ALWAY Family - Wellington

[Harrisons]

Hello,

Looking for any information on the Alway family from Wellington, Somerset.  Most Importantly James Alway born 1839, wellington.  Father Thomas.  I know that James ended up in paddington in late 1800's but he does not appear on any census from 1841 to 1891. 

any info would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

nik

[AMBLY]

Hi Nik

What more can you rell us about James - name of a wife, a child, his occupation.

Is there some reason why you know this not him in 1841 - father named Thomas? The following is very 'findable' on the census etc.

1841: Milway - Township of Wellington, Somerset
HO107 / Piece 950 /  Book: 6 /  Folio: 6 /  Pg 5//
Thomas ALWAY 45, carpenter
Ann  ALWAY 49
Mary ALWAY 18
Henry ALWAY 13
Eliza ALWAY 10
William ALWAY 8
Elizabeth ALWAY 5
James ALWAY 2
/
John RICE  20, Carpenter
Jane RICE 20
//
ALL born in Somerset

(note: Jane RICE is probably a  newly married daughter of Thomas & Ann)
MARRIAGE: FreeBMD: Mar Qtr 1841 Wellington - John RICE and Jane ALWAY on same page.
1851: Booth Street - Wellington Somerset
HO107/ Piece: 1921/ Folio: 434/ Pg: 17
Head: Thomas ALWAY 59, Carpenter
Wife; Ann ALWAY 60
Dau: Mary ALWAY 27, unm, Weaver
Son: Thomas ALWAY 21, unm, Carpenter
Dau: Elizabeth ALWAY 15, unm, Weaver
Son: James ALWAY 12, Scholar
Grand-Dau: Lydia ALWAY 4,
ALL born Wellington

1851: Burgage - Wellington, Somerset
HO107 /  Piece: 1921 /  Folio: 420 /  pg 44
Head: John RICE 30, Carpenter & Joiner
Wife: Jane RICE 29, Weaver hand Loom
Dau: Mary RICE 9, Scholar,
Son: Thomas RICE 7, Scholar,
Son: John RICE 4, Scholar
Visitor: Elizabeth GREEDY 26, unm, Weaver Serge, b Wiveliscombe
ALWAY's all born Wellington
1861: Russell Street - St Mary Redcliff, Bristol
RG9 /  Piece: 1712 /  Folio: 16 /  Pg 26
Head: James ALWAY 22, Carpenter, b Wellington Somerset
Wife: Sarah AWLAY 27, b Wellington Somerset
Dau: Georgina ALWAY 2, b Bristol Somerset
1871: 33 Golding Road - St Mary Paddington, London
RG10 /  Piece: 18 /  Folio: 40 /  Pg71
Head: James ALWAY 32, Carpenter, b Wellington SOM
Wife: Sarah ALWAY 35, b Wellington SOM
Dau: Georgina ALWAY 13, b Bristol
Son: Willie ALWAY 8, b Bristol
Son: Thomas ALWAY 3, b Paddington
Dau: Eliz'th ALWAY 11mths, b Paddington
Neice: Mary RICE 29, unm, b Servant Cook, b Wellington SOM
1881: 29 Wheatstone - Kensington Town, London
RG11 /  Piece: 39 /  Folio: 27 /  Pg 48
Head: James ALWAY 43, Joiner, b Wellington Somerset
Wife: Sarah ALWAY 45, b Wellington Somerset
Son: William ALWAY 18, unm, b Bristol Somerset
Son: Thomas ALWAY 13, Scholar, b Paddington MDX
Dau: Elizabeth ALWAY 10, Scholar, b Paddington MDX
Dau: Lucy A ALWAY 8, Scholar, b Paddington MDX
1891: 63 Faraday Road - Kensington Town, London
RG12 / Piece: 24 /  Folio 170 / pg 60
Head: James ALWAY 52, Carpenter, b Somerset
Wife: Sarah ALWAY 56, b Someset
Dau: Lucy ALWAY 18, Dressmaker, b Paddington

1901: 63 Faraday Road - Kensington Town, London
RG13 /  Piece: 27 /  Folio: 34 /  Pg 7
Head: James ALWAY 62, Carpenter, b Somersetshire
Wife: Sarah ALWAY 66, b Somersetshire
Dau: Lucy ALWAY 28, unm, Dressmaker, b Paddington London

All the above looks like the same person, James ALWAY son of Thomas ALWAY and Ann, brother of Jane RICE nee ALWAY.

Possible DEATH:
James ALWAY age 69 - Kensington - Mar Qtr 1908

But you say he isn't found 1841-1891................

Cheers
AMBLY

[Harrisons]

Hello,

Thank you for that.  The problem is that the James i am looking for is married to Emma and living with sons frederick and Sidney in paddington 1891.  At the same time there is a James Alway living in Kensington with Sarah.  Both born 1839 in Wellington.

There are 2 James Always  1881 census again both born 1839 Wellington (james and sarah in kensington) and (James and Ellen living in bristol).  I orogonally thought Ellen and Emma might be the same person but have a distinct age difference.

On 1851 census there is a another James Alway born 1839 parents James and Rachel.  They are all Carpenters, same years, same places of birth. 

From your information it appears James married to sarah is likely to be the son of Thomas so perhaps the James i need is James and Rachels son? 

This is what i ment by not appearing on census as cannot fathom if there are 2 or 3 JAmes always born 1839 wellington?

[AMBLY]

Hi Nik

Murphy's Law being what it is - I just KNEW it  would turn out to be the 1891 Paddington  James ALWAY 52, Carpenter , b Wellington SOM (with wife Emma 33 & sons Sidney James Charles 3 Frederick George Charles 1) you were after     Seeing that census 1891 entry for him, at first my suspicious mind wondered if James, the husband of Sarah/son of Thomas - was leading a double life......

But then I saw, the  probable death entry of Emma's James ALWAY, age 58, in Paddington Sep Qtr 1896.

Despite sons Frederick George Charles ALWAY and  Sidney James Charles ALWAY's birth being registered as ALWAY -  I think James ALWAY did not marry Emma until 1893, and that her maiden namse was HARRIS . I think I can track her through the Census  1861 to 1881.....do you have the birth cert of either son, or the daughter Daisy born after 1891 Census which would state her maiden name? Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree with HARRIS!

MARRIAGE:
1893 Chelsea - James ALWAY and Emma HARRIS on the same page.

I also think that this James is probably the son of James and Rachel.
Rachel's maiden name was CHARLES. Which might account for both this James' sons having that  name as their 2nd middle names....

http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/H_m_w/Well/Bap_1.html#top
James ALWAY  and Rachel CHARLES  married 14 Feb 1814 at St John's, Wellington, Somerset
(there are many other ALWAY births, baptisms, marriages and burials - but nothing for the two James as the lists only go up to 1837)

Some earlier PR's for Wellington here:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/Wellington/Transcripts/

My  sticky point with Emma is:  if she is a HARRIS - I am picking one from the Census whose father is named William. But I wonder if it may be "George", accounting for Fred's first middle name (while Sidney's first middle name James could be after James's father, and James himself of course).

I can find James &  Rachel on 1841 and 1851, with son James included in their children.
Then this son  is lost in 1861 and 1871.

And  so to your dilemma -  is James & Rachel's son/Emma's husband -  the same one who appears in 1881 in Bristol as  Publican of the Duke of Marlbro age 42, b Wellington SOM with a wife named Ellen also 42., and no children evident.  :

Possible MARRIAGE: Mar Qtr 1877 Clifton
James ALWAY and Ellen TAYLOR on the same page.

This website, indicates James the publican was Licensee  that pub from 1881 to 1883.
http://www.bristolslostpubs.com/page5.html

It wouldn't be out of the question for this James to have been brought up from the cradle to be a Carpenter, the family trade - but to then "go off" and do something else, only to return to his 'roots' later. Perhaps he was in the Army for the standard 20 or so years between 1857-1861 and 1877-1881?

The sticky point with this is, if James/Ellen and James/Emma are the same man, I can't find a death for Ellen AL*WAY* btw 1881 to 1901 who would fit.  Nearest was an Ellen ALLAWAY age 44, registered Dec 1883 Leicester.

One last thing - freeBMD has only one James AL*WAY* birth reg. Wellington from Sep 1837 to Dec 1840 - that of James ALWAY in 1838. I think the other one might be registered as HOLWAY in 1839. ( I have seen the name interchanged HALWAY/ALWAY). There are a lot of HOLWAY BMD's for Wellington Som, on FREEBMD.

So, I guess the start point is:
Birth cert of Sidney, Fred or Daisy to establish Emma's maiden name?

If you need details of any census I've referred to, please ask and I'll transcribe them.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Just a note, for elimination:
There was a James HOLWAY born 1839 Wellington, son of James and Mary.
This son James was a Thatcher, living with his parents in 1861. His older , married brother John, is on the same page .  And in 1881 he's still a Thatcher, living with his older brother John.

Cheers
AMBLY