COMPLETED - Elizabeth Anne CRABB (Exeter 1850)

[doctorbob]

Hi

Does anyone have any links to Eliza? She married Hugo Francis Hawkins, a cook in the RN on HMS Himalaya in 1862 in Plymouth. They settled in Portsea and had Francis, Kate and Ada ((1878, Ada died at 18). This means she was very young when they married.

Kate married Charles Fletcher (my g-parents) in 1901.

From the census data I see a large pocket of the Crabb famliy in the Bridport area ... was this a branch which moved up to Exeter?

Any help or pointers would be very helpful.

Thanks

Rob

[Necromancer]

assuming you have her on a census - whats her vital stats - and do you want her tracked back to parents etc pre marriage ?

[Necromancer]

no worries, I see from the 1881 she was born c1844, Exeter...

RG11/1160; Folio: 102; Page: 5 - Portsea Island

[Necromancer]

I notice that you interchanged Eliza and Elizabeth - so this may well be her pre-marriage ?

1861 - RG9/1440; Folio: 106; Page: 12 - Plymouth St Andrew
15, Granby Street

 
Samuel Crabb 40  Head Shoemaker Devon, Coryton or Colyton ?
Sarah Crabb 38  Wife Ottery St Mary
Elizabeth Crabb 18  dau 'with her Mother' Exeter
John Crabb 15  son Bootmaker do
William Crabb 13  son scholar Devonport
Lousia Crabb 11  dau do

Joseph Dean 21  Lodger
Richard Taylor 31  Lodger


Added: No IGI for Samuel Crabb in Colyton, only a chap in Tarrington a bit older (1816) ... a 'submitted' record shows a marriage to a Sarah in Ottery St Mary in 1841, and refns the 1816 Tarrington Samuel - I think some verification would be needed, or the 1851 / 1841 might help ...


This civil record of a marriage looks better - given its in Exeter, just before the kids were born ..

Marriages Jun 1843 
 
CORNALL  Mary   
Crabb  Samuel      Exeter  v10 p159   
Crook  Mary     
Luxton  Thomas     
MORRISH  William     9   
Reed  Robert     
SMITH  Elizabeth     
WHITE  Sarah      Exeter  v10 p159   

[Necromancer]

No kids from 1862 till 1871 Francis in Portsea ?


maybe 1871 will show more ?

[Necromancer]

1851 confirms our man is a bit older than he said in 1861 - and indeed from Tarrington ..

HO107/1882; Folio: 49; Page: 1 - Devonport, Stoke Dameral
7, Websters ~~, south
 
Samuel Crabb 35  Head Labourer Devon, Tarrington
Sarah Crabb 30  Wife Ottery St Mary
Elisabeth Crabb 9 dau Exeter
John Crabb 6  son do
William Crabb 4  son  Devonport
Louisa Crabb 1  dau do


the IGI has no batches for Tarrington, so the original PRs would need to be sought out - doubtless others on here have access or ideas ...

[doctorbob]

Hi,

I was surprised there were no kids before Francis ...

The Marriage is definitely 1862 ... but, maybe he was "at sea" for a while ... this was the time of various "wars".

I saw the Colyton one ... I was checking through the various Hawkins births, and matching up any "early" deaths,
with the assumption that perhaps they lost a number of their first children (always possible).

The census records always say Eliza, but I was reckoning that perhaps before that she would have been listed as Elizabeth.

I don't seem to be able to find that 1861 record you have? Very strange ... I am using GR (not Ancestry) ... hmm ...



Rob


 

[Necromancer]

By 1891, it seems that Francis Hawkins has a new partner ?

Cant see a death record for Eli* in the immediate area tho - nor a 'new' marriage ...

RG12/859; Folio 97; Page 8 - Portsea
8, Upper Cressy Place
 
Francis Hawkins 41  Head Cook Devon, Plymouth
Olive Hawkins 41  Wife Taunton
Francis Hawkins 19  son Tram Conductor Portsmouth
Ada Hawkins 12  dau do
Kate Hawkins 12 dau do

[doctorbob]

Hi

Yes, this OLIVE is a strange one ... I looked at the original and I think it's a transcription error. But, it looks much more like ALICE, definitely not Eliza or Olive.

So, did Eliza (nee Crabb) die? I have not found another MC for Hugo (or maybe he was going by Francis then).

I find this very confusing now ... so, were Francis, Kate and Ada from Eliza? Or do we have a new maternal line to chase?

And how come Francis now says he was born Plymouth not Ireland (see 1881)

And why can I not find RG9/1440 on GR ... I find RG9/1442 which has a different Elizabeth Crabb ... hmm ... should I fire a message to them about missing data?

My brain hurts, again!

Rob