COOK/GILL families

[JACKEROO]

have been tracing my family, lucy cook, father robert cook, mother fanny gill, of robert and fanny, nothing is much known, i would like to trace parents of robert cook, and also fanny gill,
to see if they had any siblings, i know nothing of these 2, robert or fanny except they had a lotof children, my grandmother lucy, louisa, william,  frederick, richard , louisa and richard died young,
would appreciate anyhelp or information for robert and fanny
thanks 

[cando]

Hi Deidre

Did you download a family history programme eg PAF to which you could load the gedcom I did for this family last year?  I no longer have the it on my hard drive as I assumed you would want the information in the file.

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

It was a William Alfred Mobbs COOK who married Fanny GILL and named as father on the birth of their first child, Sarah Annie on 12 May 1881 a couple of months after their marriage and then the father is named as Robert on the registrations of the remaining 7 children.  Are William A M and Robert the same person? 

COOK William A M 20 years  Single Father Alfred M COOK
GILL Fanny 21 years years  Single  Father Richard GILL
2 Mar 1881
At Wesleyan Church Pirie St Adelaide   Ade 126/1004

Death
COOK William Alfred
14 Sep 1938  78 years  Widower
Residence Bowden on the Hill  Death Place Adelaide  Ade H 606/4134

I have given you this information previously

COOK Alfred Mobbs  Parents - John and Sarah born 1830 Little Gransden CAM ENG and died 1911 Adelaide SA
Buried at  Payneham SA  He arrived 1855 on the CAROLINE He was a Labourer and Greengrocer and lived at Nth Adelaide, Malvern.   Religion Church of England and Cong.
He married Sarah nee DUTTON who was born 1830 Ghertsey SRY ENG.  She died  16 Aug 1892 Malvern SA and is buried in West Terrace Cemetery.
Their children -  Ann Sarah Jane THOMPSON [1850-1913], Alfred Herbert John [1853-], William Alfred Mobbs [1860-1938], Louisa Emma [1865-], George Dutton [1867-1934], Henry [1867-1937], Charles Edward [1871-]


South Australian Electoral Roll 1909
COOK William A M  Walter Street, Maitland   Agent.

and his father

COOK Alfred Mobbs, Kingston Avenue, Mitcham   No occupation.

2nd marriage and Fanny GILL had another child after this date with father named as Robert COOK.

COOK William Alfred Mobbs  30 years  Status Widower Father Alfred Mobbs COOK
SAMUEL Mary Ann 31 years  Status Single  Father John SAMUEL
20 Apr 1891
At Registry Office Adelaide  Ade  167/550

Births to this couple
COOK Daphne Vera Blossie
9 Sep1901
Father William Alfred Mobbs COOK   Mother Mary Anne SAMUEL
At Keswick   Ade 683/60

COOK Arthur Charles
8 Jun 1903
Father William Alfred Mobbs COOK   Mother Mary Ann SAMUEL
At Keswick  Ade 712/184

Births to Fanny GILL and Robert COOK after 1891

COOK Robert
1 Jun 1892
Father Robert COOK  Mother Fanny GILL
At Paradise  Nor 502/168

COOK Lucy
30 Aug 1893
Father Robert COOK  Mother Fanny GILL
At Paradise  Nor 528/466

and then or course the subject of much searching

DAVEY Elsie Henderson
27 Oct 1916
Father Thomas Henderson DAVEY  Mother Lucy COOK
At Kent Town   Nor 988/3

CORK Robert James Larry
7 Jun 1923
Father Frederick James Elliott CORK   Mother Lucy COOK DAVEY
At Medindie  Ade 116A/256

The death of Robert b. 1892 but is this the death of the man Robert COOK named as father aged 45 in the same area

COOK Robert
14 Nov 1892
Age 5 months  Status Child  Relative Robert COOK - Father
Residence Paradise  Death Place Paradise  Nor  205/441

COOK Robert
18 Dec 1893
45 years  Status Not known  Relative not recorded
Residence Highbury Paradise  Death Place Highbury Paradise  Nor 215/245

Fanny GILL was not born in South Australia and I cannot identify her father Richard in BISA.

Cheers
Cando

[krisesjoint]

To avoid duplication here are links some previous threads

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,195994.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,178365.0.htmlok
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,209813.0.html

Cheers Kris 

[cando]

Thanks Kris.....I did a gedcom on this family which I am positive included this information.  I am definitely not going any further forward.  There will be a bit of a problem finding anything about Robert as he is not the man that Fanny GILL married in 1881.

Perhaps there has been a problem with loading the gedcom onto a family history program.  If so, then I can't help as I no longer have a copy of the file.

Cando

[krisesjoint]

Yes I was also convinved Fanny's husband was not the father of these children. They are certainly 2 different men.

I suspect Robert COOK may have arrived 24 Sep 1865 aboard the ELECTRIC

Fanny GILL may have arrived 14 May 1879 aboard the DURHAM

The passenger lists would need to be consulted for ages, origins etc to see if they are in fact likely matches.

Jackeroo, I am afraid that if you are not entering all the information you have been provided with in a program you can easily consult, there is little any of us can do to help you. We have all put a lot of work into your lookups and we just can't keep going over the same things again and again.

Cheers Kris 

[cando]

http://dcw.onkaparingacity.com/webdata/resources/grave/COOK_FANNY___ROB.jpg

Deidre a picture speaks a thousand words.  You mentioned on a previous thread Fanny and Robert were buried at Coromandel Valley Cemetery.  Jenn disproved it and gave you the marriage of the couple who are buried there.  I hope you passed the information on to your relatives in South Australia and they are not thinking the above headstone is for their ancestor.

Fanny's 2nd marriage and death at Athelstone as a MADER in 1906 also rules out the above burial.

And that's about it.

Cando

[JACKEROO]

FIRST if i knew whether this william mobs book and robert cook were the same person i would not be confused as i now am,
robert and fanny are not buried at coramandel cemetery, this i also know,
the relatives on the davey side know nothing of lucy cook/davey family history and were never told anything like me, they thought like me they were the only family of andre brian davey, and did not know about h aving any living relatives and were quite surprised and confused when i contacted them,

[cando]

Deidre I am convinced that William Alfred Mobbs COOK and Robert COOK aren't the same person. 

William Alfred Mobbs and Fanny GILL did marry in 1881 and obviously it didn't last.  Robert COOK moved in and fairly smartly by the look of things. 

You will see that they only married a couple of months before the birth of Sarah. William A M was only 20 years old and probably far too immature for marriage anyway   Both William A M and Fanny were a tad naughty in declaring themselves to be widow/widower on their 2nd marriages when they definitely weren't.   They both committed bigamy unless they had divorced.

I agree it has been a difficult journey for you in researching your family.

Did you manage to download PAF from the family search website and load the gedcom I sent you?

Cheers
Cando