James Brindley Wilkins b 1814/ Elizabeth Cooper , b 1811

[rwenman]

I was hoping to get some help on tracking down Elizabeth Cooper, b 1811.

I have Marriage IGI Extracted;
James Brindley WILKINS
Elizabeth COOPER,
05 September 1834, Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire


Not sure where she was born.  Hoping to find her baptism and any other possible links to previous marriages and children. (I have some info that leads me to believe her name was also "Pottle"

Same with her husband James Brindley Wilkins, b 1814, looking for BMD registrations.

Any help is much appreciated.

[Jebber]

This is James WILKINS bap.

James Brindley Wilkins, bap 29 May 1814 Southampton St Lawrence & St John, parents David & Mary Anne

The only Elizabeth POTTLE around 1811

Elizabeth Pottle bap 26 May 1811 Lymington, parents John & Sarah
or
Elizabeth Pottle bp 1 Aug 1813, Fareham St Peter & St Paul, parents Reuben & Lucy
Elizabeth Pottle bp 13 Jun 1814, Winchester St Maurice, parents William & Letitia

There is no sign of a marriage for Elizabeth POTTLE to a COOPER

These are the nearest Baps. for Elizabeth COOPER

Elizabeth Cooper bap 16 Oct 1808, Ringwood, daughter of Christopher 9(aged 1yr 3 months)
Elizabeth Cooper bp 26 Jan 1809, Broughton, daughter of Thomas & Anne
Elizabeth Cooper bp 28 Jan 1810 Meonstoke, daughter of William & Mary
Elizabeth Cooper bp 25 Oct 1810 Ringwood, daughter of James
Elizabeth Cooper, bap 17 Mar 1811 Liss, parents George & Ann
Elizabeth Cooper bp 4 Aug 1811, N Stoneham, parents William & Mary
Elizabeth Cooper bp 8 Apr 1812 Broughton, parents John & Frances
Elizabeth Cooper bap 14 Nov 1813, Fareham St Peter & St Paul, daughter of John & Mary
Elizabeth  Cooper bp  5 Dec 1813, Silchester, daughter of William & Anne
Elizabeth Cooper bp 16 May 1813, Warblington, parents Charles & Anne
Elizabeth Cooper bp 21 Mar 1814, Fawley, mother Elizabeth
Elizabeth Cooper 13 Feb 1814, Portsea St John, parents Michael & Elizabeth,

I hope this is of some help.

Jebber

[rwenman]

 :)Hello again;

I have been trying (really) to find this on my own, but I haven't had much luck and was wondering if I could ask for your help again?

I am continuing to search James and Elizabeth Cooper (my g-g-great grandparents).

This is what I know:
Marriage IGI Extracted;
James Brindley WILKINS
Elizabeth COOPER, 05 September 1834, Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

I believe her husband James Brindley Wilkins b 1814, died in 1837. 
BURIAL;
James Buidley WILKINS, 24 March 1837, Portsmouth, Southampton, Hampshire . (not sure, but the age is about right, and similar sounding middle name.)


I just have not found much on Elizabeth Cooper b 1811.  I have not been able to find her maiden name, nor find her in the 1841 census. 

Not sure how to find this information about Elizabeth, re:
where she was born,
what her maiden name was;
what happened to her after her husband died (likely remarried?)[/b]


Does anyone have ideas where to go for this?

[EwshotLad]

Hi

From a Burial Index--- Burials at Portsmouth St Thomas

24MAR1837 JAMES BRINDLEY WILKINS Age 23

25FEB1838  JAMES BRINDLEY WILKINS  Infant

The Index ends in 1838
Hope that helps with one problem

Vic Wise
Brisbane Oz

[trish1120]

I may be stating the obvious but what Child of James/Elizabeth are you descended from?
Have you found him/her on the 1841/1851 Census?

There is a David James WILKINS Christened 11 Nov 1835, Portsmouth, Hampshire to a JAMES/ELIZTH
From 1861 I can find him and think this may be him in 1841;

1841 Census
Portsmouth, Hampshire
HO107/415/8/Portsea Town
David WILKINS, 49, Lathe Render?
Mary Wilkins, 48
DAVID Wilkins, 6
Jane BRINDLEY, 15

So looks like David is with his Wilkins Grandparents.
So Elizabeth is not there.


I checked FreeBMD for Elizabeth Wilkins Marriages in Hampshire pre 1841;

June 1838, Portsea;
Possible spouses;
George CASSELL
William KEENER
Henry Mason PLASTO
George Samuel KEYS

December 1840, Portsea;
Possible spouses;
George RIDLEY
William CRAIG
John HARRINGTON
+ 1 missing male as there are 4 females on the page



Now strangely the only Elizabeth WILKINS marriage on the IGI is this;
To Daniel COTTON, 14 May 1838, St Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire.
If you check him on FreeBMD there is a spouse missing, 4 males, 3 females

Will see what I can find,
Trish

[Jebber]

Trish has beaten me to it with the above information, but to add a little more, Mary WILKINS in the 1841 census is a widow in 1851, this looks like her husband's death 

Deaths Sep 1849   
Wilkins  David     Portsea I  7 187

There is no sign of the David James bp 1835 in the 1851 or 1861 census, however, there is  David WILKINS in 1871, the image shows his birth place as Portsea, and his occupation as Steward in the Royal navy, this would account for him not showing up in the 1851 or 1861 census.

RG10 piece 123 folio 12 page 15
Vauxhall Bridge Rd, St John The Evangelist, Westminster

WILKINS, David James Head  M 35 1836  Hampshire
WILKINS, Sarah Wife  F 38 1833  Wiltshire
WILKINS, James D Son  M 14 1857  Wiltshire
WILKINS, Mary Ann Daughter  F 12 1859  Middlesex
WILKINS, David Son  M 3 1868  Middlesex

A check on the National Archives  reveals the following.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0chz/

Description Name  Wilkins, David Brinley
Official Number:  69924
Place of Birth:  Portsmouth, Hampshire
 
Date 19 June 1830
Catalogue reference ADM 188/54 
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 69401 - 70000

Although the age is out and the second name is not James, given that it is Brinley, it is quite likely him, or at the very least a close connection.

Jebber

[Jebber]

 The marriage of David.

St. James Church, St. Pancras
2 Nov. 1855 by Licence

David James WILKINS  full age, bac., Ship Steward, father James WIKLINS dead.
Sarah BRYANT full age, sp., father John BRYAN, carpenter.

Jebber

[trish1120]

1861 he is down as born Pickworth, Hampshire and living in Devon;
RG9/1456/35/30


IGI has these other Marriages for a Elizabeth/Eliza WILKINS;
1841 to George DONOVAN
1843 to John GREGORY
1843 to George WEARN, indexed as Elizabeth Wilkins or Donovan
Was that Elizabeth married and Widowed again and remarried?

May I ask how you know Elizabeth was born c 1811 rwenman?
As she never appears on a Census we really have no idea when/where she was born and could have been older than James when they Married 1834.

Trish

[rwenman]

Thanks everyone for the help...will have to sort out later (off to work now! but here is something for now)

Here is the lineage:
James Brindley Wilkins b 1814, Portsmouth
    David James Wilkins b 1835, Portsmouth
        James David Wilkins b 1857, Wiltshire (my great grandfather)

Trish;

Not sure how I assumed she was born in 1811.  I looked back at my notes, only to find a big question mark, which said note so self " confirm marriage record, need census"  Looking at the 1941 census is appears that David b 1835 the son of James Brindley Wilkins and Elizabeth (Cooper) Wilkins was living ith his grandparents:

1841 Census:
Hampshire>Portsea Town>Dist7>Page11
David WILKINS 49 b.1792 Hampshire (Occupation possibly Salt or Lath Render?)
Mary WILKINS 48 b.1793 Hampshire
David WILKINS 6 b.1835 Hampshire


This is likely because his father "James, b 1814" died:
James Brindley WILKINS, 30 July 1837, Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire
Died 25 February 1838
Parents James Brindley WILKINS and ELIZTH
(IGI Extracted)

So after death of James Brindley, Elizabeth likely remarried.

So, not sure where that birth date (Elizabeth, b1811) came from except I had noted a possible maiden name for Elizabeth as "Pottle", but I couldn't trace that either.

I had not seen these other marriages for an Elizabeth Wilkins that you mentioned:
IGI has these other Marriages for a Elizabeth/Eliza WILKINS;
1841 to George DONOVAN
1843 to John GREGORY
1843 to George WEARN, indexed as Elizabeth Wilkins or Donovan

So where might we go from here?  The birth date, and place of birth is what is needed isn't it?  I so far haven't found that on any record.

Rob