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Bury St Edmunds PRs - 1740s & 1770s - GUEST
« on: Tuesday 31 July 07 15:37 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help to find the birth of Ralph GUEST, Bury St Edmunds c. 1743?  Apparently he was an organist at Bury St Edmunds.
There is a submitted (i.e. un-sourced) IGI Record for him born 1742, died 1830.

I'm also looking for Ralph's children by his first wife Sarah Prick:

Charles GUEST (b. c. 1770)  - though I'm not positive he is Ralph's & Sarah's.  I need to find his birth.
George GUEST (b. 1 May 1771 according to a submited IGI record)
Jane Mary GUEST (date unknown, apparently became Mrs Miles, a pianist and composer)

I have found IGI records for two other children: Frances (23/5/1774) and John (6/4/1776).  John was apparently a music master at Bury St Edmunds.

Any help much appreciated!
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Bury St Edmunds Parish Registers 1740s and 1770s
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 16:21 BST (UK) »
This marriage appears on Boyds index.

Abram A MILES
Jane M GUEST


1789
St. George Hanover Square, Westminster
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Re: Bury St Edmunds Parish Registers 1740s and 1770s
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 16:26 BST (UK) »
Aulus

I want to know more about Great Aunt Florence, the black sheep!  ;)

Was she as bad as my gg Aunt Mary?

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Re: Bury St Edmunds Parish Registers 1740s and 1770s
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 16:29 BST (UK) »
Certainly Pigot's 1823/4 lists Ralph Guest as Professor and Teacher

http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/buryintro.htm
the above link shows the Cathedral of St Edmundsbury (which is St James Parish).

If you scroll to the bottom of the page there is a list of all the churches in Bury St Edmunds.

The other main parish church in Bury is http://www.simonknott.co.uk/suffolkchurches/burymary.htm

If you write to the Diocese, they may be able to help with lists of church organists - sometimes they are listed within the church itself
http://www.stedmundsbury.anglican.org/index.htm

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Re: Bury St Edmunds Parish Registers 1740s and 1770s
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 16:40 BST (UK) »
This marriage appears on Boyds index.

Abram A MILES
Jane M GUEST


1789
St. George Hanover Square, Westminster

Thanks Sue - I've just looked that up on IGI and found it's Abraham Allen Miles - there are no less than three submitted records for the marriage!

Thanks too to suffolkmawther for your pointers.  I'll take a look and follow up with the diocese.
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Bury St Edmunds Parish Registers 1740s and 1770s
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 16:41 BST (UK) »
Aulus

I want to know more about Great Aunt Florence, the black sheep!  ;)

Was she as bad as my gg Aunt Mary?

meles

Don't know - how bad was Aunt Mary?  :o

There's a black sheep thread here including some info on Florence.
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Bury St Edmunds Parish Registers 1740s and 1770s
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 16:48 BST (UK) »
Aunt Mary got married, apparently having forgotten that she was already wed.





Twice.  ;)

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Re: Bury St Edmunds Parish Registers 1740s and 1770s
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 18:27 BST (UK) »
The transcription from the register of St George Hanover Square reads:

29 August 1789 Marriage of Abraham Allen Miles of Bath, & Jane Mary Guest of this Parish

Frances :)
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Re: Bury St Edmunds PRs - 1740s & 1770s - GUEST
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 October 07 17:12 BST (UK) »
Just to follow this up quickly, following a couple of days in the Bury records office last week:

I now know conclusively that Charles Guest (my great-great-great-great grandfather, 1770-1855) was the son of Ralph Guest (great x5 grandfather, 1743-1830), and so a brother of the George Guest who was famous as the organist at Wisbech in Cambridgeshire and as a composer (Amazon lists some of his works, though they're not available).

I was intrigued that there was only this one Guest family in Bury St Edmunds, which puzzled me.  Right at the last minute, I found a newspaper article in the Bury & Norwich Post for 15th December 1824, which gave a little biography of Ralph Guest.

Ralph Guest, it appears was born in Broseley in Shropshire. 
Ralph showed some musical ability as a child, but didn't really develop it. 
In 1764, he moved to London when a "business opportunity" arose for him when he was 21. 
In 1768 another opportunity then arose in Bury St Edmunds where he became an assistant to a Mr H Bul[...], and after a while he set up in business there himself (not sure what his business was though - though I have found a reference to him charging £122 11s 4½d for for the refurbishment of the soft furnishings of St Mary's Church, Redgrave in Suffolk so probably he ran a draper's*.  [that's the equivalent of just under £7000 in today's money]).
On January 26th 1769 he married Sarah Prick at St Mary's in Bury St Edmunds
In 1777/8 he was an overseer of the poor for the parish of St James in Bury St Edmunds.
In 1795 Ralph Guest took over the choir of St Mary's and subsequently became organist when St Mary's got an organ.   On becoming organist, he gave up his other business.

It was really interesting to sit there looking at (and touching very gently and just at the edges!) all these little slips of paper that Charles had been handling back in the 1810s/1820s, notes he'd signed, receipts he'd made people write out when he'd paid them, his calculations for how much poor rates people should be paying.  Similarly reading the Vestry minute books for St James' Parish in B-S-E for c. 1770, and finding his father Ralph Guest signing his name on the list of people present - his actual signature!  (Bears comparison with another side of my tree, most of whom couldn't write 100 years later, and the only thing my grandfather could write in cursive - as opposed to block capitals - was his name.)

Another interesting thing I found in the archives (though no direct link to the Guests) was a letter, which when I read it made my jaw drop.  It was an example of the Advance Fee Fraud letter that is so common nowadays by email.  Nothing new under the sun!

* actually, now I think about it great grandfather Guest (Hezekiah William John Guest (1886-1959) was the manager of a furnishing fabrics company.

Is there any chance anyone could check early directories for me and find out what trade H. Bul[...] (the newspaper must have been tightly bound when it was microfilmed, as the end of the name curves off and is illegible) and Ralph Guest were pursuing in Bury - I suppose the period would be 1768-1800 ish.  The ones on historicaldirectories.org don't start until later.
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk