Jame's Sutherland & Martha Tulloch

[Martin Harmer]

I'm looking for the parents of Jame's Sutherland (B. 22/01/1831) and his Wife Martha Tulloch. (B. 22/02/1842)
Married 30/03/1866 in Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland.
Also looking for any ancesters and siblings of both.

[MonicaL]

Hi Martin

You have precise dates there which is good  Have you checked their 1866 marriage cert? This would give both their parents' names, including mothers' maiden names which would help you work back with confidence to their respective families.

Monica

[Martin Harmer]

According to a second cousin of mine who has copies of these I dont  thier parents names appear on them, when she gets back from holidays I'll ask to be sure.

[MonicaL]

This is an example of a Scottish marriage certificate post the start of offical registration from 1855 (1855 certs had more info for one year only) to give you an idea of what normally shows www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/images/famousscots/Marriagekeirhardie.tif

I am wondering if James may have been married before given the ages of some of the children - if I have the right entry for them from 1871:

James Sutherland 40 b. Edinburgh
Martha Sutherland 29 b. Lochrephead (?spl), Argyleshire
Elizabeth Sutherland 16 b. Edinburgh
James Sutherland 14 b. Glasgow
Isaac Sutherland 7 b. Glasgow
Jessie Sutherland 1 b. Glasgow

Address: 152 Duke St, High Church Glasgow

Children showing on IGI to James and Martha post their 1866 marriage (all births showing in High Church, Glasgow) include:

David 1867 - likely died young and name re-used in 1874
Jessie 1870
Martha 1872
David 1874

Monica
   

[MonicaL]

A Mary Buchan married a James Sutherland in Edinburgh on 25 Dec. 1853. Children showing to them seem to match those older children showing in the household with James and Martha in 1871:

Elizabeth 1855 - Edinburgh
James 1857 - Glasgow
Jessie 1859 - Glasgow
Isaac 1861 - Glasgow (High Church), likely died young.
Isaac 1863 - Glasgow (High Church)

I see from your post on another forum that the family left for Australia in 1877. Hopefully further details on potential first marriage for James is new to you and gives you another avenue to follow up on  There is a death showing on the pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a Mary Buchan/Sutherland in 1864 in High Church, Glasgow.

Given the occupation you have for James, I wonder whether this could be him in Edinburgh before his marriage to Mary Buchan in 1851:
   
James Sutherland 21, printer compositor b. Edinburgh
Anne Sutherland 23, sister b. Edinburgh
Elizabeth Sutherland 17, sister b. Edinburgh

Address: Pleasance, Edinburgh

From this 1851 entry, this may be James in 1841:

James Sutherland 50, shoemaker b. Scotland
Jannet Sutherland 40 b. Scotland
Isabella Sutherland 20
Alexander Sutherland 15
Ann Sutherland 14
Jane Sutherland 10
James Sutherland 9
Elizabeth Sutherland 5
William Sutherland 3

Address: Potterrow, Edinburgh

All the children showing as born in Midlothian on this 1841 census entry. Names of parents, James and Janet, would fit well with the names of James Sutherland and Mary Buchan's first born children. Jessie is a common variant of Janet in Scotland.
   
Monica

[MonicaL]

Possibility for Martha from 1861 census - all the Tulloch children show as born in Lochgilphead, Argyleshire:

Margaret Tulloch 42 b. Glasgow
Martha Tulloch 18, Warehouse Girl
Jane Tulloch 16
James Tulloch 13
David Tulloch 12
Marion Tulloch 10
John Tulloch 8
Thomas Tulloch 5
James Gunn 20, boarder

Address: 12 Charlotte Street, Calton Glasgow

Possible entry for young Thomas' birth in High Church Glasgow in 1856 with parents showing as David Tulloch and Margaret Fleming.

Martin, I always get wary of relying on census info alone. Hopefully the 1866 marriage will let you confirm James and Martha's parents' names to let you work back with confidence 

Monica

[Martin Harmer]

I had thought James had been married before due to Elizabeth's birth year.
Thanks to all for the info so far. It all helps a great deal.
Regards Martin

[Martin Harmer]

Thanks to all for the correct info so far.
I have just recieved copies of Jame's birth registry and marriage registry which confirms everything. included in info just recieved was  marriage dates of his father so now i'm after any info on him and his wife; including ancesters, parents and siblings.
James Sutherland and Jannet Sinclair
married 23/May ?/ 1816
in the parish of Halkirk, County of Caithness

Once again thanks
Regards

[M S Harmer]

In our search for details for James Sutherland (b. abt 1791. Harpsdale, Hallkirk, Caithness)
a Sutherland cousin of mine came across the birth records for a James Sutherland. Using the naming pasterns, area and the time period it seems to be a possible match. To rule out or help confirm we would like to find more details of  these people (parents), what we have is:

James, lawful son of James Sutherland and Isobel Sutherland in Harpsdale Way, 4th Oct 1788, Witnesses Donald Gow and William Sinclair.

Would like to find marriage details and possible siblings of James (1788). Also Isobel's maiden name or is she another Sutherland.

I know its a big ask given the name and place but you may never learn if you never ask.

Any help or hints will be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks in advance, Martin.