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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #9 on: Friday 28 January 05 00:36 GMT (UK) »
On the contrary .... the Gorbals heyday was long before the advent of the "Ned" ...  Teddyboys maybe, but Neds  no way... and shellsuits hadn't even been invented when the Gorbals tough reputation was at its height.

But at its height it was also a close knit working class community


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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #10 on: Friday 28 January 05 00:41 GMT (UK) »
Ele, just to add a little geography the start of the gorbals is just a short distance away from the Saltmarket/ King Street area of Glasgow where Millars Place was situated (your previous enquiry)

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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #11 on: Friday 28 January 05 07:06 GMT (UK) »
I was born in the Gorbals and lived there for 13 yrs and can honestly say that they were the happiest years of my life.  There was a great community spirit everyone looked out for each other and yes there was a small minority who did cause trouble but you get them everywhere you go.

One of the places where men would congregate was Gorbals Cross which was situated between Norfolk St and Gorbals St and photos of the Cross are on the Virtual Mitchell website. That is probably where your grandfather would meet his friends

There is a site which I think would be of interest to you it's www. gorbalslive.org.uk then click on to anecdotes there you will find people reliving their memories of life in the Gorbals.

Hope this will be of some help to you

Janie
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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #12 on: Friday 28 January 05 20:54 GMT (UK) »
On the contrary .... the Gorbals heyday was long before the advent of the "Ned" ...  Teddyboys maybe, but Neds  no way... and shellsuits hadn't even been invented when the Gorbals tough reputation was at its height.

But at its height it was also a close knit working class community



In respect to my post I said it WAS the birth place of the ned not that the gorbals started because of NED's I accept that there was other fashion styles prior to the neds of today.

Rob
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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #13 on: Friday 28 January 05 21:08 GMT (UK) »
We will obviously have to agree to differ ..... the Gorbals was not the birthplace of the "NED" .... nor was it the birthplace of the Teddyboys to whom I referred.

It was once an upper class area which fell on hard times and within which as the houses were neglected by those who could have done something about it rather than build more poor houses and cram them full.
It (the area) helped give rise to the birth of socialism, it gave the world some notable characters on both sides of the fence and yes   the  people grew up short of cash and what many nowadays consider the necessities of life but there was a community spirit which grew and prospered.

That times were hard for the people that lived there there is no doubt. That there were criminal elements living in some parts again no doubt .... but as has been said they were in the minority .....

That the fiction of the no mean city image has been foisted upon the area is not its fault but rather the failure of the commentators.

sweeping generalisations whether for good or bad are often far wide of the mark and bear little resemblence to the reality of things.

as for Jimmy Boyle 
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  Jimmy Boyle is an acclaimed sculptor, a prize-winning writer, a drugs counsellor and a wine expert.

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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #14 on: Friday 28 January 05 22:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all again..

Will show messages to my Dad and maybe it may jog his memory on a few of Grandad's stories... he had more than a few, and as a young child/teenager when he lived with us, I switched off! like kids do... (my son is now doing it to me).. 

I must add that my Granddad may have come from some rough areas but produced a very open minded, intelligent man who stayed young in mind and if only I could remember his dam stories!!

and thank you Janie. The Virtual Lib. has quite a few photos of where my earlier family lived and where my Grandad was born.. My Dad was speechless, and believe you me, THAT was a first! It's great to actually see pictures, especially from Australia.. and to find some where your family lived is fantastic..

Thanks...
McQuade. Co Monaghan Ireland>Glasgow Scotland.
McGurk. Belfast Ireland>Newcastle Upon Tyne.

Chappell. Bristol.
Nichol(l)s. Bristol.

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Fraser. Inverness Scotland>London.
Coulson. London.
Phil(l)ips. Glasgow Scotland.

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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 29 January 05 12:29 GMT (UK) »
With regards to Jimmy Boyle.  He may well be an acclaimed sculptor etc and a prison reformer and he was also a leading exponent in trying to turn younger people away from crime he was still a notorious criminal who became good.  He is also to some extent one of my hero's.  To withstand what he did in Barlinnie, to withstand and come out strong when the Government and prison service did all they could to contain what they saw as an attack on them personally. 

Would he have come out the man he is now though if it wasn't for the special unit?  No I don't think he would have.  His sculptoring saved him from more crime and he should be an inspiration to us all.  From the dreggs of life come the stalwarts of society.

Anyway thats all personal opinion.  Whatever the views of the gorbals by myself or others the fact is at one time they were a well to do era and then they fell into decay and today look like the slums of any major city.

Rob
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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 29 January 05 13:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ele

Your grandfather would most certainly have known or spoken about the boxer Benny Lynch and you will find more info on him at www.bennylynch.co.uk

Janie

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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #17 on: Friday 04 February 05 12:51 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again for your help.. Benny does ring a bell with my Dad.. Grandad was well into boxing. His father was a Bare Knuckle fighter at the Glasgow Greens late 1800's and my Dad also a boxer. Do you know of any history on bare knuckle fighting at the Glasgow Greens.. probably done behind closed doors I would imagine..

Thanks for the Gorbal Cross info. I will take a look further. Triggered my Dads memory of Grandads stories of police on horse back turning up to where they used to hang out and taking marbles to throw on the ground to bring the police off the horses.. and sewing razor blades into the lapels of jackets incase of a fight!!

Have a great day... Ele.
McQuade. Co Monaghan Ireland>Glasgow Scotland.
McGurk. Belfast Ireland>Newcastle Upon Tyne.

Chappell. Bristol.
Nichol(l)s. Bristol.

This information is crown copy copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Fraser. Inverness Scotland>London.
Coulson. London.
Phil(l)ips. Glasgow Scotland.