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Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« on: Wednesday 23 January 08 22:34 GMT (UK) »
My ongoing Harry family research continues.
The 1861 Census at Wrestling Green St Austell has Maria Harris,a widow aged 37 and her three daughters Elizabeth 16,Anna Jane 14 and Christianna 10.
Maria (nee Hammer) had married John Harry 11 Nov 1841 St Austell but he drowned Oct 1865 Rio Grande De Sol,Brazil.Why would she call herself a widow in 1861 as he did not die until 1865 ? Unless she considered he had deserted her.
I would like to discover what became of the three girls.I can't find them 1871.Perhaps they married either as Harry or Harris.
Maria (Harry) turned up 1871,a widow aged 45,working as a nurse at Cripples House Marylebone London.
To complicate matters Maria Hammer/Harry married twice more:
Dec Qtr 1874 St Austell to Thomas Crabb and Sep Qtr 1888 St Austell to Richard Netherton.
I would appreciate look ups and any other information.
I am also trying to resolve the possible Harry/Harrey/Harey/Harris variations.

Wyatt and Wood of Glossop, Derbyshire. Longstaff of Bishop Auckland,Durham. Harry of St Austell and St Kew,Cornwall. Charters of County Antrim.Knight of Warwickshire.Hendy of Ballyedmonduff.

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Re: Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 January 08 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi rex


will delve into it tomorrow .... the Christiana Harry marriage to Benjamin Saunders in 1864  is far too early .... :-\

have a good day

deb :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 January 08 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi rex

Just recapping here in case someone can help us! Harris= Harry

1861;
Maria HARRIS wid 37
Elizabeth dau 16
Anna Jane dau 14
Christianna dug 10
the girls all born in St Austell

deb

Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 January 08 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Deb
!861 Census Wrestling Green St Austell.Maria (nee Hammer) b1823 St Mewan married John Harry 11 Nov 1841.They had three daughters as you have listed plus Mary who had married Sampson Borlace and a son Joseph who was living with his sister in 1861.
Husband of Mary,John, had gone to Brazil where he drowned 1865 ,so she was not yet a widow.
I query why name is Harris not Harry.
Incidently she did remarry 1874 Thomas Crabb and 1888 Richard Netherton.
I would greatly appreciate look ups hoping to clarify.
Wyatt and Wood of Glossop, Derbyshire. Longstaff of Bishop Auckland,Durham. Harry of St Austell and St Kew,Cornwall. Charters of County Antrim.Knight of Warwickshire.Hendy of Ballyedmonduff.


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Re: Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 January 08 22:56 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning Rex,

I am sorry I too have been unable to locate any of these girls in any later census anywhere in England. I spent many hours yesterday trying as I suspect so has Deb and others. I believe I tried everything possible particularly where Christianna and Anna Jane are concerned and cannot see them as  married women either. I really hope someone has better luck than me. I chased up all possible married Christiana and Anna/Hannah I could find and found none to be them.

The name variant does not concern me. The  enumerator has written the name how he heard it. Perhaps partly as there is another Maria Harris in the parish at the time, he may have been swayed. I do believe this 61 entry is the Harry family. I also tried for deaths without any success. I wonder what became of them.  :-\

Now Maria listing as a widow I suspect that is how she saw herself, particularly if there was no support coming from John, she would have considered herself a widow - she may have even thought he was dead herself. In these times a persons marriage could easily be dissolved allowing quick remarriage if the spouse had moved overseas. Divorce was not an option other than for the wealthy. Under normal circumstances where separation occurred people remarried using the 7 year rule. All one needed to do was state that they had not seen their husband or wife in 7 years and did not know if they were alive or dead. This rule was often used even if they knew full well their spouse was alive. (in such cases, they may marry away from their home parish so as not to be challenged) Where the spouse had gone over seas there was no need to wait the 7 years. This does not appear to have been used here since Maria did not marry until 1874.

As their father went to Brazil I wonder if there is any possibility the girls followed. Seems odd with Maria turning up in London in 1871 and then finds her way back to St Austell. Could she have even gone overseas too and later returned alone?

I do hope someone else has better luck than me with this one.....Good Luck...........Kris  :D
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Re: Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 January 08 23:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kris

Thank you so much for looking ...I am completely stumped!..I too wondered if maybe they had gone overseas to meet up with dad ... and then just stayed. I searched for the girls in London aswell ...no luck ...very atrange ...maybe we should search further afield as in the subsequent census ...maybe they did return / or will show up ...

seems strange that 3 daughters should dissappear ...

deb
added I even tried anyone born circa 1870 with the mother's name Christ*a in St Austell ,,,nothing!
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 January 08 23:51 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both Kris and Deb.Point taken.It is indeed a mystery.
Maria is connected to my family through a Hammer connection( my Nicholas Harry married Jane/Jennifer Harry 1822).However it is only recently that I have been trying to connect up with another Harry Group who were living in St Austell about the same time.I believe the Harry connection must have occured several generations back as I have traced this family back to Illogan,Camborne and Phillack.
My direct line were originally in St Kew.
Wyatt and Wood of Glossop, Derbyshire. Longstaff of Bishop Auckland,Durham. Harry of St Austell and St Kew,Cornwall. Charters of County Antrim.Knight of Warwickshire.Hendy of Ballyedmonduff.

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Re: Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 January 08 04:39 GMT (UK) »
Did you have 1851
Piece: HO107/1907 Place: St Austell -Cornwall Enumeration District: 1h
Civil Parish: St. Austell Ecclesiastical Parish: Charlestown
    HARRY   John   Head   M   M   30   Miner    Cornwall - St. Austell       
    HARRY   Maria   Wife   M   F   27       Cornwall - St. Mewan       
    HARRY   Mary   Dau   -   F   9       Cornwall - St. Austell       
    HARRY   Elizabeth   Dau   -   F   6       Cornwall - St. Austell       
    HARRY   Anna Jane   Dau   -   F   3       Cornwall - St. Austell       
    HARRY   Christiana   Dau   -   F   1       Cornwall - St. Austell     

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Re: Maria HARRY/HARRIS
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 January 08 05:05 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Althea.
This is the family in 1851.Husband John went to Brazil and is thought to have drowned there in 1865.They had another child Joseph b1852.
In 1861 Joseph was living with his sister Mary (by then married Borlace) at Plymouth St Andrew.
Maria (widow???) and daughters Elizabeth,Anna Jane and Christianna were at Wrestling Green St Austell but surname Harris( perhaps misread), in 1861.
In 1871 Maria Harry was a nurse St Marylebone London.
I cannot find the three daughters in 1871.Could they have married or died?
Joseph married Ellen Millard in 1875.His family are at Plymouth,Charles The Martyr Devon.Can you find what became of the daughters after 1861?

Any further help greatly appreciated.
Wyatt and Wood of Glossop, Derbyshire. Longstaff of Bishop Auckland,Durham. Harry of St Austell and St Kew,Cornwall. Charters of County Antrim.Knight of Warwickshire.Hendy of Ballyedmonduff.