Which Roman Catholic Parishes please?

[margaret1]

I am now ready to research my Irish ancestors and require some help please, to get started.

After searching the http://www.rootsireland.ie/  site, I think I've found a marriage entry in 1853 for my 2x great grandparents, Patrick Quinn and Margaret Leonard.

Also, there are a few entries for possible baptism/births for them in 1815 and 1825 respectively, so before I outlay £5, per entry, I was wondering if anyone could tell me which Roman Catholic Parishes, St John and Coan  belong to please? (1815 – 1853).

I have conflicting information regarding the names of Patrick Quinn’s parents also, which makes it difficult to be sure of the correct entry.

I was wondering if anyone knows if the parent’s names of the bride and groom were recorded on the Marriage records pre civil registration?

I have also posted here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,479772.0.html

Thank you,

Margaret

[shanew147]

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....I was wondering if anyone could tell me which Roman Catholic Parishes, St John and Coan  belong to please? (1815 – 1853).

St. John is a civil and RC parish in Kilkenny City. Coan doesn't sound familiar.

see maps of the RC Parishes and Civil Parishes (Irish Times Family History)

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... I was wondering if anyone knows if the parent’s names of the bride and groom were recorded on the Marriage records pre civil registration?
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sometimes - but not that often in earlier records. Some RC parish registers for marriages include many details e.g. father, mother etc, others record just the father's name (as per civil records), and others record no details on parents.


Shane

[margaret1]

St. John is a civil and PC parish in Kilkenny City. Coan doesn't sound familiar.

see maps of the RC Parishes and Civil Parishes (Irish Times Family History)

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... I was wondering if anyone knows if the parent’s names of the bride and groom were recorded on the Marriage records pre civil registration?
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sometimes - but not that often in earlier records. Some RC parish registers for marriages include many details e.g. father, mother etc, others record just the father's name (as per civil records), and others record no details on parents.


Shane

   
Darn, Coan or Coon or Corn Kilkenny was recorded on the passenger list for Margaret Quinn's, native place and county. I must admit the writing was hard to read.

Thank you for your help - I think I'll download the marriage entry and check out the maps.

This is a good start 

Margaret

[shanew147]

You can search the town and townland names in Ireland on the townland database at : www.thecore.com/seanruad

I didn't see anything promising..


Shane

[Pastmagic]

Could it be Croan? 3. Km outside Kilkenny?

If it is, the following may be of interest:

http://www.shirleyassociation.com/NewShirleySite/NonMembers/Ireland/Lineages/pedigrees_johnofcroan_kilkenny.html


PM

[Pastmagic]

Just notice two townlands in Griffit's Valuations  in Kilkenny

Coan East, townland, Civl Parish Dysart.  Coan West, ditto. No Quinns in either: A Barabra in the Civil Parish.


Quinn    Barbara    Dysart    Smithstown



Full list of Dysart, including East and West Coen:

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/kilkenny/dysart.php



The nearest town is Castlecomber (sp)

Coon or Coan RC Church & Graveyard, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. Photographs

http://www.kilkennygenealogy.com/graves/coon/b/index.htm

has 3 Quinn gravestones.

[Pastmagic]

DYSART

    "Dysart", a parish, in the barony of Fassadining, county of Kilkenny, and province of Leinster, 2 1/4 miles (S.) from Castlcomer, on the road to Kilkenny; containing 2501 inhabitants. This parish is situated on the river Dinin; and comprises 2606 statute acres. It is a vicarage, in the diocese of Ossory, appropriate to the vicars choral of the cathedral of St. Canice, Kilkenny; the rectory is impropriate in the representatives of Sir James Tynte, Bart. There is no church; the parishioners attend divine worship at Mothell. In the R. C. divisions it forms part of the union or district of Muckalee. About 90 children are eductaed in a public school.
    [From A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)]

Church Records
Civil Parish: Dysart. RC Parish: Muckalee, later part Castlecomer
Muckalee - Earliest Records: b. Oct 1801; m. Apr 1809.
Castlecomer - Earliest Records: b. Jan 1812; m. Aug 1842

Cross reference to Family History Library microfilm (double-check with the Library)

    Civil       Roman Catholic   Time       FHLC
    parish      parish      period      number
    Dysart       Muckalee   1801-1880   0926200
    Dysart      Castlecomer pt   1812-1880   0926702
                1847-1880   0926200
    Note: The N.E. half of the parish later became part of Castlecomer.

Historical Geography

    Townlands (1851)

    Parish      Townland      Acres   Diocese
    Dysart      Ballycomy      269   Ossory   
    Dysart      Clashduff             263   Ossory   
    Dysart      Coan East      1720   Ossory   
    Dysart      Coan West      1496   Ossory   
    Dysart      Damerstown East      532   Ossory   
    Dysart      Damerstown West      338   Ossory   
    Dysart      Dysart Glebe      144   Ossory   
    Dysart      Julianstown          97   Ossory   
    Dysart      Knockanaddoge        1163   Ossory   
    Dysart      Smithstown      689   Ossory   
    Dysart      Uskerty            1222   Ossory   

[shanew147]

dont know how I missed that .. townlands of Coan East and West

located in North Co. Kilkenny, to the east of Castlecomer.

Google map :  Kilkenny City to Castlecomer to Coan East


Shane

[Pastmagic]

I missed it too!

This might be useful - cannot find a  name of the church at Coan to go with the graveyard, but does give a 200 year old Parish church, and part of Coan was taken into Castlecomber at some point. You could contact the PP about records of the Leoanrds there.....? Just realised I directed you to Quinn graves, not Leonards,


http://www.castlecomer.ie/index.php
gives details of the parish church at Castlecomber -200 years old.  You could maybe write to them for info? Nice pics of the area.

There is a church there, as the graveyard pics show one, but the Ossory diocese website is down.

There is an interesting account of emmigration from Coan in

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/features/rideaucanal/story.html?id=123cf169-b1ae-4598-b588-f9e5ef67d263&k=62946