Surbey and Empson lost in West Sussex

[alllegs]

Hi,

I'm helping my friend research her family tree and we're stuck with the following...

Doris Rosa Surbey was born in East Preston in 1913.

Her parents were John Edward Surbey (transcribes as Sarbey/Surbet) and Alice Empson who married in East Preston in 1908 and that's all we can find.

I can't find Surbey's or Empson's in the local area in censuses and I can't find Alice or John's birth records.

Thanks in anticipation

Legs xxx

[Dazey999]

Hi Legs

This looks like John Edward in 1891

RG12; Piece: 835; Folio 44; Page 42

2 Navarins Cottages, Broadwater, Worthing
Caleb Surbey, 30, gardener, b. Marlborough, Wiltshire
Jemima Surbey, 30, wife, b. Brighton, Sussex
William G, son, 7, b. Brighton
John E, 6, b. Durrington
Lilian M, 4, b. Durrington
Alfred F (or possibly J) 1, b. Goring

Dazey

[alllegs]

Thank you Dazey, much appreciated

Legs
xxxx

[Dazey999]

Looks as though Alice Empson (born c.1882 King's Lynn, Norfolk) was the daughter of Venus Empson who, along with her young family, was in the King's Lynn Union Workhouse in 1891.  Father Kenneth S Empson.
Hope this is enough to get you started

Dazey

[alllegs]

That's brilliant Dazey.

Thank you

xxxxx

[Roy G]

Note
A Caleb and an Ebeneza Surbey both married in Brighton in 1883
Caleb married Jemima Gaston

Sussex Birth Cert References for Surbey
Births Sept quarter 1883  SURBEY    William G   Brighton *   1726    
or
Births Sept quarter 1883  SURBEY    William Surbey    Brighton    2b   233

Births March quarter 1885 Swibey John Edward  East Preston  2b    382
Births June quarter 1887 Surdey    Lilian Mary     E. Preston 2b   369
Births Sept quarter 1889 Surbey Alfred Frederick    E. Preston    2b   336

Roy G

[Roy G]

We are not allowed to reveal what is written in the 1911 census, but their freely available index only has one Alice Surbey in Sussex and therefore affirms Dazey's findings that your Alice was born around 1882.
The only possible birth reference on FreeBMD that would fit is as follows:
Births March quarter 1882  EMPSON Alice, King's Lynn in Norfolk. 4b   364 
If you then return to the index with that enhanced info, I think you will find it cross checks.
 Roy G

[alllegs]

Thanks Roy,

I have found them on the 1911, I bought some credits!

Legs
xxxx

[J.J.]

You may have this by now, but another Canadian connection here as Arthur Empson b.1884 King's Lynn, England / Bachelor /parents Kenneth Empson and Venus Hardy married Laura Sabina Hasler in Victoria, British Columbia. His death and birth date are listed in another entry...
The birth of Edward William Empson has father with full name: Kenneth Samuel Empson
https://www.familysearch.org/search/recordDetails/show?uri=https://api.familysearch.org/records/pal:/MM9.1.r/MN5R-ZZZ/p4

also if it interests you...Alice's brother Arthur signed up with the C.E.F. for WW1 in Victoria B.C
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc003/313833a.gif
Alice's brother Harry signed up with the C.E.F. as well!
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc003/313835a.gif
( those entries and more information can be found here, including how to send for full military files which may have some personal information of interest
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php)


  awe Henry didn't return
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/Detail&casualty=1567643

I had wondered, given their dire circumstances, if they may have been sent as home children but can't see them on any incoming indexes (at all )