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Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« on: Friday 03 October 08 14:19 BST (UK) »
Lookup Marriage - James Hains (aka Haines) to Hannah Flower   :-*  Devizes, Melksham Area

Lookup Parents - of the above and trying to confirm Hannah Flower's parents were Thomas & Sarah Flower who died at the same time in Jun Quarter 1840 - Death index VIII 261?

I think I may have the census 1841 - Civil Parish of Poulshot,Wiltshire (En District 5)

HO107/1182/8 Folio 4 Page 1

Everyone in Australia has their names as James Haines married to Hannah Flower and they had many children after they arrived in Australia, but the children born in Poulshot, Devizes, Melksham, St John, Wiltshire area were:

Mary abt 1836
Sarah abt 1838
Henry abt 1840
Ruth abt 1843
George abt 1844
Elizabeth abt 1847
Catherine abt 1850 (she was an infant when she arrived in South Australia in 1850)

I think I may have lucked into the correct census but I need you guys confirm this census is correct and to give the family a little more information.  Sorry - it's a tough one  :P

I've given it my best and it's as far as I can go for the family   :-\

 :-*   :-*   :-*   :-*

Gaynor50


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Re: Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 October 08 15:35 BST (UK) »
Hi, do you know where Hannah Flower was born or baptised.   In order to look up the marriage record it is necessary to know, as close as possible, where the bride was living.   Unfortunately there are a large number of parishes in the 'Devizes, Melksham Area'.

The parents died in the Melksham District - about ten parishes - but as the first child, I believe, was born in Poulshot I'll take a look in that parish next week.

Any further information to narrow the field would be most helpful.

Cheers Dave
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   Research:   Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.   Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire.  Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall.   Foster in Liverpoo.l   Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire.  Mawby, Popple in Rutland.   Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset.   Willis in Oxfordshire.   Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 October 08 23:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Dave

I only have an early South Australian biography piece that lists James and Hannah nee Flower as born in Devizes, Wiltshire.  As we cannot find their marriage certificate or their birth's it has been so hard to trace these two from Australia. 

As you say there are so many parishes in this area - no wonder we are strugling.   :o

Hannah is listed as born in 1815 while James is listed as 1816.  Their death cert's were of no help at all other than confirming approx the year of births.

Any help would be wonderful  :-*

Gaynor50

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Re: Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 October 08 15:19 BST (UK) »
OK, I'll have a look in Poulshot and Devizes next week.   Hope we're lucky.   There are about 60 parishes in Devizes Registration District but I think we can discount the ones furthest away from the town.

Dave
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   Research:   Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.   Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire.  Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall.   Foster in Liverpoo.l   Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire.  Mawby, Popple in Rutland.   Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset.   Willis in Oxfordshire.   Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire


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Re: Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 October 08 19:33 BST (UK) »
no luck with the wedding but ---------
hannah flowers baptised 2nd oct 1814 melksham.parents listed as thomas flowers and sarah
siblings include-
cecily bapt 10th may 1812
stephen bapt 26th aug 1821 but has a birth year of 1816 written in
ruth bapt 26th aug 1821
regards
alli
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somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo,rowswell,callow,marks
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens,bishop
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney

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Re: Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 October 08 19:37 BST (UK) »
all baptised poulshot wiltshire to parents james haines and hannah-
mary bapt 20th dec 1835
sarah bapt 14th jan 1838
ruth bapt 13th feb 1842
george bapt 4th aug 1844
elizabeth bapt 21st june 1846
william bapt 16th april 1848
catherine bapt 24th june 1849
hope this helps?
regards
alli
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somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo,rowswell,callow,marks
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens,bishop
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney

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Re: Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 October 08 00:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much Allibaker   :-*

I have family members reading the progress of the enquiry at RootsChat and they must be so excited with your reply.

Did you note what parish they were baptised under? 

One of the family members thought the parents could be Thomas & Sarah Flowers but could not get a confirmation etc.  Just to confirm that the name is spelt Flowers written with an S when you looked them up?

Got to be one of the most elusive marriages though.

A lot of people have been looking for a long time for this confirmation or any word of the family in England prior to their immigration to Australia.   :P

Many thanks  ;D

Gaynor50



 

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Re: Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 October 08 08:40 BST (UK) »
just to confirm the surname is spelt FLOWER NOT FLOWERS apologies for that.
recorded in melksham wiltshire the FHL NUMBER IS - 1279376
hope this helps?
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alli
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk.
somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo,rowswell,callow,marks
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens,bishop
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney

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Re: Lookup Marriage James HAINS/HAINES to Hannah FLOWER
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 October 08 08:53 BST (UK) »
hopefully davierj can help with the wedding but i do see what looks like hannah's parents wedding
thomas flower married sarah haywood 28th aug 1809 melksham wiltshire.FHL NUMBER 1279377
regards
alli
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk.
somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo,rowswell,callow,marks
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens,bishop
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney