John Williams - Sarah Leonard

[Valley]

Hi
I was hoping somebody may be able to help with this

John Williams born 1834/5 Wrexham Denbigshire he married Sarah Leonard in Liverpool 1857  before sailing to Australia where there fist son was born 1859. I have birth cert from Australia states they were born Ruabon? The son was called John Isaac
I have tried the 1841 cencus but I cant find him and would love to know who his parents were
Sarah Leonard also Ruabon 1839/ 40 also cant seem to find her or her family on 1841 cencus
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
Val

[Gadget]

Hi Val 

The 1841 census for the Wrexham area (including Ruabon) is missing so if they are in the area in 1841, you won't find them. We all have this problem with our lines here   

I'll check the Ruabon parish registers for you but John Williams is not that unusual. It might be that you have to get the marriage cert of 1857 to find a father's name for him

Sarah Leonard should be easier - unless the family were non-conformist


Gadget

[Isobelruss]

Theres only 1 in Wales that matches in Panteague Monmouthshire
Sarah Leonard 2
father John 40 forge man not born in county
Mary 35 wife from county
William 17
Eliza 14
Theophilus 12
Sarah 2
address Lower Place
HO107 0749 fol 21 p 36

On 51 same family mother Mary Ann and Sarah D Leonard

[Gadget]

HI

The North Wales BMD has only one Sarah - 1838, Ruabon Sub-district

GRO index is Dec Q, 1838, Wrexham vol 27 page 242

There is only one baptism entry for a Sarah at St Johns, Rhosymedre (which was part of Ruabon Parish until 1844) . It's a bit later but it might be a possible late baptism:

23 Sept 1845 d/o Thomas Leonard (mill manager) and Margaret. Abode  - Acrefair

If this isn't a late baptism, the family could be non-conformist and not show in the parish records.



Gadget

[Gadget]

The best I can do for you for John Williams are these baptisms - St Mary's, Ruabon


18 May 1834 John Philip s/o John Williams (sadler) and Margaret. Abode - Rhosymedre
29 Nov 1835 John s/o John Williams (labourer) and Harriet. Abode - Plas yn Fron


I think the 1857 marriage cert might be the only way of making sure of the parents' details.


Regards


Gadget

[Valley]

Hi
Thanks for info I was just looking at a few bits and bobs and found they 1841 is missing thats why maybe I could not find them.
I have found a marriage in Liverpool for Sarah Leonard but no John Williams JFM Qtr 1838 8b 246 but dont think this is her. Just going to try freeBMD

Val

[Gadget]

Hi Val 

I thought you said Sarah was b,. Ruabon not Liverpool

I gave the GRO ref for Sarah, b. Ruabon in 1838 in my previous message (Reply #3)   


Gadget

[Valley]

Opps got my dates wrong

[Valley]

Hi
they married in Liverpool before sailing to Australia in 1858 /9 both born in Ruabon dont know why they married in Liverpool I had my dates mixed up for marriage in last mail