Gerald Davies Humphreys

[lorrainec]

I don't have the birth cert yet.... only just found out that Gerald had a daughter!  I have not found them on the census' but I do have Gerald, Florence and Herve (son) sailing out to Grenada in 1898, no other children are mentioned, then Gerald sailing to England in 1903 alone!  Herve shows up in Canada in 1920 to marry a Canadian girl.

Very confusing and frustrating ....

[lizdb]

Here is Gerald  D and his family. in 1891

RG12 603 29 57
7 Morton Rd Mitcham
Gerald D Humphrey 24 Clerk bn W Indies
Florence A 23 bn St John
Henry? ? ? G D 1 bn Croydon
Catherine L 4mths bn Merton
Caroline Cope visitor widow

As he has a 4 mth old daughter called Catherine L, it is impossible that he then had another daughter born Ap/May/jun 1891- isnt it? which they call Doris Catherine(though I confess I have forgotten exact date of 1891 census, to work out if Doris and Catherine could possibly be one and the same)

Does Doris really belong to Gerald and family?

Be interetsed to hear what birth cert says

[lizdb]

You said you wanted more info on Gerald.

Here is his mariage (from FreeBMD)

Jul/Aug/Sep 1888
Croydon
2a 419
 bride that fits - Florence Aimie Snell

Getting the cert will give you Geralds fathers name and occupation (you hope) and so will make it easier to trace him

But be sure you are on to the right guy - if it is Doris's father you want then get her birth cert first!

[lorrainec]

Fantastic!  Will get those certs right away!  Whoopee!
Lorraine

[AMBLY]

Hi Lorraine

Ah!  Now I reconise the name 
I didn'r twig - sorry Lorraine, I  took your reply on the earlier topic abt Gerald,  to mean you had subsequently seen  the 1891 for him
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=344047.new;topicseen#new

You mentioned on the other topic that Gerald's parents were named George and Catherine.
Was this information gleaned from Herve's 1921 marriage record in Ontario Canada perhaps? Or his 1944 death in British Columbia?

The HUMPHREY's CHEESMAN marriage (no E ofter the S)  is a distinct possibility for Doris......

FREEBMD BIRTHS:
Mar Qtr 1912 - Watford (Herts)  3a 1669
Barbara D CHEESMAN
Mother's surname HUMPHREYS   

Cheers
AMBLY

[lorrainec]

Yes it's me!

I got Gerald's father's name, George from Gerald's marriage cert.   George Humphreys is listed as a Merchant.  Some discussion that George was in the military, which may explain why Gerald's birth place is put down as West Indies on the 1891 census.  Maybe George was a merchant navy man, or spice merchant and made stops in the West Indies and ... there begot Gerald!

On the birth cert of Herve, Gerald's son, Gerald is listed as commercial clerk.

Still no luck in finding Gerald's birth cert.  Odd, because "Gerald" doesn't seem to be a very popular name.

Lorraine

[AMBLY]

Hi Lorraine

You'VE mentioned that Herve showed up in Canada in 1920, getting married as H. Gerald Davies HUMPHREYS to Eula ALLEN in Dryden Ontario (it says Herve later on in record to, but it is headed and Indexed as H. Gerald...) I looked at the record (in library) : Do you think it says "Geo", as his father's first name?  I wonder if it's possible Gerald's  official first name was actually George, but he preferred Gerald......

Herve had left England in 1912 - have you already got that record?

Outgoing manifest on FindMyPast (Find My Past)
H G Davies HUMPHREYS b 1889, departed Bristol 1912 bound for Montreal Quebec.

Incoming manifest to Canada:
Herve** G HUMPHREYS age 23, English,  single, has been to Canada before
Going to Dryden, Ontario - intended occupation: Farmer
Occupation in England: Farmer
Arrived 14 Aug 1912 on the "Royal George"
(** it is Herve with the inflection mark thingy, but has been mitakenly indexed as Henri)

That puts him in Canada before WW1.

And mother, Florence A HUMPHREYS had arrived in Quebec 1915, on board the Megatama age 48, (b abt 1867)  going to her son in Dryden Ontario, She was noted as a Settler".
I think FindMyPast has this one misindexed as Florence HUMPHREYS b 1878, Megatama, 1915 departing Liverpool, destination Montreal - not sure if anything on the outgoing manifest would give any clues?

I wondered, since you do already have the marriage cert for Gerald and Florence, who the witness' were and what his address was?

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

You also mentioned, Gerald, Florence and Herve had gone to Grenada ex Southamptom, in 1898.
Gerald appears to have made a trip to Grenada ex. Liverpool in 1896 too - indexed as G D HUMPHREYS.

Now this is really  interesting:  National Archives Kew
http://shrinkalink.com/28023
".......CO 101  Colonial Office and predecessors: Grenada, Original Correspondence"
"Covering dates 31 Mar 1865"
"Mr. J. H. Hill appointed Police Magistrate, Western District, replacing Mr. Hickson; related enclosures: includes a letter from Mundy to Walker forwarding the names of several candidates for the post .........Mr. George Humphreys [merchant and in the Commission of the Peace]; ...........Lieutenant Governor Mundy, forwarded by James Walker, Governor of Windward Islands, Grenada No. 238, Folios 134 - 14

Right before Gerald's suposed birth year of approx 1866 too......Windward Islands, Grenada?

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Running with the National Archives  "HUMPHREYS Granada"

GERALD??
http://shrinkalink.com/28024
CO 321  Colonial Office: Windward Islands Original Correspondence
Covering dates 1903
W A S Hellyan & Co (G Humphreys tenancy of Mount Royal, Grenada);

GEORGE??
http://shrinkalink.com/28029
CO 101  Colonial Office and predecessors: Grenada, Original Correspondence
Covering dates 15 Oct 1860
Mr. George Humphrey; appointed temporarily as Venezuelan Consul during Samuel Cockburn's absence.
Lieutenant Governor Cornelius Hendricksen Kortright, forwarded by Francis Hincks, Governor of Windward Islands, Grenada .......

http://shrinkalink.com/28025
CO 101  Colonial Office and predecessors: Grenada, Original Correspondence
Covering Dates 28 Nov 1868
....... Mr. George Humphreys as Acting Auditor.
Andrew Munro, Acting Administrator of Grenada, forwarded by Robert Millar Mundy, Lieutenant Governor of Grenada and Acting Administrator of the Windward Islands, Grenada.....

GEORGE - oops??
http://shrinkalink.com/28031
CO 321  Colonial Office: Windward Islands Original Correspondence
Covering dates 2 Sep 1874
Resignation of Mr. Humphreys, Chief Clerk in the Treasury Department, under"circumstances which render it desirable that he should not be re-employed in the public service." Mr. Humphreys was charged with being"under the influence of liquor and incapable of performing his duties at 11 A.M. on that day." The council met to consider the charge but Mr. Humphreys failed to attend and instead gave in his resignation..........."

http://shrinkalink.com/28030
CO 321  Colonial Office: Windward Islands Original Correspondence
Covering Dates 30 Aug 1878
Complaint from Mr. George Humphreys regarding omission of his name from the list of members of the Commission of the Peace; Humphreys was given no indication that he would have his name removed from the list of members of Commission of the Peace, he can see no reason why this action would have been taken, and has suffered humiliation as a result.
Administrator Kerr forwarded by George Dundas, Windward Islands, Grenada .....

http://shrinkalink.com/28028
CO 321  Colonial Office: Windward Islands Original Correspondence
Covering dates: 10 Feb 1879
Memorial to the Secretary of State from ....... [George ?] Humphreys and J. H. Ward, referring to their former memorials on being removed from the Commission of the Peace;.....

Also these - may not be connected
J L Humphreys (lease of cocoa lands, Grenada); Date: 1900.
Will of Roderick Humphreys Island of Grenada, West Indies Date: 1812.
C O Humphreys & Sons 1923

http://rulers.org/rulb1.html
BARBADOS  1833 -        1885 
part of the Windward Islands (with the governor of Barbados also governor of the Windward Islands)

WINDWARD ISLANDS - WIKI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Windward_Islands
The British Windward Islands was a British colony existing between 1833 and 1960 and consisting of the islands of Grenada, St Lucia, Saint Vincent, the Grenadines, Barbados (seat of the governor to 1885, when it became a separate colony), Tobago (to 1889 when it was joined to Trinidad), and Dominica (from 1940, when it was transferred from the British Leeward Islands to the Windward Islands).

Cheers
AMBLY