rothwell

[bowes]

Can sks do a lookup for me for the following family:

1831 census
Olivia Rothwell Chris 1821, St Peter, Liverpool
Eliza Anne Rothwell Chr 1824, St Peter, Liverpool
Henry Joseph Rothwell Chr 31-10-1822, St Peter, Liverpool
Mary Anne Rothwell B1811, Chris 1811, St Peter, Liverpool

1851 census
Olivia Rothwell Chris 1821, St Peter, Liverpool
Eliza Anne Rothwell Chr 1824, St Peter, Liverpool
Henry Joseph Rothwell Chr 31-10-1822, St Peter, Liverpool

They are all siblings, and their parents are William and Elizabeth Rothwell.
The parents were living in Everton I think.

Kind regards
Jackie

[mosiefish]

Hi,
1841 Census,
All ages rounded down to nearest 5 or 0
H1097/519/3 Folio 30 page 2

Beacon Road, Everton
Civil Parish of Walton on the Hill

William Rothwell, 60, Merchant, born in County
Olivia Rothwell, 15, Born in County
Sophia Hurley?, 25, Female Servant, Not born in County

Regards,
Mo

[mosiefish]

Hi,

A quick question before I continue....  were the family quite "well off" so to speak?

I think I have found William and Olivia living with a William Rothwell, Landed Proprietor aged 44 in the 1851 census.  William was the son of William and brother of Olivia.

Regards,
Mo

[mosiefish]

Hi again,

Ah, I have just read your previous posts and you already had the 1841 and he was a Merchant.

1851 census:

Foxholes, Ellel, Lancashire

Wm Talbot Rothwell, Head, M, 44, Landed Proprietor, Liverpool
Elizabeth, Wife, M, 31, Wife, Truro Parish Cornwall (written above is nr st Clements)
Ann Carter Leisetta, Daur, 1, Daur, Ellel
Francis Talbot, Son, 5m, Son, Ellel
WILLIAM, Father, Wid, 76, Father, Wigan
OLIVIA Frances, Sister, U, 29, Sister, West Derby
Abdul Medgit, Serv, U, 17, Farm Servant, Africa
Catharine Reardon, Serv, U, 20, Nurse, Yorkshire Yealand

Regards,
Mo

[bowes]

If William the elder 76 years was the father of Mary Anne Rothwell, and other siblings, there is no William in the children.  There is only a son Henry Joseph. 
Also if you work out William the Head's age, he was born about 1807 and could not possibly have had Mary Anne in 1811/2. 
So it would have to be William the father as Mary Anne's father, and if so, then William being born in 1807, Mary Anne in 1811, Olivia in 1821, Henry Joseph in 1822 and Eliza Anne in 1824.  Perhaps you are correct, when I think about it, as in the 1851 census, William is 76 and his son 44 being a difference of 32 years.  Maybe William was the first born?  Because when you look again at the 1841 census, he is shown as 60 years, and his daughter Olivia, perhaps named after Williams sister Olivia Frances, is shown as 15 years.  Maybe he had 2 children first, and then the next 3 later.??

In the 1841 census, it shows William being from Everton, which is where she is shown to have come from on her marriage certificate.

There is on LDS birth for Mary Anne Rothwell in 1811 St Peter, Liverpool with parents William Rothwell and Elizabeth Laughton.  Although there is also a marriage for a William Rothwell to Elizabeth Cockshead in 1811 at St Nicholas, Liverpool

There is a death of an Elizabeth Rothwell Dec Qtr 1839 W Derby Vol 20, Page 723.

Witnesses to Mary Anne Rothwell's 2nd marriage to George Bowes Taylor are Mary Lathony, Julliana Brittain, John Bamford, John Singleton.  These don't match up with George Bowes Taylor's siblings.

Do I make any sense?
Comments?

Jackie

[mosiefish]

Hi,

Well I think I have got the gist of it now!

In the 1841 census William Snr.and Olivia are living in Everton but it only states Born in County not that he came from Everton.  Likewise ages were rounded down, so if he said he was 64 or the enumerator misread a 66 for 64 then he would be recorded as aged 60.  The same goes for Olivia who if aged 19 would have been recorded as 15. 

By the way, this is the only Olivia Rothwell in the whole of the country on the 1841 census without stipulating anything else.

I have just taken a look at the 1861 census and found that Olivia is still living with her brother and family in Ellel aged 39.  Interestingly in the relationship column it states that Olivia is a HALF sister.  So it looks likely that William Snr born 1774/5ish did marry at least twice. 

Regards,
Mo

[bowes]

Hi again,
Well it certainly looks like there were two marriages.  Funny how the daughter Mary Anne also married twice.  Maybe it ran in the family.  I think I am going to go with two marriages.  I attach some info I got off the IGI for you to look at and see if perhaps there was the two marriages.

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 7
Select records to download - (50 maximum)

1. OLIVIA FRANCES ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 NOV 1821 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England M - ELIZA F- WILLIAM ROTHWELL
2. ELIZA ANNE ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 APR 1824 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England M – ELIZABETH F- WILLIAM ROTHWELL
3. HENRY JOSEPH ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 OCT 1822 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
M – ELIZABETH F – WILLIAM ROTHWELL
4. WILLIAM HENRY TALBOT ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 FEB 1820 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
M – ELIZABETH F – WILLIAM ROTHWELL
5. JAMES CHARLES ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 AUG 1820 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England M – ELIZABETH F – WILLIAM ROTHWELL
6. HANNAH ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 APR 1816 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England – M – HANNAH F – WILLIAM ROTHWELL
7. ELLEN ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 NOV 1817 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England M – HANNAH F – WILLIAM ROTHWELL

IGI Batch P 020272

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 5
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1. MARY ANN ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 APR 1811 M- ELIZABETH LAUGHTON F – WILLIAM ROTHWELL
2. MARY ANN ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 JUN 1811 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
3. JOHN ROTHWEL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAR 1813 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England M – ELIZABETH F – WILLIAM ROTHWELL
4. THOMAS ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 05 APR 1809 – M – ELIZABETH SIMPSON F – WILLIAM ROTHWELL
5. THOMAS ROTHWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JUN 1809 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

IGI Batch P 020271

Note that they all christened in same place.

Regards
Jackie

[mosiefish]

Hi Jackie,

Unfortunately there is no way of telling which children belong to which Parents  They only way to sort them out would be to view the actual films and find out the address and occupation of the father.  You can order the films to be viewed at your nearest LDS family history centre by going to the Library section on the site and finding the closest address in your country.  Unless of course some kind soul would look them up at Liverpool, but this is rather a BIG ask. 

Looking at Olivia again in various census (still at her brothers home) she also gave her place of Birth as Walton and Walton Breck.

From the Historical Directories site for Liverpool and area:

1827

William Rothwell, Merchant, Breck House, Walton Breck
Rothwell and Son, Merchant, 5 Manesty Lane (Works address)
1829

William Rothwell, Merchant, Beacon Lane, Everton
William Rothwell, Son & Co, 5 Manesty Lane.

Beacon Lane was the address of William and Olivia in the 1841 census.

I suspect that William Talbot Snr died 1854 Lancaster but can`t prove it.  In which case, if it were my family I would be looking to find his will.  This would probably name his living children.

Regards,
Mo