Langley in Somerset??

[fyremoon]

I'm in Australia and not familiar at all with the county of Somerset, but I'm trying to follow an obscure trail on my search for my Winter family... My GGGrandfather William Winter was staying with Somerset-born relatives in the 1861 census, Henry and Ruth Rossetter.  I'm trying to check if Ruth was a Winter, it says she was born 1827 Langley, Somerset, but I can't find any 'Langley' records.

Is Langely a town? a parish? not in Somerset? 

Leigh

[Arranroots]

Hello Leigh

It would be worth talking by PM to Rootschatter RCUSER, who has a vast collection of ROSSETERs.  It could be that Henry and Ruth feature in the database.

I can find references to Langley & Langley Marsh near Wiveliscombe, Taunton in Somerset, apparently just a hamlet. 

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pd/

kind regards, Arranroots 

[fyremoon]

Ah thanks so much Arranroots.

That makes a lot of sense... and it tends to add weight to my theory about a branch of the Winters I've come across a little info about, being possibly the same/linked to this one I'm trying to find out about - and they were from Wiveliscombe so... hmmm... we can't cound any chickens until they're hatched of course.

I'll try contacting RCUSER, thank you.

Leigh

[Arranroots]

Hmmm

This seems to be the same Henry working backwards - but there are others of a similar age, and none mention Hatch Beauchamp, so I would be cautious!

I chose him because of his father's occupation, the next nearest was an ag lab in 1851 so I left him as unlikely to become a draper in the next 10 years.

1861 census     Rg9/25/44/7

Henry ROSSETTER H M 31 - draper - Hatch Beauchamp
Ruth W M 34 - Langley
William WINTER nephew U 20 - Tenby Pemb Wales
Eliza niece 15 - Cold Blow Monmouth
Mary WALSH niece U 19 - Bristol

Address 34 Angel House, Hammersmith



1851 census HO107/1932/459/11

William ROSSITER H M 67 - late manufacturer of cloth - Somerset Frome
Anandil (?) W M 51 - Shrewsbury Shropshire
Eleanor dau U 21 - at home - Somerset Frome
Henry G son U 18 - do - do
Edward D son U 17 - do - do
Alfred J son 14 - do - do
Phillip C son 10 - do - do

Address: Keyford St, Frome



1841 census HO107/942/8/10/13

William ROSITER 55 - muslen (sic) manufacturer Y
Arundel 40 No
William 15 Y
Daniel 14 Y
Ellenor 11 Y
Maria 10 Y
Henry 9 Y
Edward 7 Y
Alfred J? 4 Y
Phillip 1 Y
+ 3 servants


Address: Keyford St, Frome Selwood, Somerset


I hope this helps a little

kind regards, Arranroots 

[Arranroots]

Do you already have this census?

1851 census   HO107/1952/381/31

Sophie ROGERS H U 23 - linen draper - Somerset Langley
William WINTER nephew U 10 - linen drapers apprentice - Pembrokesh Tenby
+ 1 servant

Address: 2 Lower Nelson Place, Clifton, Bristol


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[Arranroots]

Here's 1841, I believe

1841 census   HO107/1452/1/41/28

Sarah WINTER 25 N
Edward 7 N
Benjamin 6 N
John 3 Y
William 1 Y

Address: Crackwell St, St Mary Within, Pembrokeshire

You should have a couple of names to play with here: maybe a ROGERS marrying WINTER?



kind regards, Arranroots 

[fyremoon]

Oh my goodness Arranroots, you've given me a lot of info to work with, thank you so much!

I didn't have any of those other census returns except the 1861 Rossiter one (and the one I have says that Eliza was born in Cold Blow 'Narburth', which I'm thinking was Narberth?)

The link I'm hoping to make here is between something I've read from a book 'The Golden Falcon' and my own William Winter, the one who was with the Rossetters in 1861.

In the book there's info on a young William and Sarah Winter moving from Somerset to Wales, he a poulterer, and they had 14 children.  Not all of their names were mentioned, but there was a Ben, Edward, Tim, Charles mentioned, and he also said that his father (who isn't named in the narrative) had said there was always a John in the family.  It also includes an 1861 census return:

(Narberth, Pembrokeshire 1861 census No. 4149 - No. 37, Red Stone: William aged 47, poulterer born Brompton Ralph, Somerset, Sarah wife aged 48, born Widescombe, Somerset, son John aged 23, cabinet maker born Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Sarah aged 11, born Tenby, Timothy aged 12 scholar born Narberth, Joseph aged 11, Sophia aged 8, Charles aged 6, Julia aged 4, Eva aged 2). 

my own William Winter, nephew of Henry/Ruth Rossetter, born 1840 n Tenby Wales, who's father was also William, a poulterer.  So that last one with Sarah Winter and sons, seems to fit both.  I don't want to count chickens before they hatch ( a poulterer pun?  ) but I will look into it further, thank you so much!!

One question - can you tell me what the 'N' and 'Y' stand for on the 1841 census?

And if you have access to the info, is there further information on that Sarah Winter and sons, in the following census? (I'm also wondering where her husband William was on this night).  I hope I'm not asking too much, you've already given me heaps to go on!

Leigh x 

[Arranroots]

Hello Leigh

The 1841 census asked whether the people were born in the county or not, Y = Yes, N = No.

There certainly seem to be a few coincidences going on in your story & that in the book - will look for Sarah for you later (not able to access my records at the mo)

kind regards, Arranroots 

[fyremoon]

Ah ha, thank you.  I've just looked on a map, and there's a Crackwell St in Tenby, so it's probalby the same place... I wonder where Edward and Ben were born then if not in Tenby... so interesting, and thanks in advance for looking for Sarah for me, this is rather exciting

Leigh