Thanks Bob
It's amazing something as small as the letter K and C can give me problems. It was so obvious really looking under K, but it didn't dawn on me until recently lol.
Yes that's the family maidmarianoops, and yes I do already have this
.There is also a an Ellen Papa in the house 1901 widowed( turns out she was Mary's Aunt- I've traced Mary's family line right back to the 1841 census - comes from a long line of mariners -pilot boat family).
I originally traced backwards from the 1901 census. I have him and his family in all censuses from 1881, 1891 and 1901. In 1881 he was on a docked ship in plymouth- no way to really tell if it his him in that 1881 census except that there is a Charles Carlsen on a ship stating birth place For Russia. At the same time Mary wife is by herself with Charles Carlsen the son and oldest daughter Mary Maud. They have two Mary daughters. The oldest Mary is not in that 1901 census,- Oldest Mary left home after the 1891, to marry in 1898 a Hamely. Anyway, it seems he was there in the UK in 73 now when they got married, so I'm looking around at 71 census for him, can't find him so far, but he may not be there in the UK in 71 yet or he's out to sea if he is.
Christina Carlsen is my hubby's great grandmother, died at a young age too from a heart condition, and heart failure, so hubby's gran never knew her ( was brought up by a step mother) and always wanted to find out more about her real mum .
Her father,Christina's husband, never told her much about her mum, or where she was even buried. We found her grave recently. It's a real pity though, my hubby's gran died just a few years ago, she would have really loved to have known more about her mum Christina and her Grandparents Charles Carlsen. She spent her life wondering about it.
Christina, gran's mum, was a mystery to her, and even rumours of her getting killed by a horse, or even running off to Sweden and abandoning the kids
( They, gran and the kids thought she was an immigrant, but she was born in swansea, it was Christina's father Charles who was the immigrant) - all which turned out to be not true. She died in her house from a heart failure, and her husband ( gran's father) reported it, so I don't know why he never told his daughter the truth - that she died from heart failure at their home.
That's a mystery to me, why there was a mystery about her in the first place , and why the "odd" stories about running off, or the horse story. Also why gran's father never told her the truth where she was buried. hubby's gran aways wanted to know more about her mum.
He kept it all from her.
- very strange
Hubby's gran just knew her uncle Carlsen when she was small ( I think) -I know she knew her cousin carlsen's.
I also have small picture of Christina, where she looks to be about 18, she died in 1912 ( have death cert) when hubby's gran was just 3 year old , born in June 1885 ( have birth cert, that's I how know Mary's maiden name is Johnson).
I think Charles comes from what is know as Finland today. The family always though Sweden for some reason ( maybe because they thought Carlsen sounded Swedish). But reading through Finland's history ,swedes settled there too. Finland ceded to Russia in the early 1800's before gaining it's Independence back in the early 1900's - I think. I'm still only beginning to read up on the history of Finland, and not very knowledgable in Finland's history yet . Charles was born around 1850 and at that time would be under Russian control by the looks of things, in 1891he put down the place name Christ "something"
Christina is spelled CarlsEn on her birth cert, and on her marriage cert. Some of the other siblings, and offspring of the siblings ( and heads death) are registered on the BMD's sometimes as Carlson, some Carlsen like her and her brother
1881 the wife "Mary Johnson" is using Callison on the census
They are all using the O and the E spelling . For example one of the sisters was born Carlsen but marries under Carlson( or the other way around , I can't remember) . On the gravestone of Charles Carlsen Junior it is etched as Carlsen. The head Charles has no gravestone, but death is registered as Carlson. He is in an unmarked grave right next to his son Charles Carlsen's marked headstone grave, where Christina Evans ( her married name) is buried too with her father Charles Carlson and mother Mary Carlson( nee johnson) , and also a little baby surname hamley, which I found out later it's her sisters child ( I found out who was in the grave from the cemetery department as it's an unmarked grave)
I was always searching for them and finding them with the variations of Carlsen for this reason, beginning with a C. Now I find that Charles married Mary Johnson under Karlson.
So I don't really know which is the correct original spelling. It may even be something like Karlisson- sen etc originally and he has just changed the name over the years to Carlsen.
And I thought I was coming to a dead end on this line. I was getting nowhere with Charles Carlsen. You should never give up, something always turns up when you're least expecting it .
Confused ? I am
lol It took me ages to trace all this family.
I wish he came from Norway and not where I think he may come from; Finland. I've been browsing the Norway archives. It looks if they hold some good records for that country.
