlikely there would be more than one Joseph Redding, who was a Land Steward. Plus someone of that stature would have a findable marriage and death record and his children’s births would not be unrecorded.

[heywood]

.Mary was born in Queen’s County, Ireland. Born in 1861.

1861 seems a bit too late

The Mary you have in 1891 is 34 yrs abt 1857
1901 46 yrs abt 1855
1911 53 yrs abt 1858

1911 place of birth is Athy, Queens County

[Redmoore]

On his marriage, his place of residence was the Parish of Mountrath.

It would seem doubtful though that he would marry 1879 and then father a legitimate child and an illegitimate child within a year.

I thought the same to be honest but it still isn’t impossible.

I was just remembering when I originally found Elizabeth’s marriage certificate I looked up her address and it is a massive house. I assumed she must have worked there but looking again there is no occupation listed on her marriage certificate. Did they bother listing women’s Occupations back then?  I cannot even decipher what it says now. It is something like Laubourne Lodge, Laubourne Road.

[BushInn1746]

In 1905 the Joseph Redding who was married to Mary Bachelor says that he has been employed by Mr G R Wills Sandford of Castlerea, Roscommon for 25 years ( British Newspaper Archive). Is there any way of finding out where he was employed just prior to this? He married Mary Bachelor in 1879 in Queens County.

Hello


"The descendants of Captain Theophilus Sandford of Moyglare, county Meath, settled at Castlerea, county Roscommon, in the late 17th century and represented the county in Parliament. Henry Moore Sandford (1751-1814) was created Baron Mount Sandford of Castlerea in July 1800. The title became extinct in 1846 following the death of George Sandford, 3rd Baron and the Sandford estates which were in the parishes of Dysart, barony of Athlone, Drumatemple, barony of Ballymoe and Ballintober, Kilkeevin and Kiltullagh, barony of Castlereagh, passed to the families of his sisters Wills of Willsgrove, Pakenham and Newenham. In the 1870s Thomas G. Wills Sandford owned 24,410 acres in county Roscommon and 949 acres in county Dublin. Over 1,200 acres of the Wills Sandford estate was vested in the Congested Districts' Board on 5 Nov 1911."

Browse Sandford's houses here ...
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1462


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"Westmeath" search


House: Cloonteem
In the 1850s and was held by Lord Greville
Grevill-Nugent
Nugent
Lodge of the Marquess of Westmeath
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=1326


Drumroe House Waterford
Homan Family of County Westmeath
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=3992


Pallas House (Nugent Property)
"Slater, in 1846, refers to the Hon. Anthony Nugent residing at "The Palace". At the time of Griffith's Valuation it was the property of Anthony Nugent and was valued at £46. In 1906 it was owned by the Earl of Westmeath"
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=811


Mark


ADDED: Was there any Witnesses or Sponsors to the Son's 1880 Birth at Westmeath

When I say Sponsers, I don't mean offering financial support, I mean like Godparent/s?

There is always the possibility that the Witnesses or Sponsors might / or might not be, related?

[BushInn1746]

Estate: O'Hara
National Library of Ireland Reference: #11146: Letter from J. Redding of Castlerea to G.R. Wills Sandford re vacancy for gamekeeper on estate of Major O'Hara, 1 Dec 1910. MS 24,197

Looks like you have got one Redding hook line and sinker!


Estate O'Hara
Browse Properties
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=184


The National Library of Ireland
Reference #624: O'Hara MSS: family & estate papers, 16th-120h century.
Reference #4978: O'Hara papers: Farm administraton & accounts, 18th century. Copies of originals held in private possession.
Reference #4997: O'Hara papers: Correspondence & maps including road maps of Sligo & Mayo, c.1800. Copies of originals in private possession.
Reference #5113: GO MSS 179: Pedigree of O'Hara of Coolaney & Nymphsfield, 1580-1730.
Reference #5114: GO MSS 165: Pedigree of O'Hara of Coolaney & Nymphsfield, 1600-1794.
Reference #9517: Autographed letter of Charles O'Hara of Nymphsfield from Boyle, July 1794. GO Ms. 3, 106-7.
Reference #11146: Letter from J. Redding of Castlerea to G.R. Wills Sandford re vacancy for gamekeeper on estate of Major O'Hara, 1 Dec 1910. MS 24,197
Reference #16561: O'Hara Papers: Letter to Charles King O'Hara from Lt. Herbert Clifford re missions to Ryukyu Islands, 1839-1845. Ms.20,323.


http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=O%27Hara+estate&type=AllFields&submit=FIND



Letter from J. Redding, of Castlerea Co. Roscommon to G. R. Wills Sandford referring to a vacancy for a gamekeeper on the estate of Major O'Hara, also mentioning that he has two pointers for sale, 1 Dec. 1910.
http://sources.nli.ie/Record/MS_UR_003340



Many Estate record collections will be too large to name everyone on the catalogue Index, who are mentioned in each Book and Volume.


Mark

[Redmoore]

I cannot find a birth record for Joseph which is why it is so difficult. All I have is censuses, his confirmation certificate and his war records.

I think that Joseph (Mary’s husband) had died by 1881 because Joseph (son) is living with a different family in Cambridge. I cannot find any connection to the family he was with. He was listed as visitor on the census. Thinking about it he could have just been there for that day, I have always thought he lived there. 🤔

[BushInn1746]

I think this is the same as the one isobelw found.

Pat and Thomas Hoban were neighbours of the Browne's.

ADDED: Bernard is the son of Mr Browne.


Roscommon Messenger, 28th October 1905

Quarter Sessions.
Claim for Alleged Malicious Burning of
A House.

At the Castlerea Quarter Sessions on Thursday
last, before his Honor County Court Judge
Wakely, Mr G R Wills Sandford, Dublin,
claimed £40 compensation for the alleged
malicious burning of a house, his property, at
Listhomasroe, near Castlerea, on the night of
the 9th September.
 ...

Henry Browne deposed, in reply to Mr
Scroope that he lived in Listhomasroe, and was
employed by Mr Redding for Mr Sandford. Mr
Redding pays him his wages.
 ...

                                                  On the
morning of Saturday, 9th September, about
half-past three he noticed the smell of smoke.
He got out of bed and looked at the fire; it was
alright. He called his son, Bernard, and told him
to look out that smoke was coming in. Bernard
opened the back door. ...
 ...   His son ran to draw out the furniture
They called his wife. She had not much time
to get out of bed. After his son had all the
things out he alarmed the neighbours, and two
of them-Pat and Thomas Hoban-came and
helped to get the furniture further from the
house. ...

Joseph Redding deposed- I am 25 years
in the employment of Mr Sandford. I am
managing this farm for farm for him.

 ...

[BushInn1746]

Apparently several Cases listed in the Registers on f m p (not checked)

Ireland, Petty Sessions Court Registers  (image 00660 & 00664?) From the National Archives of Ireland, Dublin.
24th June 1884
Joseph Reading (Role Witness), Court Killucan, Westmeath, Ireland

Perhaps he might mention his employer or who he was acting for?

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Ireland, Petty Sessions Court Registers  (image 00226?) From the National Archives of Ireland, Dublin.
1885
Joseph Reading (Role Witness), Court Castlerea, Roscommon, Ireland


Representing the landowner in Court, as a witness would be part of a Steward's work.

Mark