Death certificate - I need to prove the birth

[Mutthouse]

I have finally got a date for the death of my 4xGt grandad James Braithwaite Brown as 19th January 1965, living out of mellish street poplar, notified by his son Harry.

I am looking to prove - or disprove that he was born in New Zealand. I am assuming that I need a full death certificate in order to find out for sure exactly where he was born is that right?

If so where would be the best place to source one - shall I go through gro or would it be better to approach the office concerned - at the time 1965 it was Poplar so would it still be poplar?


Thanks for the help and I apologise if it appears obvious 

nic xx

[Little Nell]

nic,

A 1965 death certificate issued in England and Wales does not include the deceased's place of birth.  Sorry. 

If you know the informant, you already seem to have the full certificate, as you call it.

Nell

[Mutthouse]

Oh poo 

Any clues about how I find out where he was buried or cremated then?

[aghadowey]

Just to save anyone from extra work- here's a thread on another website:
http://www.merchant-navy.net/forum/ask-forum/9400-can-you-help-solve-family-mystery.html

Have you tried searching for a newspaper obituary/death notices (place of burial/cremation details or a church might be mentioned)?

[Mutthouse]

Maybe it seems obvious so I will apologise again for my stupidity but how exactly would I do that? My only resource atm is a laptop and a phone as I can't get to london to go and have a good look round.

My question is, is there a way of proving his place of birth. I thought it would be on his death certificate. Ancestry isn't throwing anything up for me so as an amateur I am a bit lost 

[rosie99]

Hi

Do you have his marriage certificate, if so who does it say his father is and his occupation - who are the witnesses.  I see he was born c1879. 

ADDED
If he was married here (Poplar) in 1906 have you found him on the 1911 census - that should give a place of birth.

Rosie

[Mutthouse]

This is my tree (I hope)

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/19100793/family?cfpid=757291156

I have made it public - I hope this helps it shows what I know. I do have the marriage certificate of James and William is listed as a sheep farmer. Nothing in the searches on ancestry has come up for him. The names william and sarah on the tree are supposition at the moment till I can cross reference it so don't take that part as fact by any means. The rumour from my gdad is of a new zealand connection and on searching their sites I have found a family that fits but its a big leap that I am not comfortable with to just assume its right and plonk it in anyway and I would really like to prove it by having some sort of document that says he was born in new zealand (or durham I am not fussed lol).

I am inclined to think it is right given that James children bear some of the names of his siblings from NZ but its an assumption that I think I would be wrong in making? ? ?

[aghadowey]

Rosie's advice to find him in 1911 census is excellent- if he was born in New Zealand it should say so and if in England you'll have a more exact location.

1911 census requests are not allowed - please see here:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355484.0.html

The index is free to search and there are lots of suggestions on this thread:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html

[Mutthouse]

I did try looking on the 1911 census and it cost quite a few pennies and he wasn't any of the likely candidates. I did check above the age and below and nothing close. I did though only look in poplar.

I also searched for just his wife Clara as with James being a merchant seaman he might not have even been in the country at the time but nothing jumped out.

I feel like I am missing the obvious