Author Topic: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ  (Read 58856 times)

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New thread      Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
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Thomas MCNALLY (RANSOM) - born 1820 in Hobart, Tasmania. 
                                             died 20 March 1904 Launceston.    named as Thomas RANSOM
 We are trying to establish if he was the son of Thomas RANSOM (Died 1829) who, with partner Catherine Christiana MCNALLY ran the 'Joiner's Arms' Hobart, and the 'Royal Oak', Green Ponds.  Thomas Snr was convicted and transported in 1791. 
 
Thomas would have been 80 when Thomas was born, but the story and the connections are all there - we just want to prove the two Thomas's are father and son!     ::)
In Thomas Snr's   will, Catherine is named as Thomas  mother - and he is called MCNALLY throughout, when he is named as a beneficiary.   Thomas and Catherine are buried in the same grave at Cullenswood.
We've obtained T. RANSOM  death certificate, (but no parents named, no wife named, no children named.)  The dates do match though!!  ;)   He was a widower and he had 15 children!! His wife was Sarah Stanfield and they lived at Killymoon near Fingal, Tasmania.

If anyone can throw any light on this it would be great -  births weren't registered until 1846 so it would be a late addition anyway. 

 Maybe someone has knowledge of a name change for Thomas.     ???       :-*

Wiggy     :)

Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Please can someone help us? RANSOM Thomas 1821
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 11:27 BST (UK) »
Wiggy,

Have you checked the church baptismal records for the area in which they lived?

Often these can be repositories of inforamtion that has not been transcribed into official registers.

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Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
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Re: Please can someone help us? RANSOM Thomas 1821
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 11:46 BST (UK) »
Call me crazy :) but it seems to me Thomas, born 1821 is more  likely to be the grandson of the elder Thomas.

Could Catherine McNally be the daughter of Thomas and therefore nee Ransom ::)
If Thomas snr was transported 1791 and died 1829 aged 80, he would have been abt 50 when he arrived in Australia.

Where was he from?


Trish
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: Please can someone help us? RANSOM Thomas 1821
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 23:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish and Robyn,  Thanks for your suggestions!

 Grandson seems more likely doesn't it!     ;)   Thomas Snr must have been a lusty fellow!! :P
I'd not even thought through to the grandson bit though, because the other story is so firmly in the family history and backed up by newspaper reports!   (not that you can believe everything you read   ::)  )

Thomas Snr - from London,  about 48 when convicted at the Old Bailey.   Catherine McNally - may have come from the West Indies - hard to find a trace on her.   She was about 50 years younger than Thomas (and about 13 years older than her second husband Frederick Von Stieglitz).    But the story is all there, except hard evidence of Thomas Jnr's parentage

Haven't been to London birth registers yet - am still trying to get a line on them.   

Might have to take a trip to Tasmania myself someday, for Thomas Jnr's birth particulars.!  I wonder, would he have  been registered in a church?    -    given that he was born 'out  of wedlock'   ;)   as far as we know.

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Please can someone help us? RANSOM Thomas 1821
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 03:45 BST (UK) »
This could take a while to research so I am just going to type up what I have found so far :)

Births RANSOM, Mother Sarah Stanfield

F Ransom, 1845        ( F, born Avoca)
F Ransom, 1847        ( F, born Avoca)
Frederick Thomas Ransom, 1850 ( M, Fingal)
Thomas, 1852            ( M, Fingal)   
M Ransom, 1853         (M,Fingal)   

Marriage/relationship 1845 Clarence, Tasmania to Thomas RansoN
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Re: Please can someone help us? RANSOM Thomas 1821
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 03:55 BST (UK) »
Children of ANN ??? Ransom and Francis William or Walter VON STEIGLITZ, born 1811


Lewis Frederick, 1841
F                      1842                ( F, born Avoca)
Selina Anne, 1849
Florence Elizabeth, 1854
Mary Jane, 1854


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Re: Please can someone help us? RANSOM Thomas 1821
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 04:10 BST (UK) »
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Re: Please can someone help us? RANSOM Thomas 1821
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 04:24 BST (UK) »
Christina McNally and Frederick STEIGLITZ seem to have a relationship too in 1830.

Could Catherine and Thomas snr have had children reg. under McNally and Ransom???
Have fun will look at this again later.

Cheers, Trish
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Re: Please can someone help us? RANSOM Thomas 1821
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 May 09 09:21 BST (UK) »
Yep - all correct so far! Those Ransom children are the offspring of Thomas Junior.   

Catherine married Frederick Von Steiglitz and her daughter married Frederick's brother - very complicated.  We can't find the birth evidence for either Ann (abt 1817 - 1892) or her brother Thomas (1821-1904) - that's what we really need!  Ann doesn't rate a mention in Thomas Snr's will -( usual for those times maybe?),   but we believe both she and Thomas are T Snr's children - if only we can prove it!! 

Keep up the good work folks - I am grateful!    :)

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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