George Briggs b1872/1873 pls help

[jlbriggs]

I posted a thread some time ago which Im trying to pick back up

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,249390.0.html

I seem to have come to a dead end and dont know where next to turn.
I have a marr cert 14/8/1902 for Geo Briggs aged 29 widower, gardner 17 Kilburn st, new shildon father John Briggs Farmer marries Elizabeth Airey 25 19 Kilburn st, no occupation, father William Airey, Engine Driver.  I can not find anything on the census as above and I am wanting to trace the birth of George to hopefully get a birth cert to find his mother but dont know how or where to start.  Cant find a prev marriage as a widower - I know from what I have been told that Geo died in the WW1 but cant find anything on CWGC or Ancestry war records.   Searched Familysearch, Freebmd, Freecen, Ancestry.  I just dont know what else to look at.  Have I come to a dead end??

[sillgen]

FreeBMD is not full coverage so you may need to look at the complete index.   Ecneps suggested on your earlier post that you get a birth certificate for a child.  Did you manage to do that?
Andrea

[heywood]

Hello,

going back to your earlier post- not sure if you ever found John Briggs in 1901 but he is in Nottingham at RG13; Piece: 3118; Folio: 46; Page: 5
and is a gardener - coincidence.

[jlbriggs]

no I didnt find John - Is he living alone in 1901?
IS there a john in 1891 in Nottingham? and if so anysign of Geo johns wife & children.
If find it strange not to find any prev wife of Geo either as widower but as he married in 1902 he may be married then or widowed but would anyone be kind enough to see if there is a geo in Notts 1901.......I found a marr last night of a John Briggs & Jane Bewick 1871 Auckland and wonder if this is the couple? I did my family tree last yr with relative ease but my husbands side is a real non starter and I find it so frustrating but many thanks for your help
 

[heywood]

I do apologise- the John in Notts is too young- he was born in Sandhutton according to 1891 but I realise that the ages don't work!
There are deaths 1881-1891 which are possibles for John, Mary Ann and young James so that won't help.
You mention an Airey witness at the marriage- who was the other one- would that help?
I think there is a suggestion of a birth certificate for the first child to check details re addresses, occupations there .. otherwise you may have to wait for 1911 census 

best wishes
heywood

[AMBLY]

Hi all

jlbriggs posted a another topic yesterday, to have another go at trying to find the odd-numbered address of Kilburn Street in New Shildon in 1901 (for the address' given by George BRIGGS and Elizabeth AIREY in 1902 when they married:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=341604.new#new

I  wasn't able to find them (the address') either but I did come up with something which is interesting - this was it:

Tell me, does the address: 19 Adelaide Street, New Shildon - figure in your family of BRIGGS, around the 1919 period......?

  The 1901 widower George BRIGGS [found at Temperance St in New Shildon] , had a son on the 1901 Census:  Frank H BRIGGS age 5 (abt 1895) b W. Hartlepool.

This son's birth was registered Harold Frank BRIGGS, Sep Qtr 1896, Hartlepool.
He was in WW1 in the Durham Light Infantry.
Enlisted 3 Sep 1915, age 19 yrs & 3 mths at Bishop Auckland
born Hartlepool, Durham
address as : 1 Wilkinsons Buildings, Old Shildon, Co. Dur.
Occupation Miner.
5'2" tall

He was discharged: 1st Apr 1919, to 19 Adelaide Street, New Shildon.

And here's the joyous part: It lists his NOK as :
George BRIGGS 6th Batt, D. L. I., 3rd Line, Morpeth, (father)
Elizabeth BRIGGS, South Church (mother) Bp Auckland

Cheers
AMBLY
 
 
 

[AMBLY]

jlbriggs,

I think you mentioned, as far as you were informed that:
George and Elizabeth had their 6 children, between 1902 and 1915 and there was no knowledge from your informant of there being older children from George's first marriage. It was also said that George died in WW1 but no confirmed record found of this.  Who was your source of all this info - his son John? or his grandson John?

In light of Harold Frank BRIGGS giving one of his NOK as an Elizabeth - and asking "is this Elizabeth AIREY who may have raised him from the age of abt 6?"    It would be well to try and establish who lived at 19 Adelaide Street in 1915 to 1920, say.  Electoral Rolls perhaps.   Also be interesting to find out the address of birth for your George and Elizabeth's last 2 children Mary and Albert/Alfred.

I have also found, the elder son of George BRIGGS the widower found in Temperance Street in 1901,  Henry C BRIGGS - was in full : Henry Carl BRIGGS.  He joined  the Canadian army and was killed in WW1 age 29.  He was married.

http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierDetail.asp?Id=11004
http://shrinkalink.com/27732

Cheers
AMBLY

[heywood]

This is really interesting Ambly- well done 

[jlbriggs]

That really ties in as George 1872 we are talking about  had a son (william) with Elizabeth who emmigrated to CAnanda (step brother to henry) so that would be too much of a coincidence.  With respect to George dying in WW1 this came from Grandson (my hubbys dad) that he died in WW1 but there was thoughts of him disappearing and there was problems with claiming his pension.  My hubbys dad john married his cousin (marys daughter jane) who is still alive but unfortuantely family problems so cant ask her this info so unfortunately going off stories and limited info...I think this all ties in and you have been great ambley and a year of being sat on the shelf has been brought back alive.  I found a george Briggs b1872 in Hartlepool after your 1st post and sending off for his birth cert and hoping if John is the father I have my man.  I found a John Briggs b1842 in Hartlepool married to a Hannah Dunn but folloeing throug the 1881 census there was no George living there but all seemed to tie in.  Also another tie in is the children that enceps found one is born in Shipley in W Yorks - George briggs (son of george 1872 moved to shipley and married to produce my hubbys father John briggs thats too coincidental also) you re a star thank you SO SO much
Many many thanks for all your help.