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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: Celtic Damsel on Sunday 17 September 06 12:41 BST (UK)
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Hi there everyone, fairly new to this so forgive any mistakes. I am Living in Athy In Co Kildare so if anyone is searching in the area and I can help with photos of places or gravestones etc ask me and if I can help you I will ...
http://www.athyheritagecentre-museum.ie/
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Forget to add I will help also if possible in the surrounding areas ie , Castledermot,Kilkea,Stradbally, Ballylynan etc etc
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Hi there!
Do you know St. John's cemetery? Many of my Molloy (Church of Ireland) relations were buried there. I would love to see some photographs of their tombstones.
PJC
p.s. I lived in Athy when I was a child and went to school at the nuns and then the christian brothers until I was about 14. I didn't know anything about the Molloy's then!
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hi PJC will have a look for you can you give me any first names ? approx dates ? in the meantime heres a link to some information on the cemetry and also the Molloy burials there you can cut and paste to your browser
http://kildare.ie/hospitality/historyandheritage/AthyHeritage/StJohnsCemetery.htm
Molloy Clorinda A. 06 May 1901
Molloy Frederick 12 August 1825
Molloy George 30 26 Sept. 1848
Molloy Hannah 13 01 December 1839
Molloy Hannah Anna 46 15 Sept. 1836
Molloy Hannah Anne 05 Sept. 1824
Molloy Joseph Geale 36 12 Sept. 1852
Molloy Robert 56 13 July 1836
Molloy Thomas 24 10 January 1834
Molloy William 20 Sept.1896
Molloy Mary 68 04 June 1800
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That's great news Damsel.
I hope there are other members living in Kildare who may be able to help you.
I know there are several members in the Belfast area as we send the occasional
messages to each other but in many areas of Ireland it's hard to tell if someone
is living in the area. I am noticing this as I am doing my best to organise the
Meet in Dublin. Perhaps those living close to Damsel would consider posting her
a PM if they are able to assist as I feel she will get quite a few messages
Chris
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Hi again!
Most if not all in the list are in my tree esp. Robt. Molloy d. 13 Jul 1836 who is my Gx3 Grandfather.
Any photos of gravestones would be most appreciated.
PJC
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hi Pjc no problem will do my best to locate them and get you some piccys over the weekend regards Damsel :)
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OOOOPS sorry PJC that reply was actually from me Celtic Damsel was at Taids place and sent the message from there forgetting that it would come up with her name, I will go look at that graveyard tomorrow for you and see what I can come up with piccys wise , The Damsel
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Hello Celtic Damsel,
Fancy making a trip to Kill Church or is that too far for you.
Looking for headstone to Anne/Anna, daughter of William & Mary Wright, who died suddenly 19th October 1862 at the Earl of Clonmell's Bishops Court Estate & was buried at Kill Church Co Kildare on 24th Oct 1862.
Anne was born 1822 in Norfolk and was mother to my maternal great-grandfather. Local information would be welcome such as parish/church records. How far is Kill from Bishops Court Estate. ?
Thanks & regards John
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Hi John , Kill is about 50 kilometres from me on the road into Dublin. Its a very pretty little village now bypassed by a new motorway. the Church of St Johns is now a "Church of Ireland" church as all protestant churches became know here. The records for Births ,deaths and Marraiges would be held at the church but are also held in the National Archives of Ireland in Dublin, http://www.nationalarchives.ie/
as are the Estate records so you would get the tenants rent rolls etc there for Bishops Court Estate which still exists but is not open to the public so must be privately owned still as far as i can tell. woth your while to post for a lookup there I know lots of rootschtters spend a lot of time in both the archives and Library and are usually very willing to do lookups.
http://www.irisharchitecture.com/buildings_ireland/kildare/naas/bishops_court.html
I will post you another message in a few minutes with some links on the village of Kill, the Bishops court estae etc that I hope you enjoy also there is a preservation group for St Johns I will give you their contact details and I'm sure they will also be very helpful for you in the meantime but I will take your information and a camera with me on my next trip through to Dublin next week and see what I can come up with for you with regards to graves, if you get any more information on them in the meantime let me know regards Damsel
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as promised enjoy and hope it helps information on the are wise regards Damsel
http://kildare.ie/countycouncil/townsites/community-groups/details.asp?CAID=81
http://kildare.ie/Tourism/towns/kill.asp
http://kildare.ie/Local-History/kill.htm
http://kildare.ie/Heritage/lewis-topographical-dictionary/kill.asp
http://www.ireland.anglican.org/library/libroots.html
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oooops sorry moderators just realised how big my photo is so feel free to downsize if you can :-X
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Hi Again PJC , I called to St John's Cemetry this afternoon after hunting it down, for future reference it is quite small and located behind a shop called Shaws just off the main street in Athy. There is only one small Iron Gate and it is kept locked but I am told that there are community workeres working there on and off tidying it up andI had just missed them and they would be back from lunch at 2 I waited for them to come back till half but no luck they must have decided to know off early being Friday and all.
I will check again on Monday and if necessary "Charm" my way inside for you , honestly the things we root chatters will do for each other, giggles ;) but otherwise have a few leads as to to where I can obtain the key for the gate so "A hunting I will go" on Monday, have a nice weekend regards Damsel
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Many thanks Damsel
I have had a quick scan of the websites you've provided & I will have a more in depth look at the weekend. Note the link to Irish.Architecture is being redirected to Seeq ?
Also thanks for the PM - I will be following that lead as well
Cheers John
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Damsel,
My GG and GGG grandfather's were both named Adam Talbott (often misspelt Turbett -in Griffiths, or Torbet in other areas). The first died in 1877 and the second in 1881. Both were from Glenbawn, Burtown, just east of Athy. They were not Catholics , possibly CoI or Presbyterian. The original Adam came from Scotland. I cannot find where they were buried only the death dates and location of the farm on which they lived. They leased the farm from the Duke of Leinster.
I would be really interested in any info on when they came to Ireland, the circumstances, and where they are buried. If you come across any info I would be most greatful.
Rory Talbot
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Hi - many thanks for your efforts - I look forward to your next reply. I remember that laneway that goes up to the Christian Brothers school where I spent many happy :P days (There was a house called St. John's)
Peter
Hi Again PJC , I called to St John's Cemetry this afternoon after hunting it down, for future reference it is quite small and located behind a shop called Shaws just off the main street in Athy. There is only one small Iron Gate and it is kept locked but I am told that there are community workeres working there on and off tidying it up andI had just missed them and they would be back from lunch at 2 I waited for them to come back till half but no luck they must have decided to know off early being Friday and all.
I will check again on Monday and if necessary "Charm" my way inside for you , honestly the things we root chatters will do for each other, giggles ;) but otherwise have a few leads as to to where I can obtain the key for the gate so "A hunting I will go" on Monday, have a nice weekend regards Damsel
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Hi PJC have manged to get into St Johns cemetry this morning it would seem there is only one grave for your Molloy family it would also seem that all of the people on that list are buried in what would have been from what I can see a double width grave, the headstone is faded but was just about readable and says it was originally erected by your Robert in the memory of his children ; Hannah Anne died 5th September 1824 aged 9 months Frederick 12th August 1825 aged 3 months and William 20th september 1826 aged 4 months the slab above the grave seems to have all of the other family members names on it but is impossible to read, I spoke to the workman there and he says there is only one grave for Molloy, I have photos of it for you if you can send me an email address on a personal message I will forward them to you, I assume as you knew the most of them were on your tree that you already have all other relevant information regarding to them? regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel,
The story goes that my Corrigan ancestors were evicted from the Athy area sometime around 1800. There is a particular mention of Ardscull Moate but I'm not sure how accurate this information is. I checked the Athy Catholic parish records, and the main entry which I was interested in referred to a place called Tankardtown or perhaps Tankardstown. Do you know where this is? I also checked the main cemetery in Athy but with no success. Is there another cemetery which people from Tankardstown might have used? Thanks
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Hi there have sent you some infor on Tankardstown yes it is quite close to me You dont say if your people were Rc or protestant ? there are as far as i am aware no specific cemeterys for Tankardstown only the two RC cemeterys in the town here in Athy St Michaels Old and new , there is also a very old Protestant cemetry called St Johns but have checked and I dont see any Corrigans buried there so I assume you are looking for catholic burials. I have added here a link for information on Ardskull , The Moate which is a very historic area but it is not close to Tankardstown as such it is situated on the Dublin Road way outside the town in the opposite direction http://kildare.ie/SouthKildareHeritageTrail/ardscull.htm hope this helps ? regards Damsel
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Hi Again PJC I was a bit dissapointed for you yesterday when I discovered that the slab on your ancestors gravestone was so difficult to make out so I made some enquiries this morning and found out that in !997 a project was carried out to cut the graveyard out from the overgrown state it was in and to index and record all of the gravstones by a local group. They produced an excellent booklet on the project which I have managed to get a copy of , and it confirmed for me that your Molloys were all in plot 10 and 11 marked by one gravestone and slab which I have sent you photos of, and I have also sent you to mail a full inscription for the grave which they managed to make out by pouring of all things shaving foam on it !!! a hint for any would be "Grave Rubbers" so to speak !! anyhows hope this has all helped and good luck with your search form here on in, Regards Damsel
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Hi Celtic Damsel,
You should go into business! - What a service! Photographs and full inscriptions - amazing. Many thanks for this really valuable information.
Best Wishes,
PJC
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well I am currently job hunting maybe I will Tee hee no probs PJC enjoy , Damsel ;D
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Hi Again Rory have managed to get information on the COI that possible would have records for your ancestors burials I will keep you posted in the meantime heres the information I have contacted the Rev Delamere already.
Burtontown is in the civil parish of Moone which is part of the ecclesiastical parish of Timolin. This is now part of a group of parishes based on Narraghmore.The rector is the Revd Isaac Delamere
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Hi John P not forgetting about ya !! calling in to the church in Kill on my way to Dublin tomorrow will keep you posted , regards Damsel
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Dansel,
Thanks very much for that. Maybe he should look at all possible spellings/misspellings of the name Talbot, Talbott, Turbet, Torbet, etc. As this has happened many times in my searches.
Rory
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Hi John P not forgetting about ya !! calling in to the church in Kill on my way to Dublin tomorrow will keep you posted , regards Damsel
hi, thats great - thanks a lot- regards John
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Thanks for the info on Tankardstown, Damsel. I see that there is an old Danish fort there - PERHAPS later generations knew there was some connection with a fort and presumed it to be Ardscull. Will try to see if there are Estate records for the area.
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well I am currently job hunting maybe I will Tee hee no probs PJC enjoy , Damsel ;D
Damsel, by the looks of things on this thread you'll only have to ask satisfied RootsChatters and you'll have several great references by return. Do you think employers would accept references from RootsChatters?
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:) Tee Hee Christopher I wish !! I'm actually having fun helping out others as Kildare is not my native county I'm a "big Smoke " girl so its been teaching me loads about the area as well regards Damsel
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Hi John P , just got back from Kill an hour or so ago , you did'nt say if your ancestors were COE or in the case COI or Catholic as far as I remember ? but the only cemetry in Kill is on the grounds of St Johns COI Church.
The church itself is still in business "so to speak" , but only have services every couple of weeks or so. I walked the whole cmemtry and discovered that very few of the headstones are actually still readable, and quite a lot of the graves were only ever marked by a small Rock type stone which I imagine had the very basic information about the person on it. I have some photos for you of the church and cemetry if you send me an email address in a personal message I will gladly forward them to you. Without you having the exact grave it would be impossible to tell which one your ancestor is buried in, you can find this out by writing to, or emailing for the information to library@ireland.anglican.org , they hold of the records and are very helpful. I also spoke to Brian McCabe of the local history society he said he received your letter and will be replying very soon, sorry could'nt be more helpful but if you get the information and still want a photo of the actual grave I will go back and get one for you, Regards Damsel
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Hi RorY T , well your trip took me to what must be one of the prettiest spots in Kildare ! I was told the Church at a little village called Narragmore was the place to find out about burials for your ancestors based on where they lived, I had emailed the Reverend but hadn't received a reply so I rang the number on the Church Gates (which were closed when I arrived) and spoke to him, he said he was on holiday and would check the records for me but suggested I opened the gates and drive up as the cemetery is around the church. I had to climb over a wall in my skirt so I hope no one was looking apart from the Cows as I must have been quite a sight !! :o
It is a spectacular view from the Church as it is at the top of a very long driveway and up a hill, the view is down the valley and over to the Wicklow mountains in the distance quite breathtaking !!
I checked all of the readable Gravestones for your Talbots ( bearing in mind any other spelling thereof also ) but they are not mentioned there on any of the stones.
However as always there are also a lot of totally unreadable stones so now we wait to see what the Reverend Delamere comes up with !! If there's anything I will let you know and go back and get a photo of the actual grave if you want, in the meantime I have some shots of the Church, Cemetery and environs if you would like to get a feel for where they lived send me a mail addy on a personal message and I will forward them to you in the meantime keep the fingers crossed , I also think you could contact the COI Library atlibrary@ireland.anglican.org as you have the address and years of Death so they will be able to tell you exactly where they are buried, if not at this cemetery, let me know if you get anything that way...Regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel, Thanks for the photos of Kill churchyard, shame only a few of the headstones are readable. I got email back from the RCB library regarding Kill burial records saying they have registers that can be consulted or pay them 10 euros to do a search. Also had email back from Brian McCabe regarding my request for Bishops Court info. This is going too well. Thanks again John
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No Problem at all John hope you get all the information you need and if I can be of any further help just ask. Hope my search goes well over there in the Uk I'm also unfortunate in that my grandfather was born in Wales and left us very little informaion here in ireland and my paternal grandmother was also born there in Derby and we have very little info on her either yet, so hopefully something will give soon on both, again good luck told you the library were very good, regards Damsel
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Hi Celtic Damsel
I am trying to find if Nury is in Kildare or has the Census spelt it wrong?
If the right area I might be able to trace my gt Grandfather and some more of the family if it is right.
Best wishes
Geney
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the village your looking for is "Nurney", its not too far from me can you give me more details and I will help if I can , regards Damsel
NURNEY: A small village with an interesting pub, a church and ancient stone cross. Nearby at Clonmelsh cemetery Walt Disney's ancestors are buried
http://www.kildare.ie/heritage/lewis-topographical-dictionary/nurney2.asp
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Hi Celtic Damsel
Thanks for the website to view! The reason I had emailed to ask, was there ever a place named Nury, Ireland because that was on my Gt Grandfathers Census information, but for the rest of the family where they were born, they wrote Ireland and that was hard trying to find their place of birth. I had just found Gt Grandfathers details and wondered if the place was put down wrong or there was a place Nury, but they changed it to Nurney.
Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.
Geney
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Hi again Damsel,
Am still trying to gather info on Tankardstown, and have found a reference to a graveyard in Barrowhouse which is actually in the Civil Parish of Tankardstown, Co. Laois. I guess that it is just across the border from the Tankardstown of Kildare and is contained in the Roman Catholic Parish of Athy. Are you familiar with this graveyard? Is it likely to contain early 1800 headstones? Thanks.
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Hi you still dont say if your ancestors were RC or COI Jud, Barrowhouse is not too far from me and as most villages in Ireland have a cemetry I assume that Barrowhouse does.
If your Corrigans were COI then you can contact the RCB Libary in Dublin if you want to do a search for them giving them whatever information you have for them and the area. I will drive up to Barrowhouse for you when I get a chance and check it out for you and see if there is a cemetry, but Ardshull Moate is nowhere near barrowhouse either , its out on the Dublin rd in the opposite direction , Barrowhouse is a turn off the old carlow road, anyhows i'll have a look for you, regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel,
I would be hugely grateful if you could check out Barrowhouse. There may well be no link with Ardscull at all - but the family were almost definitely from the parish of Athy. The names in the parish registor have led me to believe that there is a very good chance that they were from Tankardstown. The family were Catholics. My branch of the Corrigans were evicted in the early 1800's but there may have been others who remained.
Thank you so much for your help.
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Ok I will drive up to barrowhouse in the next few hours its not that far and see if there is a Catholic cemetry there for you, regards Damsel
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Hi Jud, I posted a reply to you but it seems to have dissapeared into cyber space !! forgive if it appears and this is a repeat of the info it contained. I went to Barrowhouse for you this afternoon. There is a Catholic church there built in and around 1834, it has a cemetery around it , its classed as the parish of St Michaels so the records for the burials will be held at the church of St Michaels here in Athy Town ( if you needa phone number for them let me know) or at the national Library in Dublin I would assume but you can check that on their website, http://www.nli.ie/.
The Stones that were readable there date from the time the church was built onwards but of course there may be burials on the records not marked by stones?
To further excite you and complicate the search no doubt ! I discovered there is an old Church ruin and quite a large cemetery attached to it at Tankardstown, I could not access it due to the fact that it is now on Farmland owned by the Kinsella family, it remains public property however so he has to allow access to it but when I called to his farmhouse he was not at home , possibly in the fields as its harvest time and it was a beautiful day today,
I was told by a local that there are still occasionally burials there by local families who own plots, and that there are Crypts there as well as graves and that the burials stated there long before the Church at Barrowhouse.
Tankardstown while fairly close to Athy is actually in Co Laois, and therfore I would imagine the records for it to be in the nearest church in Laois to it which would be the church at Kileen Village where there is also another cemetery of course !!
I would think though that the register for burials there would also be at the National Library but a call to the church here in Athy I would imagine would shed some light on that, I have photos of the Church at Barrowhouse if you would like to have them in case it ties into your search you could pm me an email addy and I will pass them on, hope I have helped a little let me know if I can help in any other way and good luck with your search, regards Damsel
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Thank you so, so much for doing that, Damsel. I am very gratefull!
The graveyard in Tankardstown sounds very promising. There's a chance that I will be able to get to Ireland early in the New Year, so will try to find it then. I haven't been able to find it on a map yet however. I am familiar with the road that leads from Athy to Ballylinan. Am I right in thinking that it is close to this road?
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I am trying to loacate the whereabouts of the record for Tankardstown for you at he mo Jud it is first left after the Tegral factory at the end of the town signposted " the Bleach", the road goes out to Barrowhouse, Tankardstown, Kileen and eventually on to Carlow the records for the Barrowhouse Cemetry are with the guy below according to the Laois County website but no sign of the Tankardstown but I am following a few leads and will let you know if I get the wherabouts in the meantime if you want the shots of the Barrowhouse Church and cemetry send me a PM with an email addy, Regards Damsel
Patrick Kelly
Carlow Road
Ballylinan
059 8625160
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nice avatar damsel!!
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hello celtic damsel
would newbridge be to far for you ,im searching for my great grandparents
i have very little info on them most from my grandfathers birth certificate
patrick joseph mortimer , kathleen mortimer nee daly
they were living in newbridge in 1922 when my grandfather was born also called patrick joseph as far as i know most of the family stayed around there
patrick snr died about 1966 and kathleen died about 1990
kathleen was possably from dublin
i was hoping there headstones might give me more info
or any other relatives buried around there
if its too far no worries but thank you for you time
i saw in one of your posts that you were searching for relatives in derby maybe i can help as i live in the derby area
best regards gig
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Hi Gig, no Newbridge is not that far from me really about 35 kilometres away but I quite often go there shopping and I will be there later in the week, in the meantime I will make some enquiries about the graveyards in the area, were your people RC ? and what address do you have for your him on his birth cert ? as Newbridge is quite a big town and there is more than one graveyard as far as I am aware so it would be helpful to have an "end of the the town" as such to work with, yes my grandmother were are told was born in Derby her name was Mary Kavanagh, born circa 1899 , her parents were John Kavanagh,born circa 1879 and esther Kavanagh( nee Smith) born circa 1880, her siblings were christine kavanagh
unknown birthplace
and Gerard Kavanagh.unknown birthplace. We dont know if her parents were born in UK or went over to uk before she was born, or if they were born here, we only know they returned and all died here, and of course death certs give so little information but they are all we have so far so any help finding them would be gratefully accepted, regards Damsel
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;D hello celtic damsel thank you for your reply im afraid i dont have any addresses or anything to narrow it down
the birth cert is not the origianal but one my granddad sent for in the 80s although we did discover he was celabrating his birthday
a day early ,his reply ,oh im not as old as i thought i was ;D
the family were rc ,my mum seems to think they later moved to kimmage or a place called stanaway ,the latter might be a street
but i dont know were theses places are thank you for the offer to look up but please dont go out of your way especially if the weathers the same there as it is here
on your relatives ,wow thats a tough one i carnt find them on the census returns do you know were in derby they were
i found a mary kavanagh born jan q 1899 in west derby 8b 405
but thats in lancaster
i did however find a mary kavanagh born march 1899 in liverpool
8b 24 then in june 1899 a john kavanagh married a esther
smyth ,dont know if that is a type error or correct spelling
in liverpool 8b 1899 i only mention these as liverpool is the port across from ireland so they could have been on the way over here or there just a thought but im sure youve already seen these in your research , this really is a puzzerler if theses any other info you have on them id be glad to help ,may i ask were your hill relatives came from
thank you for your time best regards gig ;D
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Hi Celtic Damsel,
My Athy ancestor is a bit of a puzzle. His name was Matthew Dwen, or Duane (pronounced Dwen), or Wren, or Owen, or Swann, or O'Rinn, or ???. Currently, I'm leaning toward Dwen. The closest thing I have to a contemporary record is a death notice giving his name as Owen, but in at least one other instance I can show that Owen is a modern transcription error for Dwen. His daughter's tombstone reads Dwen, but Swann is on her marriage license.
I don't know his birth date. He was married in 1826 in Baltimore, Maryland, and died in 1846 in Galena, Illinois. He was probably Catholic. He married a Catholic girl and his descendents are Catholic.
Frankly, I'm at something of an impasse with him and any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
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Hi Harry, looking at the details you do have for your ancestor I can only suggest that "Owen" would have been a more common name here though of Welsh decent as my own Grandfather was an "Owens" who came here from Wales to Ireland at the turn of the century,
"Swann" is also a name I have heard but mostly with the more common spelling of "Swan", but Dwen is not a name I have ever heard used here and there are no listings for the name in the telephone book ,
There are a few "Duanes" and a couple of "Swanns" but none in Athy at the present time , there are a lot of "Swans" though but also none in Athy listed
If you have a death record you know where he died so his death cert will give you an age at death and therfore an approximate date of birth, also worth checking the other thing that you know, his marraige , a lot of times they just put age as "full" but you might get lucky.
As you know where he was at given times in his life it would be worth while also finding him on the census there, perhaps you have done this already as you hav'nt said how you know he was from Athy ?
Hope this helps you to pinpoint an approx date of birth as otherwise I would'nt know where to start without a name and at least an approx year sorry, good luck with the search and if you get those let me know and I will be glad to help here in Athy, regards Damsel
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Hi again Gig I have found that the local, and biggest cememtry in newbridge does not actually date back to the period you are searching however Newbridge has apparently a brilliant Family reseach section at their library their contacts details are at http://kildare.ie/heritage/genealogy/, have a look at this at they seem to be very helpful also with searches ,
I hope this hepls you find our greatgrandparents burial place if they do let me know straight away and i will go get you some photos if you want, thanks for the information on my Kavanaghs I hav'nt come across those ones before and will follow up to see if I can make a connection with them, regards Damsel
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PS Gig what a coincidence also that you have family hailing from Kimmage which is a Dublin South suburb, my own Dad was from Kimmage and I still have quite a lot of family there, the Stanaway you mention is "Stanaway road" a road in Kimmage and the area is Dublin 12, also the only cemetry in the area and a very old one is at a place not far from Kimmage called Harolds cross its called Mount Jerome , their office contact details 01)4971269 and they hold all the burial records for the cemetry at the office, I would say this is where you are going to find some of the people you are seeking, here a link to a bit of info on the cemetry http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/harolds_cross/mountjerome.html hope this all helps you as well keep me posted on the progress, regards Damsel
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The big problem is that I have found virtually no primary records. The Athy birth comes from two biographical sketches of his grandson published in 1889 and 1904. The death notice appeared in a newspaper and is little more than a notice of probate. I'm sure it's him because of the date of the death and the name of one of the executors. Good county records start a few years later.
The US census before 1850 is difficult to use. Only heads of households are listed. Ages are given in ranges. Other household members are not listed by name but by age range, sex, and whether free or slave. That, plus I haven't pinned down his location in 1830 and 1840. Given the problems with his name, and the many varied ways it was recorded, I haven't successfully found him.
The two instances of "Owen" that I know of are the death notice and an online transcription of his daughter's gravestone. The death notice is online. I haven't seen the original yet. The modern gravestone transcription is inaccurate. The grave reads "Dwen." It's quite clear. I have photos.
Another example of a modern transcription error is in the 1850 census data for his widow. She's a housekeeper for a priest (thus, would have been entirely missed in the 1840 and earlier census). Her name is given as "Dwin." Ancestry.com has it as "Devin."
"Wren" comes from his daughter's obituary in 1910. "Swann," as I said, from her county marriage record (the groom, Donald Beaton, was listed as "Daniel Beton"--and I'm as sure as I can every be that it is the right record). I forget the source for "O'Rinn" right now.
The marriage record is a possibility. I haven't found it yet. I know where and the year (at least as they were given 75 years after the fact and long after both bride and groom died).
Anyway, thought I'd ask. I appreciate your thoughts on this. He's a puzzle and I may never find out more about him. ;)
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well harry I thought my own family was hard to pindown !! excuse me if I'm wrong as I'm not great on timeline with US records but if he entered US through New York was Ellis island being used then for emigration ? if so maybe you would be able to look at the records for there ?all I can say is if you manage to pin his birth date down to even with a few years eventually let me know as all the forms of his name can be checked then, good luck hope you get a breakthrough soon, regards Damsel
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Some of my ancestors are pretty easy--some difficult. Matthew Duane (or whatever) isn't the hardest. I don't even have a County in Ireland for my Connors ancestors. As near as I can tell, my great grandfather appeared on the face of the earth in 1885 in Topeka, Kansas, at the age of 15 when he started working for the Santa Fe. He said he was born in San Francisco to Henry and Margaret Connors. But just try finding any records of this family. The great San Francisco earthquake and fire of 1906 hasn't helped any.
Ellis Island was much later--well after the main Irish immigration. Castle Garden is the earlier New York immigration center and I have found other Irish immigrant ancestors in their on-line database. But, my guess is that my Athy ancestor immigrated through Baltimore. He married a Baltimore girl in Baltimore. It would help a lot in locating his immigration record if I had a good idea how his name was spelled and the approximate year of immigration.
Oh well, I suppose a trip to Baltimore is in order. :-)
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Hi again Harry, you seem to have a good knowledge of the records available to you there so no need to point you towards the ships and passenger records for the Port of Baltimore 1820-1872 held at the Washington Archives or searchable on Ancestry .com as I'm sure you would have thought to search all of his name variations there, I dont know however why, even if you have only his death notice from a newspaper, that you cant get a copy of his death cert which will give you his approx age as you know where he died and when ?
regards Damsel
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Galena, Jo Daviess County, Illinois, may not have been a howling wilderness in the 1840s, but it had been one within living memory. The earliest records are a bit sketchy. ;)
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;D hi celtic damsel
thank you very much for the infomation yes great website
i will look into sending a search form thank you
i will let you know how i get on with that
stanaway is a road then that fits ive got a photo of mygrandad ,on the back it says in faded pencil 65 stanaway
would you mind taking a photo of it or the street ,the next time you visit dad is kimmage a big place
i hope you can make a connection with the kavanaghs in liverpool ,do you hill family have links with derbyshire or nottinghamshire
best wishes gigg
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Hi Again Gig, no problem on that photo of 65 Stanaway Rd, I will get it for you when I am in Dublin next week, would be interesting to know the name of the family who live there now ? must take a note of the surnames from here and maybe ask when I'm there.
A lot of my own family are buried at the same Cemetry including my mam who passed away this last June so I am there quite often so if you do find you have people there and they give you a map with the plot numbers let me know and I will get some Gravestone photos for you too.
My Hills I am looking at are on my husbands Gibbs side, I am only really starting on them but have gotten as far back as a marraige of his greatgrandparents who were James John Hill (born in Ireland) and Mary Rosina Goldfinch (born in Dover in kent) they were married in Dover in 1869 and moved at some point to Reading in Berkshire where his last 4 children were born, he is dead by the 1891 census so he died possibly in reading between 1881 and 91 , I would love to find where he was from in Ireland as then I could search for him here but I'm not sure where to go from there yet, regards damsel
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hi celtic damsel thank you for the reply ,im sorry to hear about your mum
thank you in advance for the photos ;D it will be great to see were they lived if i can find were any of they are buried ill defenatly let you know
i asked about your hill family as i have a line in the notts area
ive had a look at yours .james john hill married mary rosina goldfinch dec q 1869 dover 2a 1369
james john hill died dec q 1882 wallingford (covers reading)2c 201
ive seen them on the census but only says born ireland
seems he was a gas fitter ,ill pm you
thank you best regards gig
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Hi Damsel, just to say you paint a beautiful picture of Kildare 8). My daughter has promised to take me out there next year, :) as i need to go to Naas, and Newbridge,on a trail of my hogan/tougher marraige. reading your threads has made me look forward to it even more...mo-jo
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Hi there Mo-Jo, glad to know you enjoyed my posts as you can tell I love my adopted home, I am at least a fourth generation Dubliner and I love Dublin but I think I must always have been a country girl at heart as I love it here in little Athy town, the surrounding countryside is so pretty with lovely little villages everywhere, driving around the countryside here is amazing even now in the Winter time , the River Barrow has spread it banks onto the unused farmland out along the road to Carlow and looks amazing, they are obviously well used to this as all of the houses are built well out of reach of the flood and the fields are not used for planting.
You will enjoy your trip I'm sure and should'nt have too much problem finding your "Toughers" at least as that name is still very prevalent in the Naas/ Newbridge area , in fact there's and area in Naas called "Tougher", and a very rich "Tougher" somewhere there too as he owns a chain of Petrol Stations and with the price of petrol here he probably lives in the Bahamas giggles ;D here's the Kildare website for you to have a look at its gives a little information on all of the towns and Villages in the county. http://www.kildare.ie/.
If I can help in any way with your search let me know and again thanks for the feedback, kind regards Damsel
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Hi Gig, sorry for the long delay but I finally got those piccys for you of 65 Stannaway Rd in Dublin yesterday thanks to my sister carrying her camera everywhere with her, giggles, PM me your email and I will pass them on to you ,
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Hi Jud, just wondering if you managed to get across to Ireland yet and how you got on if you did? did you get any more information, I never heard back from that caretaker about the records for Tankardstown cemetry I must give him a ring again and see if he came up with them if you hav'nt gotten anymore info let me know anyhows.
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Hi Damsel,
I visited the graveyard in Tankardstown - it has very few headstones and I didn't find what I was looking for. It's actually in Co. Laois. I checked the Athy parish records again too but didn't find anything new. I will keep looking but I don't think the chances of finding out anything more are high. I would, however, welcome any further suggestions. Thanks for the interest.
Jud
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Hi Jud I assume that the church here in Athy did'nt have the Tankardstown records ? let me know and I will pursue the caretaker for more information and also ask at the church in Kileen for you which is the next nearest village, worth a try maybe even if there are very few headstones there could be a lot of umnarked graves ? let me know anyhows, regards Damsel
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Dear Celtic Damsel
Please will you advise me if the Catholic Church of St Michael, Stanhope St. Athy, has a repository for its records and the address, if you able to. Or can one write to the Parish Priest? I would be looking for the period from about 1775 to 1805.
Thank you so much
Pat
p.s I see from some of your replies and work the Church was not built until 1834, I think you wrote, so bang goes that theory!. However, later on you talk about the old and the new church of St Michael?
If you do not mind the next time you look for graves or stones in the area please will you look out for any Toole's but before 1819, and definitely R.C. Thank you so much you have made your responses very interesting to read and I hope you do not mind me asking you.
Thank you again,
Pat
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Hi geney, was just looking back over posts for something else and on re reading your query it came to me that I probably did'nt say to you there is a town up north of Ireland called "Newry" so if your not positive that the town you were looking for was in Kildare that may be an alternative for you regards Damsel
Hi Celtic Damsel
Thanks for the website to view! The reason I had emailed to ask, was there ever a place named Nury, Ireland because that was on my Gt Grandfathers Census information, but for the rest of the family where they were born, they wrote Ireland and that was hard trying to find their place of birth. I had just found Gt Grandfathers details and wondered if the place was put down wrong or there was a place Nury, but they changed it to Nurney.
Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.
Geney
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Hi Jud I could have sworn I answered this message from you must be losing my marbles here !! As I said to you Tankardstown is just on the border with Laois which is quite close to me here, did St Michaels Church have the records for the Tankardsown cemetry in their office ? if not as I mentioned the nearest Church to the cemetry is in the village of Kileen along the same road further into Laois not sure if its an RC or what but if you want I will check it for you, although you say there are not many headstones there could be a lot of unmarked graves there that would be in the records, regards Damsel
Hi Damsel,
I visited the graveyard in Tankardstown - it has very few headstones and I didn't find what I was looking for. It's actually in Co. Laois. I checked the Athy parish records again too but didn't find anything new. I will keep looking but I don't think the chances of finding out anything more are high. I would, however, welcome any further suggestions. Thanks for the interest.
Jud
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Hi Damsel,
I still have not been able to examine any burial records for any of the graveyards in the area - only the baptismal and marriage records for Athy parish. I can't imagine that there are any burial records as early as 1800 though. Unfortunately my time in Ireland slipped away quickly and I did not get as much done as I wanted to - next time maybe!
Jud
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Hi PK2, the church I mentioned as being in existence since around 1834 is the one at Barrowhouse not St Michaels, the present St Michaels here in the town in Stanhope Street has only been around since the sixties or fifties if memory serves me but was built on the site of the old church , I dont know how long the older one stood but this man, Athy Local History Group Contact: Frank Taaffe,
Ardeigh House, Athy, Co. Kildare Ph: 059-8638181, would I imagine be a mine of that kind of information if you ring him or drop him a line. Or if your Toole's are from Athy and buried in the old cemetry here in the town the records will be in the present church office you have to ring it mornings and speak to the lady who runs the presbytery on 059-8638391, hope this helps, if theres anyhting more I can do let me know if you discover they are buried in St Michaels Cemetry I will call down and get some photos for you, regards Damsel
Dear Celtic Damsel
Please will you advise me if the Catholic Church of St Michael, Stanhope St. Athy, has a repository for its records and the address, if you able to. Or can one write to the Parish Priest? I would be looking for the period from about 1775 to 1805.
Thank you so much
Pat
p.s I see from some of your replies and work the Church was not built until 1834, I think you wrote, so bang goes that theory!. However, later on you talk about the old and the new church of St Michael?
If you do not mind the next time you look for graves or stones in the area please will you look out for any Toole's but before 1819, and definitely R.C. Thank you so much you have made your responses very interesting to read and I hope you do not mind me asking you.
Thank you again,
Pat
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Oke doke Jud I will call into the church in Kileen during the week just to see if there are any records that far back and if they hold them its worth a try for you anyhows you'd ever know, regards Damsel
Hi Damsel,
I still have not been able to examine any burial records for any of the graveyards in the area - only the baptismal and marriage records for Athy parish. I can't imagine that there are any burial records as early as 1800 though. Unfortunately my time in Ireland slipped away quickly and I did not get as much done as I wanted to - next time maybe!
Jud
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Thank you so much Damsel.
It will be probably be easier for me to write to Frank Taaffe and I will do that shortly, and thank you for your kind offer regarding the records if there are any.
Thank you also for explaining about the Church too and now I know there was one it may follow that some of the older records have been kept, and I will ask Frank Taaffe when I write to him. It is a good start thanks to you, that is really great information for me.
Kind regards.
Pat
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Hi
I posted a message on this site back in Jan 2007 but have had no reponses yet. I'm hoping you can help me as you live in the area.
I'm trying to find a Conroy family that lived on a farm in or near Athy. The only concrete clue I have is a catholic memorial card for a Patrick Conroy who died on 20th Jan 1906. Do the burial registers show the address of the deceased or name of spouse?
As you can see from my previous message I have several other names for members of the family and my husband remembers visiting the farm in the 1950s. I have photos of him taken with Athy Conroys in the farmyard.
We are visiting Dublin in May and hope to make a trip out to Athy so any help in pinpointing the farm and any surviving members of the family would be great.
Alor
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Hi Alor, have had a look at your first post also, if your husband visited albeit a long time ago, does he remember the name of the area the farm was in ? or even was it before you arrive in Athy Town, after the town etc? if he can it might help. I will try the St Michaels caretaker tomorrow for the death of your Patrick Conroy as he keeps the records for the cemetry and as I have a dod you never know, otherwise it might be an idea to contact the secretary at St Michaels Church as all of the other relevant records would be there at the church their number is 059-8638391 I think she is only there in te mornings, hope this helps, regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel
Thanks for getting back to me. I have quizzed my husband again and all he remembers is that it was about 1959/60 when he visited the farm with his mother sister, Aunt and cousin. He remembers being asked to go and buy something from the shops which suggests it was not far from the town.
I’ll try and attach a photo which shows my husband and his sister in the farmyard with ducks and maybe members of the Irish Conroy family. Unfortunately they are rather unclear figures but maybe the houses in the background might give you a clue.
Also I have a photo of the Conroy clan taken at the farm in maybe the 1930’s.
I know the woman partly hidden looking over the left shoulder of the woman (known as Cousin Cathy) in the patterned dress is my husband’s grandmother Ellen Mary Conroy (nee Glover), next door but one from her on the right is Min Conroy and sitting at her feet is Elizabeth Flinter. Otherwise I know they are all family but who!! It’s so frustrating and I’m sure there must be Conroys in still in Athy who could identify these people.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Regards
Alor
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Not sure whether you have received photos so will try again
Alor
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Here is the c1930's photo of the Conroy family taken in Athy
Regards
alor
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Hi again Alor
I think I know almost exactly where these photos were taken I have two possibilities looking at the type of houses across the road, the same style ones are in two different places here in the town and both are actually in the town too, just on the outskirts, its doubtful if the farms still is there in one of the locations, but highly possible in the other so I will try there first
I will go and have a look for you tomorrow as its lashing down here today and will take a camera and try replicate that photo should be interesting to see whats at that gate now, I cant recall off the top of my head , anyhow's will try match the houses and we will see where we go from there ok ? regards Damsel
PS if you look again at the two photos it looks to me as though its two different farm entrances as the gate is completely different and also the wall of the house is not the same one old rough building and the other brick ?
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Many thanks Damsel. Look forward to hearing from you. Hope the weather in Athy is better tomorrow.
Regards
Alor
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;D i would like to say a very VERY big thank you to celtic damsel
,and her sister for taking the time and effort to take photos of my grand and greatgrandparents home they are brilliant ,even resending them after id sent a wrong email address :-\ my mum and four aunties will be over the moon to see them
thank you again celtic damsel your both stars
warmest regards gigg ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You are very welcome Gig if theres anything else I can do let me know I will be back to you on my own ancestors there when I have a chance to gather my thoughts again on them my brain is a bit frazzled studying at the moment, I will let my sister (Taid to the Rootschatters) know about your kind words , have a good day regards Damsel
;D i would like to say a very VERY big thank you to celtic damsel
,and her sister for taking the time and effort to take photos of my grand and greatgrandparents home they are brilliant ,even resending them after id sent a wrong email address :-\ my mum and four aunties will be over the moon to see them
thank you again celtic damsel your both stars
warmest regards gigg ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Alor would be good to catch you before you go offline as i have a lot of info for you hang on for a few minutes and let me post you some photos and also PM me with an email addy if you have one as there are too many photos to post here, regards Damsel
Many thanks Damsel. Look forward to hearing from you. Hope the weather in Athy is better tomorrow.
Regards
Alor
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Well Alor I found your farm and in the nick of time too as it has been empty for about 30 years according to locals and was sold to the county council recently and they are going to pull it down to build houses on the spot in the not too distant future but there is some good news, it would appear the last owner was a "Cowlard" and one of the Flinter girls married him, and the remains of both the Conroys and the Flinter families still live in the town.
One of the local Jewellery shops is owned by the Conroys and while they dont remember much abou the farm they have given me the number of a Patrick Flinter in the town who it would be likely would be a relation somewhere along the line of your husband, and apparently he is into genalogy, I will give him a ring for you shortly and see is he is keen to talk to you on the subject if thats ok ? in the meantime I am posting some photos the first is the front of the house the second is the yard your husbands photo was taken in and the other one the other side of the house where the group photo was taken (if you look at the bricks on the side of the house they are the ones on the wall behind them. More in a few minutes
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here the second one now
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and where the group shot was taken
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Now, as I said there are a lot more photos so if you want them send me on a private message your email address and I will pass them on to you, it would seem from chatting to the locals that it was more the farm of the Flinters rather than the Conroys the roads around it are named Flinters Close, Flinters Walk etc even now.
I have left a message for Pat Flinter as he was not answering his mobile he could be still at work so if I get any info there I will let you know, in the meantime regards Damsel
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Hi Alor, it has just occured to me that now you have the address etc you will get a lot of information with regards to the people living at the farm on the 1901 and 1911 census in Dublin when you come over, and also from St Michaels Church here in the town as this would have been there parish and so all of their birth, marriage and death records etc would be in the office here, you can phone Elaine who runs the office and she will do a search for €10 or a detailed search including cert for €32.
I also found out the the Cemetry records are held in the Town Council Offices here in the town and they can be viewed if you call into them.
No luck on getting Pat Flinter yet but hopefully he will contact me. I had a wander in St Michaels Cemetry this morning as I was that end of the town and I found your Flinters and Conroys (I think) buried next to each other in two seperate graves that are side by side, The one headstone is very hard to read but from what I could read there is a John Conroy who died May19th 1869 aged 58 and a Margaret Conroy looks like 1857 age 75, there are a lot of people in the flinter grave which is a double side by side I took photos of both for you but when I got home I discovered my camera is on the blink and they were so blurred you cant see anyhting GRRR, I did notice yesterday that it was not the best alright however I will borrow the hubbies camera and repeat the photos probably in the morning. I will send a few of them by mail but they are really blurred soory,regards Damsel
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Thats a shame Jud cos I just discovered that anyone can call into the Town Council offices here in Athy and look at all of the burial records for the area, a bit time consuming for me but anyone visiting will want to know where they are and that they are available to peruse I'm sure, regards Damsel
Hi Damsel,
I still have not been able to examine any burial records for any of the graveyards in the area - only the baptismal and marriage records for Athy parish. I can't imagine that there are any burial records as early as 1800 though. Unfortunately my time in Ireland slipped away quickly and I did not get as much done as I wanted to - next time maybe!
Jud
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Thanks again Damsel
I had planned to visit the National Archives and look at the 1901/1911 Censuses but need a few tips.
Do I need to search for the farm on Stradbally Road, Athy or is there a way of searching for specific surnames in Athy Town in the census returns?
Also regarding Cemetery record held at the Town Council Offices - do I need to call in advance and make an appointment or can I just turn up on the day and make a request?
Regards
Alor
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you can just turn up at the office and request to see the cemetry records Alor, re the census If you have a look here on the National Archives website it gives you details on searching the census, you can search by are, townland etc and also the street the farm is on is called "Woodstock Street" which as I said is on the Stradbally road, hence your "Woodstock Cottage " address I dont know if the farm would have been called that though. http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/censusrtns.html
hope you have received all the new sharp photos and I wish you luck with your search from here on in, if theres anything else I can help you with let me know and if I hear from Pat Flinter I will pass it on, regards Damsel
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Hi Again Alor, hope you are having fun with those photos trying to figure out if they are related etc? I just wanted to let you know that I have been trying to get Pat Flinter at all times of the day and get their answering machine so I think they must be on holiday at the moment, Elaine at the church told me he is retired that he used to own a music shop in the town for many years so as I say I think they must be away but I wont forget if I dont hear anything back in a week or so I will try again, ok have a nice weekend , this weekend is the St Patricks Bank Holiday here so we are all looking forward to a few days off in the country hiding out from all the hoards of American Tourists in Dublin giggles, regards Damsel
Thanks again Damsel
I had planned to visit the National Archives and look at the 1901/1911 Censuses but need a few tips.
Do I need to search for the farm on Stradbally Road, Athy or is there a way of searching for specific surnames in Athy Town in the census returns?
Also regarding Cemetery record held at the Town Council Offices - do I need to call in advance and make an appointment or can I just turn up on the day and make a request?
Regards
Alor
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Hi Damsel
Yes! I'm getting a headache trying to find out how the Finters and Conroys fit together.
Most of that will have to wait until our visit when we can consult archives in person.
Have a good bank holiday hiding in the countryside! I look forward to hearing from you if Patrick Flinter gets in touch.
Regards
Alor
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Hi Damsel,
Thanks for the info on the burial records - will try to look at them next time I'm in Ireland. Do you happen to know who I would need to contact to see the Church of Ireland records for Athy? I know that they are in local hands - do you know of a name or address?
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The COI currently in Athy is St Michaels COI, Church Rd, Athy Rev Jeffers 059-8631446, I woud think that the records are kept there but depends I guess on how far back, if you read my earlier posts on this section you will see that there is an old cemetry called St Johns, I have a record of all the burials there if you want me to check something out for you ? let me know, but you could contact him and he will know all that, otherwise they are all kept centrally as well in Dublin at the COI library the librarian and archivist is a Dr R Refaussé
Address: Braemor Park, Churchtown, Dublin 14
Tel: +353 (0)1 4923979
their website is http://www.ireland.anglican.org/library/libroots.html you can get all the details you want by emailing them, I think they do a search for around €10, hope this helps ? regards Damsel
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Hi again Gig, forget to say thanks for the lookup on my Great grandparents we feel this marraige you find id probably the right one so have sent off for the cert which will be the first progress my sister and I have made on the search or either side of our family for a long time so fingers crossed, its possible the birth you found for Mary is correct to them as well naughty things !! giggles, not sure how we could prove this to be the case if you did'nt find another Mary born after then its likely to be her dont you think? The other side we are searching is my Maternal Grandfather who was an owens from Wales, or so the family lore goes but even after lots of help from lovely rootschatters we never seem to find the family as a group on the census, we are tumped by this one, regards Damsel
;D hello celtic damsel thank you for your reply im afraid i dont have any addresses or anything to narrow it down
the birth cert is not the origianal but one my granddad sent for in the 80s although we did discover he was celabrating his birthday
a day early ,his reply ,oh im not as old as i thought i was ;D
the family were rc ,my mum seems to think they later moved to kimmage or a place called stanaway ,the latter might be a street
but i dont know were theses places are thank you for the offer to look up but please dont go out of your way especially if the weathers the same there as it is here
on your relatives ,wow thats a tough one i carnt find them on the census returns do you know were in derby they were
i found a mary kavanagh born jan q 1899 in west derby 8b 405
but thats in lancaster
i did however find a mary kavanagh born march 1899 in liverpool
8b 24 then in june 1899 a john kavanagh married a esther
smyth ,dont know if that is a type error or correct spelling
in liverpool 8b 1899 i only mention these as liverpool is the port across from ireland so they could have been on the way over here or there just a thought but im sure youve already seen these in your research , this really is a puzzerler if theses any other info you have on them id be glad to help ,may i ask were your hill relatives came from
thank you for your time best regards gig ;D
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Hi again Gig, did the death record for James Hill say how old he was when he died please ? regards Damsel
hi celtic damsel thank you for the reply ,im sorry to hear about your mum
thank you in advance for the photos ;D it will be great to see were they lived if i can find were any of they are buried ill defenatly let you know
i asked about your hill family as i have a line in the notts area
ive had a look at yours .james john hill married mary rosina goldfinch dec q 1869 dover 2a 1369
james john hill died dec q 1882 wallingford (covers reading)2c 201
ive seen them on the census but only says born ireland
seems he was a gas fitter ,ill pm you
thank you best regards gig
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Hey Everyone, anyone got any good news on their research for me ? been away from the board for ages stuck into studying would love to hear any good news stories for you all, regrads Damsel
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Hi Damsel
I wonder if you can help me.
My Father in law was Gerard Patrick Crawley, he was born in 1923. I think his father was called Michael and his mother was called Bridget. There was also another son. I am trying to find out any information about the family. I know that they lived in Athy, but I don't know if they moved there or originated from there.
Not a lot to go on I know but its all I have.
Any help would be greatly apreciated.
Thanks
Chris Line
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Hi Christine, as you say not a lot to go on, do you have an age for any of them? date of death if deceased, where they died etc ? any other small piece of information at all might give me something to go on , regards Damsel
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I think Michael died about 1947 and Bridget about 1962. I don't know if they died in Athey.
Also I beleive that Gerards brother died in a motorcycle accident in the 1940s, I think he was going to be a priest.
But these are not necessarily facts they may just be family stories.
By the way i am male please call me Chris rather than Christine.
Thanks for any help
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sorry about the name I was sitting here reading and typing without my glasses , silly fool !! I will take a look at the burial records for the town during the week for you for in and around the dates you have and see if anyone turns up but that's about all I can think to do for you really with such a small amount of info but yoiu never know something might turn up, I assume they were RC ? do you have any idea of age at death ?
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Hi
They were definately RC. The Brother would have been between 16 and early 20s. I don't really know about the others. Unfortunately my Father in law is dead. My Mother in lae only met his mother a couple of times.
Thanks
Chris
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Well Chris as I said I will have a look at the burial records during the week for you and see if they are registered as being in the cemetry here in the town, if I find anything I will let you know, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you but it's a longshot, regards Damsel
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Hiya Damsel,
I've just posted details of people named Crawley who were in Athy at the time the Valuations took place there in 1851 on chrisline's other thread ... Crawley family in Athy. (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,216004.msg1253527.html#msg1253527)
Christopher
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Hi Damsel
I have been speaking with my Mother in law. She says that Bridget died in Blackrock so you won't find her death in Athy. But Michael did die in Athy and the brother. She also told me that Michael had a shop in Athy. She thinks Gerry was born in Athy. One thing she knows which may not help is that they had a horse called dolly!
Thanks
for your help
Chris
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Hi Damsel
I have been speaking with my Mother in law. She says that Bridget died in Blackrock so you won't find her death in Athy. But Michael did die in Athy and the brother. She also told me that Michael had a shop in Athy. She thinks Gerry was born in Athy. One thing she knows which may not help is that they had a horse called dolly!
Thanks
for your help
Chris
Hiya Chris,
Was Dolly a thoroughbred ??? The family trees of horses tend to be much better than those of people :D
Christopher
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Well Christopher dont know about Chrislines Dolly, but as I am in right royal, and world famous Horse Country here in Kildare, I myself am definitly a thoroughbred, and I would have to say that I have met more thoroughbreds than Nags herabouts ! giggles
Hi Damsel
I have been speaking with my Mother in law. She says that Bridget died in Blackrock so you won't find her death in Athy. But Michael did die in Athy and the brother. She also told me that Michael had a shop in Athy. She thinks Gerry was born in Athy. One thing she knows which may not help is that they had a horse called dolly!
Thanks
for your help
Chris
Hiya Chris,
Was Dolly a thoroughbred ??? The family trees of horses tend to be much better than those of people :D
Christopher
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Hi Chris, just to let you know I am not forgetting about you I have just been so up to my eyes with study and assignments being handed in that I really hav'nt had time to bless myself !! I will put together the little you do have and head down to look at the records round about Thursday next week when I take an hour or so off study and let you know if I come up with anything, I'm not sure the Dolly connection will yield much information however but I would take offence to Christopher alluding to the fact that you might have had a Nag in the family tree !! giggles
Hi Damsel
I have been speaking with my Mother in law. She says that Bridget died in Blackrock so you won't find her death in Athy. But Michael did die in Athy and the brother. She also told me that Michael had a shop in Athy. She thinks Gerry was born in Athy. One thing she knows which may not help is that they had a horse called dolly!
Thanks
for your help
Chris
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Damsel
My Mother in Law has added she thinks the brothers name was Harry. He was definitately training to be apriest.
As for Dolly, I think she had to work for her food, possilbly pulling a cart or trap.
i am away for the next week so if you post I will reply when I return.
Many thanks
Chris
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oke doke enjoy your holiday, regards Damsel
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My aunt died in Athy home for elderly - does that place still exists as I would like to visit it there and when in Athy is the home if it is still there.
Any help would be appreciated.
emilyrose
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There is a Hospital here in the town called St Vincents , it is for the care of the elderly, you do'nt mention a year ? this is the only place I know of, regards Damsel
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Thank you Damsel, the year was in 50's I think could you let me have the address of St Vincents and a transport service there, ie from Dublin. I will probably make a trip there soon to see if I can find out any information. Has the place changed of is it still the same.
Many thanks
emilyrose
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I need help finding Wynne's buried in Athy and around the 1865 to 1869 period. The family was COI and were wife and children of Robert Wynne, Esq. An address on a letter of this time period was Grangemellon, Athy. You mentioned having a list of burials for St. John's cemetery. Perhaps they are there. Thanks for looking. Marilyn
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Hi again EmilyRose .
St. Vincents, Athy 0507-31614 if you need it, as for if it looks the same , I have only lived in Athy for about 14 months so I'm not sure how long the hospital has been there so I have added their number for you and I'm sure someone there would be able to tell you, but I would think it's been there a long time, its in an area called Woodstock here in Athy, not too far a walk form the trian if your reasonably fit about 15 minutes, you can get trains from Heuston Station in Dublin, time tables at http://www.irishrail.ie/home/, if you need detailed directions from the train or anything else do let meknow, regards Damsel
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Many thanks for that info Damsel
regards
emilyrose
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I need help finding Wynne's buried in Athy and around the 1865 to 1869 period. The family was COI and were wife and children of Robert Wynne, Esq. An address on a letter of this time period was Grangemellon, Athy. You mentioned having a list of burials for St. John's cemetery. Perhaps they are there. Thanks for looking. Marilyn
Hi There, I have looked at the burials in St Johns cemetry but no Wynnes I'm afraid, Grangemellon is an area about three miles outside Athy Town on the Carlow Road, the Church of Ireland is also on the same road their number is 059-8631446, you could check them for records for the period ?, otherwise the central library for COI is online for contact deatils at http://www.ireland.anglican.org/ ,they do searches if you have approx dates for about €10, if I can be of any further help let me know, regards Damsel
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HI Damsel - is there any good B&B's in Athy as I may stay for a couple of days there when I get the time to visit or is there an hotel in the town.
Regards
emilyrose
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http://www.carlton.ie/abbeyhotel.html and http://www.clanardcourt.ie/
Those are the two hotels in the town both very nice, there are dozens of good B&B's if you need numbers for them let me know, I have a couple of photos I took this evening while out walking of St Vincents Hospital for you if you give me an email address, it was built in 1843 its a lovely old building though it used to be the old Workhouse/Poor house originally so I would'nt think it was a very nice place to be in those days, regards Damsel
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I need help finding Wynne's buried in Athy and around the 1865 to 1869 period. The family was COI and were wife and children of Robert Wynne, Esq. An address on a letter of this time period was Grangemellon, Athy. You mentioned having a list of burials for St. John's cemetery. Perhaps they are there. Thanks for looking. Marilyn
Hi Again Marilyn, I forgot to say if you do get an idea where they are buried let me know and I will get photos of the graves if you want, regards Damsel
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Hi Chris, just to let you know I am not forgetting about you I have just been so up to my eyes with study and assignments being handed in that I really hav'nt had time to bless myself !! I will put together the little you do have and head down to look at the records round about Thursday next week when I take an hour or so off study and let you know if I come up with anything, I'm not sure the Dolly connection will yield much information however but I would take offence to Christopher alluding to the fact that you might have had a Nag in the family tree !! giggles
Hi Damsel
I have been speaking with my Mother in law. She says that Bridget died in Blackrock so you won't find her death in Athy. But Michael did die in Athy and the brother. She also told me that Michael had a shop in Athy. She thinks Gerry was born in Athy. One thing she knows which may not help is that they had a horse called dolly!
Thanks
for your help
Chris
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Damsel
My Mother in Law has added she thinks the brothers name was Harry. He was definitately training to be apriest.
As for Dolly, I think she had to work for her food, possilbly pulling a cart or trap.
i am away for the next week so if you post I will reply when I return.
Many thanks
Chris
Hi again Chris, just a quickie to again let you know I am not forgetting that promise to go and check the records for you, I have been so bogged down with study that I hav'nt had a minute at all to go down as I know if I do I will be there for hours on end to search thourely, my final exam is next Tuesday morning early TG !!! so I will be once again free after that and will go down I promise next week, regards Damsel
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Question: When someone died in the middle 1800's, would the family transport the bodies to another county for burial? In this case, the Wynne's had family buried in Stabannan Cemetery, County Louth. But Robert Wynne and family were living in Grangemellon, Athy, Co. Kildare when his wife and several children died.
You gave me the telephone # for the COI but do you have an address or email address for this Church? I find communication so much easier when in print.
Thank you again, Marilyn
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Hi It's unlikely, but not of course impossible that if they lived in Athy they would have been sent to Louth for burial,it is quite a long way away but then again maybe if there was a famly plot there in Louth. one famlily member or so may have been taken there.
I would say though that they are more likely buried here in Athy.
here is the contact details for the church here in the town
The Revd C.P. Jeffers - Incumbent
The Rectory
Church Road
Athy
Co Kildare
(059) 8631446
(059) 8631490
but for a more comprehensive search the web address I gave you is the central library for all of the COI records in Churchtown in Dublin, hope this helps, regards Damsel
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I will give your suggestions a try......thanks again. Marilyn
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Damsel
My Mother in Law has added she thinks the brothers name was Harry. He was definitately training to be apriest.
As for Dolly, I think she had to work for her food, possilbly pulling a cart or trap.
i am away for the next week so if you post I will reply when I return.
Many thanks
Chris
Hi Chris, I am off to look at those burial records today so if I come up with anything for you I will post later , regards Damsel
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Damsel
My Mother in Law has added she thinks the brothers name was Harry. He was definitately training to be apriest.
As for Dolly, I think she had to work for her food, possilbly pulling a cart or trap.
i am away for the next week so if you post I will reply when I return.
Many thanks
Chris
Hi Chris, spent a couple of hours trolling through the books at the Council offices today , I searched from 1939 to 1960 and found only one record and its for your Michael Crawley late of William Street ,Athy, (which is a continuation of the main street.) He was 71 years when he died on the 26th of September 1944, the informant of his death was also a Michael Crawley ( I assume another son) there was not even one other with the name Crawley in all those years, so I decided to go to St Michaels Cemetry and see if I could locate the grave but in the book it only gave the section number and no plot number, however a little perceverance and a lot of rain !! and I found it only to discover someone else buried there also, the stone reads " In loving memory of my dear husband Michael Crawley died 26th September 1944 and of our darling son James H Crawley (your Harry I assume) died 22nd may 1937, as far as I can see it does not give his age but the stone is very faded and the grave is very neglected so there is obviously no family left in the town here, the stone was erected by Bridget Crawley. Hope this helps ? I have some photos of the grave if you send me your email addy on a PM. Just as a matter of interest the first record I found that I think might also be connected to this family is the death of an infant named Michael 1 year in 1955 his fathers name was given as Brendan Crowley, slightly different spelling but this could be a mistake on the part of the registrar as the address was 44 William Street ?, he was buried in a different section and on a day that the weather is a bit kinder I will have a look for you and see if there is a headstone which will confirm a mistake on the name or not and maybe if it was a mistake and they are Crawleys as welll more rellies in the grave for you to add ! ok I'm off to get dry if I can help in any other way let me know, regards Damsel
PS: No sign of Dolly the horse sorry ! ;D
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Hi again from Marilyn......Request: I need the address for Church of Ireland and Rev. Jeffers. Also an email if they have one. Many thanks!
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Hi again from Marilyn......Request: I need the address for Church of Ireland and Rev. Jeffers. Also an email if they have one. Many thanks!
hi if you check up this page I already gave you the address ?? I dont have an email I'm afraid, regards Damsel
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Damsel....I didn't realize that addresses were that simple...thanks, Marilyn
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simple as that Marilyn, no problem, good luck , let me know if you find a burial place, heres a photo of the sign at church my sister gave to me I had forgotten we had it , ::) regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel, Thanks for the photos of Kill churchyard, shame only a few of the headstones are readable. I got email back from the RCB library regarding Kill burial records saying they have registers that can be consulted or pay them 10 euros to do a search. Also had email back from Brian McCabe regarding my request for Bishops Court info. This is going too well. Thanks again John
Hi John, was just looking back through posts to see if I forgot anyone I promised help to and wondered if you had anymore luck with your serach, did you get anything worthwhile back from the COI Library? You going to the Dublin Meet tomorrow night, hopefully they will get a good turnout , regards Damsel
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Damsel
My Mother in Law has added she thinks the brothers name was Harry. He was definitately training to be apriest.
As for Dolly, I think she had to work for her food, possilbly pulling a cart or trap.
i am away for the next week so if you post I will reply when I return.
Many thanks
Chris
Hi Chris in addition to what I have sent and said about your Crawleys already, I came across this in a 20's 30's trade directory for Athy town this morning while looking fo something for someone else and thought it might interest you as it mentions your Crawleys and gives trades for them , regards Damsel
Crawley.M, William St, Drapers
Crawley. M, William St, Dealers
Crawey William, William St, Grocers, Wine and Spirit
Crawley M, Woodstock St, Grocers, Wine and Spirit
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Damsel
Thanks for that info. Did you get my PM?
Chris
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Yes I did Chris I sent you through the piccys on mail ?? strange you obviously did'nt get them when you are asking did I get the PM? if thats the case send me your email addy again, I will have to do the photos again as I erased the from the camera after I sent them , regards Damsel
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Hi Chris as requested I have sent you the photos of the Crawley grave again , hope you get them this time, regards Damsel
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:-[hi celtic damsel
i was just scrolling and saw you had asked me a few querys
all the way back in march i think im really sorry i never had any email alerts , please dont think i was bieing rude, i will reread the thread and get back to you asap have you got any further since then.
warmest regards gig
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;D hi celtic damsel john james hill was 39 according to free bmd hope this is correct and fits with what you have
regards gig
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no problem GIG thanks fr the info, Damsel
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I don't know if you recall me, but several months ago we had a discussion concerning my ancestor, Matthew Dwen, who came from Athy in County Kildare. I have some new information which I hope will help. One thing I don't have is a birth year. I have several documents, including court records of his naturalization and church (Catholic) records of his marriage, but nothing lists an age. He was married in 1824 so a birth year of 1800 plus or minus is reasonable. He was naturalized in 1828 and the court record merely states that he immigrated as a minor.
The big breakthrough is a possible sibling, Patrick Joseph Dwen. He was a Catholic priest and there's quite a lot known about him. He was born "at Shrowlon, Parish Athy, County Kildare, Ireland, in 1795." Patrick's naturalization court records suggest a 1797 birth year. There are several points of correlation between Patrick and Matthew but, of course, no direct evidence that they were brothers. Patrick had a sister named Anastasia. Also, I've found a reference to a Peter Dwen who may have been Matthew's brother (they appear to have been in business together). "Dwen" seems pretty well established as the correct surname although "Duane--pronounced Dwen" is still a possiblity. All other variations are clerical errors. This has been an issue in the past.
Is it possible, given the above, to find records of Patrick's birth? Are there siblings, particularly a Matthew?
Harry Connors
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Hi Harry, the area you are referring to is spelled Srowland it is about 2 miles west of Athy Town and would come under the parish of St Michaels.
Therefore probably the best course of action would be to write to the parish office and give the family names and some approx dates and say that you are looking for any information on the Dwen family here in Athy in particular the clerygman.
I also put the name Dwen in on Irish Ancestors, (link below for you) and it says there is information on at least 7 families with the name available along with other information so if you go on there you will be able to purchase that information directly from them. The address for the church office are St Michaels Parish Office, Stanhope St. Athy, Co Kildare and Elaine there will do a search for a €10 fee and also send certs for an additional fee this may send up a few results for you.
If you get anything specific and you want grave photos etc let me know, but if I was to go search now for you in Dublin with the information you have it would be very time consuming and I would have to charge for my services and time which I am reluctant to do as the registrar here in the church will not allow me to search her records so it would require a trip to the national Library in Dublin and a long day or two scrolling through the records there etc so do try Irish ancestors and the church and I will ask some of the locals in the meantime and if I come up with anything will let you know.
Good luck with the hunt and let me know if you get anymore I feel you should with what you have already, regards Damsel
http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/genie/
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I don't know if you recall me, but several months ago we had a discussion concerning my ancestor, Matthew Dwen, who came from Athy in County Kildare. I have some new information which I hope will help. One thing I don't have is a birth year. I have several documents, including court records of his naturalization and church (Catholic) records of his marriage, but nothing lists an age. He was married in 1824 so a birth year of 1800 plus or minus is reasonable. He was naturalized in 1828 and the court record merely states that he immigrated as a minor. just wondering if you read my reply to your message harry ?
The big breakthrough is a possible sibling, Patrick Joseph Dwen. He was a Catholic priest and there's quite a lot known about him. He was born "at Shrowlon, Parish Athy, County Kildare, Ireland, in 1795." Patrick's naturalization court records suggest a 1797 birth year. There are several points of correlation between Patrick and Matthew but, of course, no direct evidence that they were brothers. Patrick had a sister named Anastasia. Also, I've found a reference to a Peter Dwen who may have been Matthew's brother (they appear to have been in business together). "Dwen" seems pretty well established as the correct surname although "Duane--pronounced Dwen" is still a possiblity. All other variations are clerical errors. This has been an issue in the past.
Is it possible, given the above, to find records of Patrick's birth? Are there siblings, particularly a Matthew?
Harry Connors
Hi harry Just wondering if you read my reply to the message you sent me ?
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Sorry, I was out of town for several days last week. Yes, I read the reply (I have the board set to notify me by email when there is a reply). I meant to send you a thankyou, but was pressed for time when I read the response and later thought I had sent it. ::) Oh well. I have been following up on your suggestions.
One thing that is clearer, now, is the year of birth of Patrick Dwen. He was born in 1795. The other date, 1797, was from an abstract from court records on file at a courthouse a few hundred miles from here. I sent for photocopies of the actual records and found an error in the abstract. Also, the court records contain what appear to be two of Patrick's signatures. He spelled his name Dwen. That isn't a clerical error. As a priest, one assumes he was educated.
I've done some Internet searching for St. Michael's in Athy. It looks like St. Michael's is a very old church and the online descriptions makes it sound like a ruin. Is this the same St. Michael's that you refer to? Or, am I just confusing things.
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Hi Harry thats grand just wanted to make sure the page informed you.
No, looking for the Old St Michaels will just confuse the issue you need to contact the present St Michales Church for any information especially as you know the spelling for certain now, I would be interested to hear if you get anything from them, regards and happy hunting, Damsel
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Wondered if you can help .Have just visited Athy but found that most of the places I needed to visit for information were closed on Monday ie the parish records office of St Michaels and the Library .I am looking for information on the family of Mary Fleming --married name Tyrell --who died aged 26 in 1923 She had a son called James who married a nancy allcock She had a couple of sisters but do not know their names .
Another query does St Vincents hospital have records of all births there especially if the baby died soon after birth or would that be in the parish records as well Hopefully you can help ,Thank you
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Hi There, firstly I did'nt know myself that the parish office closed on Monday but then that does'nt surprise me, there is just one woman there that runs it and already the opening hours have been cut to mornings only.
The only thing I can do are look at the burial records which are are the town council offices here in the town for you and see if your rellies are buried here.
As for St Vincents Hospital they would have no records at all as when the nuns left they (so I have been told) threw out a lot of old records including the burials in the paupers graveyard across the road from the hospital ! why dont ask me ! so the births/Deaths/Marraiges, would be searchable only at the records office in Lombard Street in Dublin or by applying by post to the head offices address can be found on http://www.groireland.ie/ .
A copy of the records for St Michaels can be found at the library in Newbridge town. Hope some of this helps and I will have a look at the burial records for you tomorrow , regards Damsel
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Is it worth me writing to the parish office do you think she may help if I offer a donation to the church.Thanks for your help
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Hi, You could write it would seem if you are not able to get to the records office in Dublin it would be your only way , they do charge for a seach I think it's about €10 and obviously extra for any certs I have another lady waiting now at the moment for informaton from her, although she has paid her already it's been over two months promised out !!, I will try to get to look at the burial records for you before the the weekend, she will also only issue certs that are over a hundred years old regards Damsel
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Hi I am trying to trace my gt.gt granmothers family she was Julia Chanders born 1822 in Kildare married Edward Moore and they came to England around 1851.They had daughter Jane 1845 son Thomas 1850 in Kildare and not sure if my gt grandmother Elizabeth was born there or in England in 1852.
If anyone has any info on the Chanders family or Moore I would be so greatful.
thanks Pam
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Hi Pam, do you know if this family were from Athy? or just Kildare? if just Kildare then you would be best to post a request on the Kildare board and you might have some luck as the only thing I can check for you here are burial records, hope this helps? Damsel
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Hi Damsel,
Is it possible for everyone to get details of relatives that was buried in Kildare.
Many thanks
emilyrose
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Hi Damsel there is a Michael Chanders from Athy could possibly be a relative of Julia's.
Thanks Pam
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Hiya yes it should be here in Athy the cemetry records are held at the town council offices and anyone can ask to look at them, I would think that's the case for most of the towns in KIldare, regards Damsel
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:) hey and happy seasons greetings from the Damsel, hav'nt been on for a while due to work demands I have been chasing my own tail for months now ! Just thought I would pop in and tell anyone interested in Athy that this week the Local Photographic Society have launched their 2008 images of Athy Calendar.
It includes some beautiful images of the town and it's environs and a preview of it can be viewed at www.athyphoto.com. It will be available in all of the towns shops and offices but postage can be arranged also so if anyone is interested in it mail me, the cost of the calendar and envelope is €7.00 plus the postage to wherever you are in the world. :)
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Hello Damsel,
I did get a response from Elaine at St. Michael's. She sent photocopies of several pages of her Baptismal records index. It doesn't look like any of the records are the right people. She looked at several variations of "Dwen." She didn't find any record of a Matthew Dwen, my ancestor. She found a record of a Patrick Dunn, born in 1804, but that sounds a bit young for what I was looking for. There was a Peter Duen, born in 1760 (four children in that family and four different spellings of the surname). According to a 1828 Baltimore directory, Matthew and Peter were partners in a carding machine. Peter Duen sounds pretty old to be Matthew's brother (though I suppose he could be Matthew's father).
The bottom line is that it looks like I need to see if I can find anything else here before trying Irish records again. Thanks for the information, though.
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Hi Damsel,
Just read your message that the cemetery records are in the Town Offices.
Is that anywhere near Athy train station as I am coming back to Ireland again in March to see what else I can find and if I'm really lucky find my elusive G grandmother.
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Hi Jasper the town council offices are about a five-ten minute walk from the station (depending on how fast you walk !) in the centre of the town not far at al,l good luck with the search if you need directions PM me and I will send a little map ? regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel,
I've come to a halt on my research into my ggg grandfather - John Dunn. Details are below:
Born around 1777 in County Kildare, Ireland. Died in Jan. 1862 (age 85) in St.Pancras Workhouse, London.
Married Ann Williams in 1826 at St. Pancras Old Church, London. He was age 49 and described as 'widower' .
Occupation: smith.
Sons: William and Thomas, born in St Pancras, London.
My grandfather (father's line) was Frederick William Dunn and gg grandfather was Thomas Dunn.
I'd like to find out when and why John came to England from Ireland; I've got one record for John Dunn's birth details in Barrowhouse (or Barrowford) Parish/District Athy, Co. Kildare on 10 June 1777, but don't know whether this is the 'right' person.
If I could find details of his first marriage - where and who to, e.g. in Ireland or England, I could try to find more information of the period between this and his second marriage.
Any info. whatsoever please from anyone who might be researching the same or part of this family tree. Thanks.
Peter
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HI There, Barrowhouse is just outside Athy on the border with Laois , it's a very small place with just a small pretty Church with a cemetry joined onto it a few scattered houses, The records for the area are held at the big church here in Athy, St Michaels, so if you wrote to the registrar there with what you do have, his approx DOB and Barrowhouse as his parish, and ask her to do a search you might come up with something but she is very slow to do anything with requests and as she is the only one with access to the records in the area it can be very frustrating indeed !
I believe a copy of the records are held at the Library in Newbridge so if you do manage a trip over you could while away a few hours going through them and maybe come up wih something yourself, otherwise maybe as a local researcher to undertake the search for you but I know they are notoriously expensive. As to why he left Ireland it was before the famine struck Ireland so you can rule that out as a reason, most emigrants then would simply have been looking for work I would imagine ? sorry cant be of much help, if it was possible for me to do a quick search for you it would be no problem but no one is allowed to I'm afraid, regards Damsel
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Thanks very much for that Damsel. That's given me a good idea of possible things to consider.
All the best,
Peter
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Hi Damsel - you hae been so helpful and I hope I am not taking advantage of your generosity but I am looking to find a group that does volunteering, as I got a sister in a care home in Kildare and need someone to take her out of the home for a treat like shopping or maybe for a coffee shop. She will be in the home on Christmas day with no one to visit her and I unfortunately have a knee injury and cannot travel until I get an operation on it after Christmas. If you know of such a group would you be kind enough to let me know. :'(
I know this is way of topic but I am desperate to find some one in Kildare to be kind enough to do this for me.
Many thanks
emilyrose
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Hi There, I just did a ring round after I got your message but there does'nt seem to be anyone that does hospital visits I'm afraid here in Athy, but then I noticed yo :)u did'nt actually say Athy, where exactly is the Nursing home and I can try the town its in for you > regards Damsel
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The nursing home is in Kildare Town and I have been doing a bit of research my self and I have found numbers that I can ring but I fear that it maybe too late for Christmas but perhaps after Christmas I will ring them to see if they can do visits
Many thanks Damsel - you are such a good kind person always willing to help people.
Have a wonderful Christmas and New Year in 2008 :)
emilyrose.
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No Problem EmilyRose if you give me the numbers I will call them for you in the morning as it wont cost me anything to call them I have a modem phone and it will be expensive for you, I hope we can get something sorted out for your sister, regards Damsel
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Many thanks Damsel - but I am not sure if they will be open tomorrow
The people that I have found are:
Altziemers Society
Contact:Claire McNally
Address:1657 Pairc Mhuire
Newbridge
Co Kildare
Tel: 045 433603
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Kildare Ative Retirement Group
Contact:Mary Scott
Address:Tully East
Kildare Town
Co. Kildare
Tel: 045 521776
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Kildare Mental Health Association
Contact:Susan or Sinead
Address:Tus Nua
Dublin Road
Kildare Town
Co Kildare
Tel: 045 521220
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Kildare St Vincent De Paul Day Care Centre
Contact:Sean Forune
Address:St Conleth Day Care Centre
Bride Street
Kildare Town
Kildare
Tel: 045 521748
St Conleth's Day Care Centre
Contact:Sean Fortune
Address:Bride Street
Kildare Town
Co Kildare
Tel: 045 521748
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The Carers Association
Contact:John Farren
Address:New Row
Naas
Co Kildare
Tel: 045 889513
There are the ones that are nearby the Kildare where the care home is called Louderville
I am not sure how to send a pm but I think you may have me email address as you kindly sent me some photos of St Vincents in Athy
emilyrose
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HI There, no luck on most of those numbers but waiting for the lady from the active retirement group to ring me back so fingers crossed, what is your sisters name Emily Rose? you can Pm it to me by clicking on my name at my picture and click on send a PM , regards Damsel
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Hi there, that lady finally got back to me and she said a group in Kildare called CYMS do hospital visiting around Christmas time but they do it as a party and carol singing etc the week before, she does not know of anyone that does it on an individual basis.
Most of those numbers are associations and as you said are now closed for the holiday, so it's possible that one of them do it, or at least know of someone who does, so while I'm sorry to say, it is probably too late to organise anything now, I will contact them after Christmas for future reference for you.
It's such a pity I did'nt know earlier on in the week while they were all still open and sorry again I could'nt be of any help. I wish you and your's a very Happy Christmas and hope your knee op goes well in the new year, regards Damsel
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Thank you for all your help so far, I though I had left it too late, however I may get someone to do this for me in the new year.
It was very kind of you to take the time to do this for me and thank you very much.
emilyrose
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No Probelm at all and a very Happy Christmas to you too, Regards Damsel
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Hello Damsel, just wondered if your offer of help in Athy was still open & whether look-ups in St Michaels RC, Athy registers would be included? If not don’t worry, I thought it was worth asking the question.
If you can do a look-up for me I’m after the marriage details of Michael Rooney & Brigid(?) Dunne in August 1894. All the information from the register would be brilliant, especially if Michael’s father is named.
Also, if you feel particularly generous with your time, because there are numerous Rooney births in Athy, I am unable to pinpoint whether any of the following children ‘belong’ to Michael & Brigid. Hopefully their baptisms will be recorded in St Michaels registers, helping to eliminate the others.
Info from Irish Birth Indexes
Sep quarter 1894 John
Jun quarter 1895 Joseph
Sep quarter 1896 Evaline / Clavine
Dec quarter 1896 Joseph
Jun quarter 1898 Patrick
Dec quarter 1898 John
Many thanks for your time. Regards, TonyR.
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Hi Tony, sorry I cant be of help to you I'm afraid as I have explained on earlier pages the records are not available to the general Joe Soap to look at , and the lady who is the only one authorised is extrememly slow at filling requests but if you send a letter with a donation and the information you have she gets round to it eventually, otherwise I think there are copies of them in the Library in Newbridge Town and of course aqll BDM would be kep in the central registry in Dublin, regards Damsel
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Hello Damsel. soz I didn't spot your earlier comments about St Michaels. Thanks for your time. Regards, TonyR.
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No problem Tony its very frustrating for me being here and not being able to do that for folks sorry hope she gets a move on when u send to her, regards Damsel
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Hello Celtic Damsel, I feel you must be exhausted, scuttling around Athy & it's environs. If you are not yet worn out. Do you know anything about a place called Kilboggan, NR. Suncroft. My g.g. grandfather William Callaghan was born/baptized there in 1861. I would like to track down the Roman Catholic church where the event could have occurred. His parent's Thomas & Ann Callaghan they were probably married in the same church. I would love to know more about this place. Can you help? Many thank's. Beavis
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Hi Beavis, Scuttling? moi ? no dont do scutteling ! now whizzing around perhaps as I spend a lot of my life doing just that it seems !
Kilboggan is in the parish of Nurney and therefore the records you seek are likely from the Church in Nurney, I am assuming your ancestors were ROI at this point ?, the relevant records are held in Monasterevin and if you write to them with the details you want they will do a search for you, the address is The Parish Office, Drogheda St, Monasterevin, Co Kildare the Church in Nurney is called The Church of the Sacred Heart Nurney Co. Kildare phone 045-526737 I have left a message on their answer machine for someone to get back to me as it may be possible for you to view the records there as well, I will let you know when I hear back from them, hope this helps, regards Damsel
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Hi Celtic Damsel, Your a star! I think life likes having a laugh at our expense sometimes. Three year's ago I was lucky enough to to visit Ireland for the first time, with my cousin & one of my daughter's. We where armed with map's and various pages from the net for direction but still manage to get lost every day we where there. If I had a penny or a euro for every time we went past Nurney I think we would be rich! I loved Athy, we were based there. We were looking for Kilcoo, Kilcrow, & Bushypark, along with a few more places. Never managed to get around to finding them as we ran out of time. When you go off on a family history crusade you forget how time consuming it can be. I will write of to The Parish Office, I hope they will get back to you. In the meanwhile keep whizzing. Many thanks. Best regards. Beavis
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Hi Beavis just wondering if you got any joy from your letter to the parish office, I do hope you did, Damsel
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Hi Celtic Damsel, I have not got around to writing. But hope to finally get around to it soon. I have been away from the computer for a good while, due to repair's to the house. But I am now into the swing of thing's. I will let you know how I get on. Thank you for all your help. Beavis
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Hi Celtic Damsel, I had an email from the parish office at Monasterevin...... sadly no Callaghan's.They told me to try St Brigid's R. C. Church, Curragh. So that will be my next port of call. If you know anything about St Brigid's church, I would be very grateful. Take care with your to and throwing. Best wishes. Beavis
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Beavis,
The birth of William Callaghan in 1861 is listed at the catholic church of Suncroft in the Kildare Genealogy index. For an on line payment of 5 euro you can get an instant full transcript from the church entry.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Hi,
Looking for information on the following Gleesons:
Ellen Gleeson born 1180
Mary Gleeson born 1881 m Charles Taylor
Eliza born 1882
Catherine born 1883
James born 1884 m Catherine Neary
Anne born 1886
John born 1887
Bridget born 1889 m Thomas Aldridge
Michael born 1892
Roseanna born 1894 m William Aldridge
Patrick born 1895
Edward born 1898
Julianne born 1903
All born in Kildare baptised in St Michael's Church Athy
Patrick lived in Duke St Athy
Kidja
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I am trying to trace the marriage of my great grandmother's parents. Michael Curran and Julia Curran. Julia's maiden name was Knowd. They had a daughter and possibly other children but Anne/Annie was born on 22 September 1865 in Doneany. I am trying to trace their marriage and if possible anything else about them. Can you help please? I think they may have married between the years of 1855 and 1863.
Regards
Kathryn Bryant
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Hi Celtic If you happan to come across a James McNally Born in 1847.
Died age 46yrs T.B. He was Married to a Mary White.
Thankyou Lep.
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Dearest Celtic Damsel,
I need some help in Stradbally and Luggacurren, to locate relatives of my ancestors who stayed home when my forebearer struck-out to make a new life in North America. What I have done on my own so far: I have traced the family lineage back to John and Mary (Mahoney) Kilbride born 1778 and 1788 in Stadbally. They left for Prince Edward Island in 1823 with five children. My wifer and I made a quick run through Stradbally and Luggacurren on our trip to Ireland in May 2005. I talked with Joseph Kilbride the architech on the phone and he gave me his E-mail address, but I have been unable to connect with him that way, and I also have been been unable to E-mail Father Dunne the parish priest in Luggacurren. I don't know if my server doesn't allow US-Ireland connections or what.
Anyway I was in the Clopook Cemetery and found the gravestone for Thomas and Maria(Ryan) Kilbride, who I have gathered were the parents for MP Denis Kilbride 1848-1924. I could not determine the dates off the stone for Thomas and Maria's dates and due to the rain in May We were unable to do a rubbing to get more from the surface.
The help I need are: 1. dates for Thomas and Maria and any source for further information on their family lines.
2. a mailing address for Father Dunne of the Catholic church in Luggacurren
3. a mailing address for Joseph Kilbride the architech (perhaps in Stradbally or Portlaois)
4. any family information for direct relatives of John Kilbride and Mary Mahoney
in reading several of the posts in your site I see several Callaghans. I also find several of them in marriages to my ancestors in PEI in the 1800's. I guess they both set off for greener pastures in the new world. Perhaps they sailed together on the same ship, or one inspired the other to make the same journey later, or they lived close by and formed a small community. It would be interesting to discover the whole story.
Thank you so much for any help.
Tom Kilbride
Murphys, CA, USA
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Hello: can you locate an old (19th century) cemetery in the Dollardstown-Nicholastown area about 2 miles southeast of Athy? Somewhere along the road between Athy and Kilkea/Casteldermont. A Catholic chapel was located near the cemetery in the mid 1800's. We are interested if a Mary Ann Grace is buried there. She was born 1844 and would have been under 18 years of age when she died. The rest of her family (parents and 6 brothers) emigrated to the US in 1860-1862. Thansk you for any help you can provide. I am writing a history of our Grace ancestors.
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Hello, I was wondering if you could help ???
I dont know too much about my grandfarthers family in Athy -and im dying to know more.
I have a few names and rough dates but ive been unable to find anything on the web.
Im going to be in ireland in june for a wedding and athy is only about 20 mins away so i was going to pop in to one of the churches there but i wasnt sure what type of records i could get from the church etc.
should i look further on the web before i go and do they have a lot of records at the churches around there ??
kind regards,
Emma.
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HI there, the churches here in the town hold their records but they will not search for you there and then, if you send a request before you come and let them know when you will be here you could collect any results.
The church of St Michaels is the Catholic church but there is a Church of Ireland church as well. Alternatively the library in Newbridge holds all of the records for a more instant and do it yourself result and they are extremely helpful.
The graveyard records are also held here in the town at the town council offices and you can call in there and look through them yourself if you have any idea of timeline it makes it easier obviusly.
Hope this helps if you need addresses or anything give me a shout, regards Damsel
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Hallo there Dantracer, there is a church in Kilkea proper which is the only place along that road as far as I am aware that has a graveyard, perhaps this is the one you seek, its a very pretty little village I dont know the name of the church but I will take a drive over there today if you can let me know you have not ruled it out as the one you are looking for , regards Bernadette
Hello: can you locate an old (19th century) cemetery in the Dollardstown-Nicholastown area about 2 miles southeast of Athy? Somewhere along the road between Athy and Kilkea/Casteldermont. A Catholic chapel was located near the cemetery in the mid 1800's. We are interested if a Mary Ann Grace is buried there. She was born 1844 and would have been under 18 years of age when she died. The rest of her family (parents and 6 brothers) emigrated to the US in 1860-1862. Thansk you for any help you can provide. I am writing a history of our Grace ancestors.
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Hi, if you write to the registrar at St Micheals Church she will have a look through the record for your baptisms, it would be a very easy process as you have the dates of birth, alternatly if you can make it to the library in Newbridge you could do a search yourself hope this helps if you think any of them are buried in St Michaels I could have a look for graves for you, regards Damsel
Hi,
Looking for information on the following Gleesons:
Ellen Gleeson born 1180
Mary Gleeson born 1881 m Charles Taylor
Eliza born 1882
Catherine born 1883
James born 1884 m Catherine Neary
Anne born 1886
John born 1887
Bridget born 1889 m Thomas Aldridge
Michael born 1892
Roseanna born 1894 m William Aldridge
Patrick born 1895
Edward born 1898
Julianne born 1903
All born in Kildare baptised in St Michael's Church Athy
Patrick lived in Duke St Athy
Kidja
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Hi Katryn, Doneany is close to Kildangan Village and I think possibly this is where they married as there is a RC Church there and also a graveyard, I dont know the name but I am possibly out today to look for info for another rootschatter and will have a look for you and give you the addy if you can le me know that you havnt ruled this church out already as soon as possible.
If you havent Im sure they will do a search for you if you write to them and again alternatly Newbridge Library if you can make it there hold all records
thought you might find this link below interesting also regards Damsel
http://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2007/10/graveyard_transcriptions_donea.asp,
I am trying to trace the marriage of my great grandmother's parents. Michael Curran and Julia Curran. Julia's maiden name was Knowd. They had a daughter and possibly other children but Anne/Annie was born on 22 September 1865 in Doneany. I am trying to trace their marriage and if possible anything else about them. Can you help please? I think they may have married between the years of 1855 and 1863.
Regards
Kathryn Bryant
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Hi Leprecaun do you happen to know where he was born ? his wife was born ? as McNally is a very common name here, regards Damsel
Hi Celtic If you happan to come across a James McNally Born in 1847.
Died age 46yrs T.B. He was Married to a Mary White.
Thankyou Lep.
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Hi Tomk here is a link with contact details for Father Dunne:
http://old.kandle.ie/content/view/628/
and for Joseph Kilbride
Kilbride, Joe & Olive
Tullamoy Stradbally
(059)8627183
His company is JK Design but cannot find a website for them so perhaps if you cant ring him again you could write to him at this address hope this helps, regards Damsel
Dearest Celtic Damsel,
I need some help in Stradbally and Luggacurren, to locate relatives of my ancestors who stayed home when my forebearer struck-out to make a new life in North America. What I have done on my own so far: I have traced the family lineage back to John and Mary (Mahoney) Kilbride born 1778 and 1788 in Stadbally. They left for Prince Edward Island in 1823 with five children. My wifer and I made a quick run through Stradbally and Luggacurren on our trip to Ireland in May 2005. I talked with Joseph Kilbride the architech on the phone and he gave me his E-mail address, but I have been unable to connect with him that way, and I also have been been unable to E-mail Father Dunne the parish priest in Luggacurren. I don't know if my server doesn't allow US-Ireland connections or what.
Anyway I was in the Clopook Cemetery and found the gravestone for Thomas and Maria(Ryan) Kilbride, who I have gathered were the parents for MP Denis Kilbride 1848-1924. I could not determine the dates off the stone for Thomas and Maria's dates and due to the rain in May We were unable to do a rubbing to get more from the surface.
The help I need are: 1. dates for Thomas and Maria and any source for further information on their family lines.
2. a mailing address for Father Dunne of the Catholic church in Luggacurren
3. a mailing address for Joseph Kilbride the architech (perhaps in Stradbally or Portlaois)
4. any family information for direct relatives of John Kilbride and Mary Mahoney
in reading several of the posts in your site I see several Callaghans. I also find several of them in marriages to my ancestors in PEI in the 1800's. I guess they both set off for greener pastures in the new world. Perhaps they sailed together on the same ship, or one inspired the other to make the same journey later, or they lived close by and formed a small community. It would be interesting to discover the whole story.
Thank you so much for any help.
Tom Kilbride
Murphys, CA, USA
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Thanks Bernadette. Yes, please check out that cemetery near Kilkea. I don't know why I didn't think of that. Mary Ann Grace's mother, originally a Casey, was from the Lillkea area!!. Dantracer PS: We live in the US, and we hope to get to Ireland for our third visit, but that has to wait until 2010. I very much apppreciate your help in the meantime.
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@ Dantracer & Celtic Damsel
Hi All, I've only just stumbled across this thread. There is an old cemetery in Nicholastown, just off the main road on the way to Kilkea from Athy. It is located on the right-hand side of the road, just past the bad right-hand bend at Nicholastown. Just before Coyle's farm you will see a laneway to it. It is still used occasionally, I attended a funeral ther a few years ago.
Hope this helps
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It may well help didnt know about that one thanks Blackbird I shall investigate it , Damsel
@ Dantracer & Celtic Damsel
Hi All, I've only just stumbled across this thread. There is an old cemetery in Nicholastown, just off the main road on the way to Kilkea from Athy. It is located on the right-hand side of the road, just past the bad right-hand bend at Nicholastown. Just before Coyle's farm you will see a laneway to it. It is still used occasionally, I attended a funeral ther a few years ago.
Hope this helps
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Hi,
thanks for the info, if you do have any numbers, addresses etc that would be great.
Thanks for your help, much appreciated ;D
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St Michaels Catholic Church, Stanhope St. Athy Co Kildare 0598638391
St Michaels Church Of Ireland Rev Cliff Jeffers, Church Rd, Athy 059-8631446
The Town Council offices here in the town hold the graveyard records and you can just call in on spec while you are here and search them but as I said I would write ahead to the others and ask can you call for the information while you are here good luck let me know if I can help in any other way , regards Damsel
Hi,
thanks for the info, if you do have any numbers, addresses etc that would be great.
Thanks for your help, much appreciated ;D
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Hi,
Thanks once again. Ive spoke to someone at St Michaels and have sent her through the info.
Cant wait now !
Thanks again
Regards,
Emma
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best of luck let me know how you get on and if theres anything else I can do, regards Bernadette
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Hi me again, now no luck I'm afraid on your farm, I have been all around the area of Kilcoo and Kilcrow talking to the older people there and no one can remember the name Bush or Bushy park farm or any Callaghans in their living memory, thats not to say of course that they were not there just no one remembers back that far.
However, anyother small glimmer of hope, I have been told of a 98 year old man named Patrick Barry in the Ballyadams area (right next door to Kilcrow) and apparently he is as sharp as a tack and full of the local history as he has been in the area all of his years so over the weekend I intend to track him down and see if he remembers anything for you. I called up to the graveyard at Churchtown which was the local one for the Kilcrow area most of the older gravestones are unreadable, but of the ones I could read, no Callaghans were jumping out at me , there is also however, a very old school there which only closed to make way for a new one in 2008, it was establised in 1856 and the records for it will be at the National Archives in Dublin, maybe a worthwhile search while you are here for your Callaghans as this would have been the closest school for them.
I have photos of the school and cemetry if you would like them just in case you can connect it so if you PM me a personal email I will send them to you, in the meantime fingers crossed this Mr Barry will remember something, and otherwise if theres anything else I can do for you let me know, regards Bernadette
Hi Celtic Damsel, I had an email from the parish office at Monasterevin...... sadly no Callaghan's.They told me to try St Brigid's R. C. Church, Curragh. So that will be my next port of call. If you know anything about St Brigid's church, I would be very grateful. Take care with your to and throwing. Best wishes. Beavis
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Hi Dantracer have you checked the burial records for St Michaels Cemetry in Athy for your rellie ? the cemetry at Nicholastown only goes back to around 1930's according to the key holder and the church in Kilkea is protestant ? Damsel
Hello: can you locate an old (19th century) cemetery in the Dollardstown-Nicholastown area about 2 miles southeast of Athy? Somewhere along the road between Athy and Kilkea/Casteldermont. A Catholic chapel was located near the cemetery in the mid 1800's. We are interested if a Mary Ann Grace is buried there. She was born 1844 and would have been under 18 years of age when she died. The rest of her family (parents and 6 brothers) emigrated to the US in 1860-1862. Thansk you for any help you can provide. I am writing a history of our Grace ancestors.
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Hi Again Dantracer, I have been to Nicholastown Cemetry (thanks Blackbird for that) as well as speaking to the key holder and it does certainly look as though burials only started there in the 30's or thereabouts. I am told by the Vicars wife at Kilkea that it is possible Catholic burials took place in Castledermot from there at the time and also St Micheals old cemetry here in Athy if you have not tried that one already, sorry couldnt be of more help to you in my area.
You could try dropping a line or an email to Mario Corrigan, at Newbridge Library, he is very helpful and may be able to tell you about that cemetry , if perhaps it was dug over in the 30's getting rid of all the old graves, and if there was a church in the area of Nicholastown also, I can provide a further service in other areas including research at newbridge in Dublin etc but I would have to charge expenses at that point, and as you know there is still no guarantee's I would find exactly what you want so if I can be of any more help locally contact me again, for now, regards Damsel
Hello: can you locate an old (19th century) cemetery in the Dollardstown-Nicholastown area about 2 miles southeast of Athy? Somewhere along the road between Athy and Kilkea/Casteldermont. A Catholic chapel was located near the cemetery in the mid 1800's. We are interested if a Mary Ann Grace is buried there. She was born 1844 and would have been under 18 years of age when she died. The rest of her family (parents and 6 brothers) emigrated to the US in 1860-1862. Thansk you for any help you can provide. I am writing a history of our Grace ancestors.
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HI beavis, I spoke to Patrick Barry this evening I finally managed to track his house down up a boreen !! (I'm still getting used to life in the country after almost four years me high heels are ruined giggles) anyhows not good news I'm afraid he's 96 and says he never heard of Bush/Bushy Pk Farm and does not even remember any Callaghans in the area, so it's likely they were gone before he was born. I have been told theres a Bush Field Farm in the area but it is not close to Nurney or Kilcrow so unlikely to be the correct one so I have come to a dead end I'm afraid, next time your here you could check land records at the National Archives in Bishop St in Dublin, the genealogist on duty would point you in the right direction and hopefully you will get an idea of where it was, I will show you the Kilcrow area when ou are here if you would like and if theres anything else I can help with in the area let me know, for now regards Damsel
Hi Beavis, Scuttling? moi ? no dont do scutteling ! now whizzing around perhaps as I spend a lot of my life doing just that it seems !
Kilboggan is in the parish of Nurney and therefore the records you seek are likely from the Church in Nurney, I am assuming your ancestors were ROI at this point ?, the relevant records are held in Monasterevin and if you write to them with the details you want they will do a search for you, the address is The Parish Office, Drogheda St, Monasterevin, Co Kildare the Church in Nurney is called The Church of the Sacred Heart Nurney Co. Kildare phone 045-526737 I have left a message on their answer machine for someone to get back to me as it may be possible for you to view the records there as well, I will let you know when I hear back from them, hope this helps, regards Damsel
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There is a Bushfield in the townland of Calverstown Little, civil parish of Davidstown and Catholic parish of Crookstown which is adjacent to Suncroft.
J.T.A.
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Thanks for that, that makes 2 Bush Fields then JTA but Suncroft is a long way off Kilcrow where Beavis says the certs say the farm was so still a mystery for now, regards Damsel
There is a Bushfield in the townland of Calverstown Little, civil parish of Davidstown and Catholic parish of Crookstown which is adjacent to Suncroft.
J.T.A.
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Hi Damsel,
I have posted some requests on the Kildre site for the Suncroft/Ballyshannon area looking for the names Talbot, Savage, and Collins. I wonder if you had a look at them and if you could help with any info?
RoryT
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Hi Rory I have helped you before read below I never heard back as far as I remember but I did give you some other places to search here ???? regards Damsel
Hi RorY T , well your trip took me to what must be one of the prettiest spots in Kildare ! I was told the Church at a little village called Narragmore was the place to find out about burials for your ancestors based on where they lived, I had emailed the Reverend but hadn't received a reply so I rang the number on the Church Gates (which were closed when I arrived) and spoke to him, he said he was on holiday and would check the records for me but suggested I opened the gates and drive up as the cemetery is around the church. I had to climb over a wall in my skirt so I hope no one was looking apart from the Cows as I must have been quite a sight !! :o
It is a spectacular view from the Church as it is at the top of a very long driveway and up a hill, the view is down the valley and over to the Wicklow mountains in the distance quite breathtaking !!
I checked all of the readable Gravestones for your Talbots ( bearing in mind any other spelling thereof also ) but they are not mentioned there on any of the stones.
However as always there are also a lot of totally unreadable stones so now we wait to see what the Reverend Delamere comes up with !! If there's anything I will let you know and go back and get a photo of the actual grave if you want, in the meantime I have some shots of the Church, Cemetery and environs if you would like to get a feel for where they lived send me a mail addy on a personal message and I will forward them to you in the meantime keep the fingers crossed , I also think you could contact the COI Library atlibrary@ireland.anglican.org as you have the address and years of Death so they will be able to tell you exactly where they are buried, if not at this cemetery, let me know if you get anything that way...Regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel,
Yes I remember you relpying previously. I did chase up the church records and got a little info, but I managed to source back through other means. I never got a reply from the Rev (still on hols!!!!).
I am now trying to establish where the sons and daughters of my ancestors (my gggrandads brothers and sisters) went. I found my gggrandads grave outside Old Kilcullen a couple of weeks ago and thus my posting to you. I appreciate that you helped me previously and that you have many replies on this posting, I just thought you might come across something that might be relevant to me in your travles.
Thanks again.
Rory
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ah ok sure no probs if I do I will let you no in the meantime if theres any specific I can do let me know, regards Damsel
Hi Damsel,
Yes I remember you relpying previously. I did chase up the church records and got a little info, but I managed to source back through other means. I never got a reply from the Rev (still on hols!!!!).
I am now trying to establish where the sons and daughters of my ancestors (my gggrandads brothers and sisters) went. I found my gggrandads grave outside Old Kilcullen a couple of weeks ago and thus my posting to you. I appreciate that you helped me previously and that you have many replies on this posting, I just thought you might come across something that might be relevant to me in your travles.
Thanks again.
Rory
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I found a Robert Escham Turbett (Turbett was the name given to my GGGrandad Adam in Griffiths) 0n thhe IGI Pilot site married in Athy in 1858. Adam (1799 - 1881) had a son called Robert (b. 1824) and hemoved to Athy with him in 1851, I think this might be the same Robert. The fact that his marraige was registered in 1854 shows that he was not RC ,which supports my premise that he is mine" as they were all presbyterians. I have some notes which refer to Robert having a daughter - Margaret (I never noted the source it was a good while ago) - but I can't find any reference to her in the Birth Registration, I was hoping you might have some leads on her.
Many thanks
Rory
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hi could you tell me where in Kilkenny Mothell is ..all i know of my ancestors is my gggrandad was christened in the church of Ireland Mothell in 1835 ..i do not even know the name of the church so am stuck as to were to look next ..i know his father was a military man Named Joseph price but that is all i know ..if i can find the area of Kilkenny this gives me a chance to try to go back further ..thank you Keith
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Hi Keith, the library in Dublin below have the registers for the Mothell Church Baptisms 1810-1848 Marraiges 1811-1950 and Burials 1817-1842 you can mail them they are very helpful and give them what you are looking for roughly and they will do a search for you for a small fee ....
http://www.ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=about&id=42
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/KIK/Mothell/
also if you google Mothell you will get lots and lots of links for local family history also, hope this helps your searc if I can help in any other way let me know regards Bernadette
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thank you so much for the info ..i only realised after i had sent it you are in Kildare and not Kilkenny ..i will contact that adress thanks so much best regards Keith
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Hello Damsel,
I am new to this board (only joined yesterday) and new to genealogy in general. I read all your postings in this thread and found them very useful. I live in Dublin and I have ancestors from Athy. I plan to visit the Town Council offices next week to view the graveyard records. I will also stop at Newbridge Library to view their copies of church records. Do you think these offices would be open as usual this month or perhaps they might close for summer holidays.
I tried to to view Athy church records in the National Library of Ireland, Dublin but the quality of the microfilm copies is very poor. Hopefully, the copy in Newbridge will be better.
Finally, my interest is in the family Dwen. HarryC posted several times in this thread about the name. I have some information that might be useful to him; should I post to this thread, open a new one or PM him? ??? Any suggestions would be much appreciated by this newbie! ;D
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Hi there and welcome to Rootschat, you will find lots of helpful posts and lots of helpful and friendly people on here so good luck with your search. You should PM Harry C directly I'm sure he will be delighted with any help on the Dwens ( and all combinations!) dont know if you will find the copies any better at the Newbridge Library hopefully so, but bear in mind if you have some concrete dates or at least a ballpark figure you could call into the church while you are here and give her the information and she will do a search for you.
I would link up with Harry first as he may have already done this and it will save you time and money, none of the offices you will need to call to close for holidays so you dont need to worry on that account and the if I can be of any other help let me know, I have the caretakers phone number for the graveyard I can PM you and he is very good at meeting up with people and showing them where the plot numbers they have found are so keep in touch, regards Damsel
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Hi Chris,
just looking through my posts and wondered I never heard back from you as to whether you received those photos and the information I sent on your graves ? hope it was all of some help to you ? Damsel
Damsel
My Mother in Law has added she thinks the brothers name was Harry. He was definitately training to be apriest.
As for Dolly, I think she had to work for her food, possilbly pulling a cart or trap.
i am away for the next week so if you post I will reply when I return.
Many thanks
Chris
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Hello :)
Welcome to Rootschat Earth. Traveller, I hope you enjoy using the site.
I have put the name Dwen on the Surname Interest Table. The information I have has been colated by a cousin of my late mother-in-law for a reunion of descendants of their ancestor Samuel William Dwen who left Athy for New Zealand in 1863.
Happy to share with you or Harry if there is some connection. I don't have anything relating to Athy though, in-laws did make a very brief visit some years back in the hope of finding added history and a few headstones but it wasn't fruitful.
Cheers for the thread Damsel
:) mare
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Hello Damsel,
In an earlier message in this thread you mentioned that the library in Newbridge holds copies of Kildare parish registers. I am interested to view the RC registers for Athy.
Yesterday I was in the National Library in Dublin and I took a look at the microfilmed copies of the registers for St. Michaels Church, Athy. The quality of the copies is generally very poor. In some cases whole pages are completely illegible and many other entries are difficult to read; some entries are blurred due to camera shake. From what I know, the National Library microfilmed copies where done 30 or 40 years ago.
Do you know if the microfilms kept in Newbridge are copies of the National Library microfilms or are they of better quality?
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Hi Damsel,
A few days ago I called the Athy Heritage Centre. The woman I spoke with said that there is a "genealogy office" in Saint Michael RC church. Is this a new development or does the old regime, which you mentioned in earlier posts, still persist?
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Hi Im afraid I dont know what sort of quality the films are at the newbridge library as I have never looked at them, if you ring them and ask for their family history section and Mario Corrigan he may be able to tell you whether or not they are they same films.
I dont know why they are calling it a genaology office but I guess it means she will search in her usual office (there is only one) for a famly if you have some specifics, it's still one lady there as far as I am aware, sorry not to be able to be of further help, regards Bernadette
Hello Damsel,
In an earlier message in this thread you mentioned that the library in Newbridge holds copies of Kildare parish registers. I am interested to view the RC registers for Athy.
Yesterday I was in the National Library in Dublin and I took a look at the microfilmed copies of the registers for St. Michaels Church, Athy. The quality of the copies is generally very poor. In some cases whole pages are completely illegible and many other entries are difficult to read; some entries are blurred due to camera shake. From what I know, the National Library microfilmed copies where done 30 or 40 years ago.
Do you know if the microfilms kept in Newbridge are copies of the National Library microfilms or are they of better quality?
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Hi
I am looking for Esther Brennan. Her married name is FANNING.
But Esther Brennan was born in 1909 in Kilkenny. She was living in Athy when she was in her early 20's as she had a baby girl out of wedlock when she was 24 in St Vincents Hospital in Athy. This was in 1933. Is there any way you could help me?
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Hi There, if you know the area she was born in in Kilkenny I could point you to the right church to get her baptism record, ( you dont say whether or not you have this ) and if she had the baby in Athy and you know the babies name you could write to the church here in Athy and request a copy of it ? hope this helps ? Damsel
Hi
I am looking for Esther Brennan. Her married name is FANNING.
But Esther Brennan was born in 1909 in Kilkenny. She was living in Athy when she was in her early 20's as she had a baby girl out of wedlock when she was 24 in St Vincents Hospital in Athy. This was in 1933. Is there any way you could help me?
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LC_1986, did you check the familysearch look-up site? It shows one possible match: Esther Brennan, born second quarter of 1909, registered at Thomastown, County Kilkenny.
Do you know the babies first name?
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Her First name is Lena. Whats the website?
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the familysearch Irish Civil Index is at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
Shane
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Hi
I went onto that website and found her. But the info is not helpful. I would really need to find where she died? Or where patrick fanning is now, hes her son
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that familysearch website is just the index - you can use the index details (name, record type, year quarter, registration district, volume number & page ) to order a research cert from the GRO - www.groireland.ie
Shane
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Hi Damsel
I received all your pics, many thanks for those. I am still no further on in my research for the Crawley family though.
I admit I do not spend an enormous ammount of time on it as you can tell by the timelapse for this answer.
Chris
Hi Chris,
just looking through my posts and wondered I never heard back from you as to whether you received those photos and the information I sent on your graves ? hope it was all of some help to you ? Damsel
Damsel
My Mother in Law has added she thinks the brothers name was Harry. He was definitately training to be apriest.
As for Dolly, I think she had to work for her food, possilbly pulling a cart or trap.
i am away for the next week so if you post I will reply when I return.
Many thanks
Chris
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Yes I most certainly do! We recently stayed in Athy.
I just returned from a trip over to England and Ireland ( from New Zealand) chasing details of my grandmother's birth family. My grandmother was adopted and knew she was but her adoptive mother wouldn't tell her any details.
Well I finally found her birth family in January this year ( she was 2 months old and named with her birth name in the 1911 census living with the family that adopted her!!) and they are a family from Co Kildare in and around Ballitore, Narraghmore, Moone, Timolin and Fontstown. Now i had heard of none of these places before this trip. We achieved a lot on the trip but our time was very limited and I was unable to chase down the Parish Records for Fontstown, Church of Ireland, baptisms.
Any ideas?
Thanks
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hi Damsel
i am trying to trace the Wall Family Patrick and Ester wall were married in 1938 and had three children.
any help much appriciated
whitty
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Sorry for the delay in getting back to you and Yes indeed you can contact the central records for Church of Ireland through their website, if you email them they will be able to tell you if they have the records for the parish you are looking at and also the cost of a search with them if you cannot get there yourself, and I believe that they do not have excessive charges . here is the link
http://www.ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=about&id=42 good luck with your search regards Damsel
Yes I most certainly do! We recently stayed in Athy.
I just returned from a trip over to England and Ireland ( from New Zealand) chasing details of my grandmother's birth family. My grandmother was adopted and knew she was but her adoptive mother wouldn't tell her any details.
Well I finally found her birth family in January this year ( she was 2 months old and named with her birth name in the 1911 census living with the family that adopted her!!) and they are a family from Co Kildare in and around Ballitore, Narraghmore, Moone, Timolin and Fontstown. Now i had heard of none of these places before this trip. We achieved a lot on the trip but our time was very limited and I was unable to chase down the Parish Records for Fontstown, Church of Ireland, baptisms.
Any ideas?
Thanks
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Hi there sorry for the delay in replying please send me a private message with the details as moderators have (rightly of course) removed them from view, regards Damsel
hi Damsel
i am trying to trace the Wall Family Patrick and Ester wall were married in 1938 and had three children.
any help much appriciated
whitty
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Hi there,
I'm in australia and i've been desperately trying to find information on my Conway family from Kildare for years. All I know is Anthony Conway who was born in about 1836. I have no other information other than that. Do you know of any conway families in the kildare region at all? Any help GREATLY APPRECIATED!
Thanks,
Kerry.
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HI there , thats not a lot to go on I'm afraid Kildare is a very big county with a village round every corner and a church and a graveyard in nevery village !! Conway is also a very common name here so with out a town or village name it would be very difficult, there are passenger lists and transportation lists availbale online if you have a rough idea of when your first ancestor arrived in OZ I could point you towards those if you could find that out ?
sorry not to be of much help to you but let me know if you get anything else, regards Bernadette
Hi there,
I'm in australia and i've been desperately trying to find information on my Conway family from Kildare for years. All I know is Anthony Conway who was born in about 1836. I have no other information other than that. Do you know of any conway families in the kildare region at all? Any help GREATLY APPRECIATED!
Thanks,
Kerry.
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Hi Bernadette,
That much i do know. they travelled to australia aboard the herald of the morning in 1859. Anthony married Bridget Healy from wicklow but i can't find their wedding. Their first child was born onboard the ship. The ship records i saw on microfiche years ago. They listed themselves as catholic but didn't list towns. I was able to find an anthony conway (born in kildare 1833) online last night but would have to pay 5 euro to get any further detail and thats a lot if its the wrong one.
I'm going to visit ireland next june but won't have much time so i'd like to find out as much as i an beforehand.
Thanks
Kerry.
there are passenger lists and transportation lists availbale online if you have a rough idea of when your first ancestor arrived in OZ I could point you towards those if you could find that out ?
sorry not to be of much help to you but let me know if you get anything else, regards Bernadette
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Hi Kerry leave it woth me for a couple of days and I will have a think on it and ask a few freinds if they have any ideas and I will let you know if theres any way I can help, but on the face of it it would seem impossible without finding a town, have you tried census there for after they arrived to see if he mentioned a town at any stage I know thats a long shot and I dont know when your census started either, regards Bernadette
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Hi Bernadette,
While you were sleeping last night I ended up purchasing the info for 5 euros and am happy to announce that I believe it's the right one. I"ll add it to this post so you can take a look. So, with the given information, I'm guessing his father Michael and mother Margaret stayed in Ireland. I'd love to locate their graves if possible.
Thanks heaps for your help,
Kerry.
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In the Primary Valuation of 1852 Margaret Conway (possibly Michael's widow) had a house on 11 acres of land at Nicholastown in the parish of Kilcullen. Michael might be recorded in the Tithe Applotment Books.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
Hi Bernadette,
While you were sleeping last night I ended up purchasing the info for 5 euros and am happy to announce that I believe it's the right one. I"ll add it to this post so you can take a look. So, with the given information, I'm guessing his father Michael and mother Margaret stayed in Ireland. I'd love to locate their graves if possible.
Thanks heaps for your help,
Kerry.
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Thank you for sharing that!
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Hi again Sherbetgal, and thanks to JT for that suggestion but I am gathering from your first message to me that you cant afford to pay too much out online for information and of course being in oz cannot get to our national archives at this time to view the books for free, so here is my humble suggestion to you.
You now have a record you feel may be the right one and he is in Kilcullen which is closer to Dublin than Athy so I will give you the details for the church there and if you write a letter to the pursor asking for a search you may be lucky enough to get some information from them on your Conways, I would imagine if there is a fee it will be nominal so good luck with your search, if you do find out about rellies buried there let me know and I will pop into the cemetry next time on my way to Dublin and try to get some photos for you, I hope this helps and you get some more information, good luck with your search and regards Bernadette
church link : http://www.kildare.ie/kilcullen/parishchurch.htm cut and paste to your browser
Parish Office
Sacred Heart & St Brigid,
Kilcullen.
Co Kildare
Tel Parish office: 045 -480727
Hi Bernadette,
While you were sleeping last night I ended up purchasing the info for 5 euros and am happy to announce that I believe it's the right one. I"ll add it to this post so you can take a look. So, with the given information, I'm guessing his father Michael and mother Margaret stayed in Ireland. I'd love to locate their graves if possible.
Thanks heaps for your help,
Kerry.
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Thank you Bernadette you've been a great help....much appreciated!!!
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I meant you?
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HI I only know one O'Connor family in Athy and I will ask them if those names and ages mean anything to them, if I get anything I will let you know, but I would need to know what the connection was before giving any information as they are still alive most likely and I'm sure the famly would want to know, you can send me a private message with details would be best, but I see that this was your first posting you will need to make two more postings before being allowed to PM me and I cant give you my email on here sorry it's not allowed , regards Damsel
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Hello :)
Welcome to Rootschat Earth. Traveller, I hope you enjoy using the site.
I have put the name Dwen on the Surname Interest Table. The information I have has been colated by a cousin of my late mother-in-law for a reunion of descendants of their ancestor Samuel William Dwen who left Athy for New Zealand in 1863.
Happy to share with you or Harry if there is some connection. I don't have anything relating to Athy though, in-laws did make a very brief visit some years back in the hope of finding added history and a few headstones but it wasn't fruitful.
Cheers for the thread Damsel
:) mare
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My grandmother Ellen Maria (Nelly) Dwen was born in Rheban Castle in Athay in 1876. Her father (my great grandfather) was Samuel Dwen, whose title was Steward, a Representative of the King. His residence according to my grandmother's birth certificate, was Rheban Castle. Please see http://www.jstor.org/pss/30003532
Much to my surprise, I discovered the Dwen's of Athay were all Catholics. They were landowners. My great-grandmother was Ellen (Polly) Connors. My grandmother was one of 7 children, four of whom were born in New Zealand.
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Hi there and welcome :)
We're definitely on the same tree, my husband's grandmother is the firstborn of Ellen Maria and Charles Alfred Trigg ... and you may be able to sort out the connection from there, I'll send you a PM (personal message) to clarify ;) mare
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My grandmother Ellen Maria (Nelly) Dwen was born in Rheban Castle in Athay in 1876. Her father (my great grandfather) was Samuel Dwen, whose title was Steward, a Representative of the King. His residence according to my grandmother's birth certificate, was Rheban Castle. Please see http://www.jstor.org/pss/30003532
Steward (landsteward) was an occupation and is the derivation of the Scottish surname Stewart. A simple definition is a person who acts for another in the management of land, collection of rents, etc.
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THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY
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Hi Peter take down that post with your email as you will be spammed left right and centre click on my name and then you will see an option for private message in fute for now I have saved your addy regards Damsel
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Hi just wondering does anyone know where people from Kilcoo/Kilcrow would be buried ,I`ve been out to the graveyard in Churchtown before and was wondering is there a local graveyard for these areas or should I just be looking in the main RC graveyards in Athy itself.
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Hi there, Chirchtown would be the nearest but some people from those areas would also be in St Michaels old cemetry in Athy if there were family plots etc, the records for St Micheals can be viewed at the Town Council Offices here in the town but as far as I know they only go back to the beginning of the 20th century, regards Bernadette
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Thanks for the help Bernardette...I`ll see if I can make it down to the council offices so.
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Hi Bernadette,
I would like to say a big thank you to you from the bottom of my heart! As you know I paid out quite a lot of money to so called professional bodies who advertise their services with regards to helping people trace lost relatives in Ireland and unfortunately got no results. Quite by chance and luckily for me, I came across your site and thought I would give it a go; I am very glad that I did. Needless to say your efforts where relentless in tracking down my family members in Ireland. I was born in a Catholic Mother and baby home for unmarried mothers in London in 1960 where my Irish Mother gave birth to me. Unfortunately she (my mother) had to put me up for adoption because of the circumstances of the time. As you know, I had little to go on, only a small file I managed to retrieve from the adoption agency in London which gave me some clues as to my Mothers routes in Co Kildare. Entirely due to your efforts I met my birth Mother for the first time in my life at aged nearly 50, she being 70 and still full of life. I am sure you can imagine that I never thought this would happen; since then I have met with my mother on several occasions and we are the best of friends and bonded as soon as we set eyes on each other which was on her door step in London just three weeks ago! Just meeting my mother would have been fantastic on its own but I have also spoken with my half sister I never knew existed and have also spoken (by telephone) with several Aunts in Ireland who welcomed me with open arms! My adopted Mother and Farther are now dead and up until one month ago I had absolutely no family relatives other than my wife and kids. Now I have a Mother and a huge family in Ireland and I feel complete.
So Bernadette, needless to say, words will never ever express the thanks from my Mother, family and I, you are also part of our family, without you this great achievement would have never happened. We are all still in amazement to the lengths you went too, to find out clues and follow them up, right up until that day when you sent me an email explaining you had spent the afternoon with my family in Ireland, a fantastic ending to a very long search, thank you.
Sincerely, Peter.
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Hi Bernadette, I would like to thank you for giving up a whole day to take me around Athy, Nurney, Suncroft and so many more places connected to my family history. It was a lovely day spent in your company. Your local knowledge of the area and where to find further record's to assist in my searches for my family history was invaluable. Finding my Callaghan's farm at Suncroft was just wonderful and having the pictures taken by you to treasure. It was a super day and one I will not forget. I hope, I shall be able to come over again in the near future and do it all again!! Many thanks for everything. Beavis
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Oh dear Peter I am overwhelmed by all that thank you so much , you are so welcome, your story is one I will treasure forever and I hope when that family reunion hooley happens here in Athy I will be on the guestlist, your family here are wonderful and I wish you, your beautiful wife , daughters, and your new found Mum and Sister all the best for the future, regards Bernadette
Hi Bernadette,
I would like to say a big thank you to you from the bottom of my heart! As you know I paid out quite a lot of money to so called professional bodies who advertise their services with regards to helping people trace lost relatives in Ireland and unfortunately got no results. Quite by chance and luckily for me, I came across your site and thought I would give it a go; I am very glad that I did. Needless to say your efforts where relentless in tracking down my family members in Ireland. I was born in a Catholic Mother and baby home for unmarried mothers in London in 1960 where my Irish Mother gave birth to me. Unfortunately she (my mother) had to put me up for adoption because of the circumstances of the time. As you know, I had little to go on, only a small file I managed to retrieve from the adoption agency in London which gave me some clues as to my Mothers routes in Co Kildare. Entirely due to your efforts I met my birth Mother for the first time in my life at aged nearly 50, she being 70 and still full of life. I am sure you can imagine that I never thought this would happen; since then I have met with my mother on several occasions and we are the best of friends and bonded as soon as we set eyes on each other which was on her door step in London just three weeks ago! Just meeting my mother would have been fantastic on its own but I have also spoken with my half sister I never knew existed and have also spoken (by telephone) with several Aunts in Ireland who welcomed me with open arms! My adopted Mother and Farther are now dead and up until one month ago I had absolutely no family relatives other than my wife and kids. Now I have a Mother and a huge family in Ireland and I feel complete.
So Bernadette, needless to say, words will never ever express the thanks from my Mother, family and I, you are also part of our family, without you this great achievement would have never happened. We are all still in amazement to the lengths you went too, to find out clues and follow them up, right up until that day when you sent me an email explaining you had spent the afternoon with my family in Ireland, a fantastic ending to a very long search, thank you.
Sincerely, Peter.
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Hey Beavis, nice to hear from you and to remember your day with your daughter here in Athy up and down the boreens in the idyllic sunshine, and clambering over old cemetries in the area, it must have been the most beautiful day we had in Ireland last year weather wise not a cloud in the sky ! I was so glad we found your long lost Bushy Park Farm and I am still hopefully of some burial places, and maybe a few more discoveries for you this week, if not sure we will find them when you come over again please God, and do come back soon please , regards Bernadette
Hi Bernadette, I would like to thank you for giving up a whole day to take me around Athy, Nurney, Suncroft and so many more places connected to my family history. It was a lovely day spent in your company. Your local knowledge of the area and where to find further record's to assist in my searches for my family history was invaluable. Finding my Callaghan's farm at Suncroft was just wonderful and having the pictures taken by you to treasure. It was a super day and one I will not forget. I hope, I shall be able to come over again in the near future and do it all again!! Many thanks for everything. Beavis
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Hi Pat have you managed to get to the offices yet? was it the name Flood you were looking for ?, I have been through from 1900 to 1960 today and dont recall a flood on them, regards Damsel[
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Thanks for the help Bernardette...I`ll see if I can make it down to the council offices so.
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I am trying to trace my Grandfathers parents/siblings. My Grandfather John Joseph Doody born Athy,possibly 1877,he joined The Royal Inniskilling Fusilliers in 1894,enlisting in Carlow, so assuming he was 18 when he joined we estimate he was born in 1877,from the limited info given to me by my father {now deceased}we have confirmed his military service in India and South Africa,but were unable to get his service records which were destroyed in 1940 London Blitz.He met and married my grandmother Sarah O'Neill in Omagh Co Tyrone in 1909 settled there and had 6 children,he remained in the Army and died in 1918 when my father was 4 months old, due to war injuries. My father never knew anything about his father or family ie uncles and aunts, when we were growing up and pushed for information we were told dont ask questions!!!!Did his family disown him because he joined the British Army???? we dont know.We did a search for record of birth for 1877 for a John Doody Athy and received a certificate DOB 1st March 1877,parents John Doody/Bridget Doody formerly Doyle,father labourer,informant Lizzie Doyle Castledermot present at birth.So on that information we did a 1901 and 1911 census check for the couple and came up with them living in Belan, Co Kildare, on the 1911 census bridget had 6 children and all 6 were still alive,but we can only account for 5 children on both of the census and our question is, after all that, is our Grandfather the 6th child??? how can we find out if this family are our relatives?? I was hoping there was an 1891 census which would have given us the name of the 6th child.... only to discover those census had been pulped at the governments request.So we are at a dead end,and just want to know who our Great Grand parents are!!.Sorry this is so long but hope you can help us. I live in Australia and i am doing this research with the help of my brother James who lives in Omagh Co Tyrone. In Anticipation, Cathy Gallivan.
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Hi there did you mean to add a message to me on that quote? regards Damsel
Hi there everyone, fairly new to this so forgive any mistakes. I am Living in Athy In Co Kildare so if anyone is searching in the area and I can help with photos of places or gravestones etc ask me and if I can help you I will ...
http://www.athyheritagecentre-museum.ie/
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Hi , I know of only one Doody Family in the area and they are now living in Moone, which is not so far as the crow flies, I have mailed a member of the family to find out if they may be connected to you so if they are I will contact you again soon and if not then will put my thinking cap on to see if I can find another way to help you, regards Damsel
Hi there did you mean to add a message to me on that quote? regards Damsel
Hi there everyone, fairly new to this so forgive any mistakes. I am Living in Athy In Co Kildare so if anyone is searching in the area and I can help with photos of places or gravestones etc ask me and if I can help you I will ...
http://www.athyheritagecentre-museum.ie/
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Thanks so much for quick reply,the names of the 5 children from the census check are,
Matthew DOB 19th July 1879,
Thomas DOB 1881 14th December ,
Lizzie DOB1882 month unknown,
Catherine DOB 1887 3rd April,
and Esther DOB 1890 OR 1891 month unknown.
We are assuming that our grandfather is 1st child born......as John and Bridget married in Castledermot 12/9/1875. Fingers crossed. Cathy.
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Here's a link to 1911 census- it gives ages in years not exact dates so not sure what your source for the birthdates is.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Belan/Belan/536668/
I.G.I. (www.familysearch.org) lists 2 children for John Doody and Bridget Doyle-
1. John born 1 Mar.1877 Athy district, Co. Kildare (certificate you have)
2. Matthew born 19 July 1879 Co. Kildare
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Sorry for misunderstanding :P,the childrens names and ages i obtained from 1901/1911 census.
I used Kildare.brsgenealogy.com and obtained marriage certificate for John & Bridgit 12/9/1875,
also obtained Church Baptism certificates for Matthew,Thomas &Catherine,but no record for Elizabeth,Esther or John
even though i have Johns Birth certificate. Why is there no record of their birth/baptism?
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Hi will you PM me your personal email as i have a few leads for you , regards Damsel
Thanks so much for quick reply,the names of the 5 children from the census check are,
Matthew DOB 19th July 1879,
Thomas DOB 1881 14th December ,
Lizzie DOB1882 month unknown,
Catherine DOB 1887 3rd April,
and Esther DOB 1890 OR 1891 month unknown.
We are assuming that our grandfather is 1st child born......as John and Bridget married in Castledermot 12/9/1875. Fingers crossed. Cathy.
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Hi Bernardette ,
No sorry I haven`t made it down there yet .I was actually researching the Prendergast Family but you may have seen some of my posts re Floods in Monasterevin in another post.Sounds like you`re been kept busy.
Hi Pat have you managed to get to the offices yet? was it the name Flood you were looking for ?, I have been through from 1900 to 1960 today and dont recall a flood on them, regards Damsel[
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Thanks for the help Bernardette...I`ll see if I can make it down to the council offices so.
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Hello Bernadette
Do you know anything about the churchyard at Cloney, a little way north of Athy just off the road to Monasterevin? I know from an archaeological report I found on the planning pages of Kildare County Council that the church that used to be there is now virtually gone and the churchyard is surrounded by a farm, but the graveyard appears to be still in use.
I know from the Griffith's Valuation and that my Kelly family lived at Cloney in the 1850s, but I haven't been able to trace a death certificate for the parents - Dennis Kelly and his wife Bridget Murphy - and I wonder if they might be buried at the little churchyard at Cloney, or if they're more likely to be buried in Athy itself? They had seven children, three baptised at Monasterevin (Judith 1823, Catherine 1828 and Peter 1832), then another four children baptised at Athy (Dennis 1835, Michael 1837, Martin 1840 and Francis 1843).
Any suggestions from your clearly extensive local knowledge appreciated!
Many thanks
Richard.
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Hi
Don't know if you can help me here. I am researching the Irish Brigade that Roger Casement tried to raise among Irish Prisoners of War in Germany during WW1
Among those who signed up was a John Davis from Athy. What I know about him is fairly basic, but have worked out from the 1911 census who I think he is
1. He joined the Leinster Regiment (service no 3296) and was captured in France in early 1915. I have his Medal Index card (http://www.dublin-fusiliers.com/Pows/casement/recruits/davis.html)
2. He was a labourer before enlisting.
3. Notes from other prisoners give that he came from Athy.
4. Dismissed for misconduct 18 Jun 1919. Because he had joined Irish Brigade.
5. There is a 28 year old John Davis living in 1911 Census at 2 William Street Upper, Athy Town, Kildare. (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Athy_Town/William_Street_Upper/536193/) This is a possibility. He is single, born Kildare, a general labourer and son of William and Maria Davis. ie born 1883.
6. John Davis fitting this date of birth dies in Athy in Oct/Dec 1957
Are there likely to be any local records that might confirm the death as an obituary, or any other thoughts that would give me more information on this man?
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HI, the only records here in the town that I could check for you are the burial records for the local cemetry I can do that no problem, it would not give you a lot of additional information maybe an inkcling as to what other family he had here in the town or indeed has still seen as he only died in the 50's.
It's a possibility there are still people here with memories of him and I could check for them and see if I could have a chat to them for you if that's any help? is he related to you?, whats the purpose of the research if you dont mind me asking as if I am going to speak to family they would want to know.
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Thanks for the reply
I am not related. But I am researching the Irish Brigade, an attempt by Roger Casement to raise a brigade from among Irish Prisoners of War in Germany
You will find a full back ground on this link (http://www.dublin-fusiliers.com/Pows/casement/irish-brigade.html). Casement landed by submarine in Kerry 2 days before the Easter Rising. However Casement was arrested and the boatload of arms that came at the same time was seized. He was later hanged.
The Irish prisoners were left in Germany, and I am researching them. There is a full list of the 56 men here with links to individual pages. (http://www.dublin-fusiliers.com/Pows/casement/recruits-irish-brigade.html)
Some are easier to research than others. Depends on how much information I have to go on in the first place. John Davis is particularly sparse in any background, apart from the fact he came from Athy. Anything you can find out, no matter how small, would be useful. With this sort of research one often puts together a number of little facts to make a bigger step forward.
I just find the whole episode fascinating :)
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Hi Again, I think probably the best path for you would be to contact the members of the local Davis family maybe write a note to each that explains your research, they seem to be all still in and around the same area here so I would hazard a guess they are all related as seems to be the way with famlies here in the town, it would be worth a try I'm sure someone would share your interest in this person and you may even find someone in the family has done some family research and found him on the tree, or mebers who remember him as it was only the 50's when he died. I will PM you the details for all the Davis still listed in the area, hope this helps, Damsel
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Thanks very much for the list, I have sent you a PM as well :)
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Hi I am trying to check whether my great grandfather Patrick Flood (born about1845)was buried in old graveyard in Moone I think it may be called Killelan. He died about 1911/1912 , particularly interested to know if his wife was also buried there. I am not sure of her first name. Any help would be appreciated. thanks
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Hi There you dont say if your folks were RC or COI ? The church in Moone is called the Blessed Trinity I have tried to contact them unsuccessfully this morning (their number seems to be disconnected or out of order) to find out if the cemetry records for the period you are looking for are still held there I will keep trying for you I have emailed them also so fingers crossed.
There are some volumes held at the National Library in Dublin also from the two cemetries in Moone, people who transcribed gravestones there before they faded with time if you ever get to Dublin, unfortunatly I am finding more and more in Kildare that registers which are handed on to the local County Council offices for safe keeping seem to dissapear without a trace ! I will keep you posted on progress re me contacting the church, regards Damsel
Killelan Killelan IGRS DCL
Kilteel Kilteel IGRS DCL
Moone Abbey Moone IGRS DCL
Moone Parish Moone IGRS DCL
Hi I am trying to check whether my great grandfather Patrick Flood (born about1845)was buried in old graveyard in Moone I think it may be called Killelan. He died about 1911/1912 , particularly interested to know if his wife was also buried there. I am not sure of her first name. Any help would be appreciated. thanks
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Hi Richard, I have not come across that cemetry as of yet, but I am making enquiries on your behalf here today about it so bear with me a while, there is a church in Kildangan close by and a cemetry, and also it is possible they could be buried in Monasterevin, as the children were baptised there, where have you tried for death records for them ?regards Damsel
Hello Bernadette
Do you know anything about the churchyard at Cloney, a little way north of Athy just off the road to Monasterevin? I know from an archaeological report I found on the planning pages of Kildare County Council that the church that used to be there is now virtually gone and the churchyard is surrounded by a farm, but the graveyard appears to be still in use.
I know from the Griffith's Valuation and that my Kelly family lived at Cloney in the 1850s, but I haven't been able to trace a death certificate for the parents - Dennis Kelly and his wife Bridget Murphy - and I wonder if they might be buried at the little churchyard at Cloney, or if they're more likely to be buried in Athy itself? They had seven children, three baptised at Monasterevin (Judith 1823, Catherine 1828 and Peter 1832), then another four children baptised at Athy (Dennis 1835, Michael 1837, Martin 1840 and Francis 1843).
Any suggestions from your clearly extensive local knowledge appreciated!
Many thanks
Richard.
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Hi
They were RC. I can't get to Dublin as I live in Australia. Thanks for your help.
Hi There you dont say if your folks were RC or COI ? The church in Moone is called the Blessed Trinity I have tried to contact them unsuccessfully this morning (their number seems to be disconnected or out of order) to find out if the cemetry records for the period you are looking for are still held there I will keep trying for you I have emailed them also so fingers crossed.
There are some volumes held at the National Library in Dublin also from the two cemetries in Moone, people who transcribed gravestones there before they faded with time if you ever get to Dublin, unfortunatly I am finding more and more in Kildare that registers which are handed on to the local County Council offices for safe keeping seem to dissapear without a trace ! I will keep you posted on progress re me contacting the church, regards Damsel
Killelan Killelan IGRS DCL
Kilteel Kilteel IGRS DCL
Moone Abbey Moone IGRS DCL
Moone Parish Moone IGRS DCL
Hi I am trying to check whether my great grandfather Patrick Flood (born about1845)was buried in old graveyard in Moone I think it may be called Killelan. He died about 1911/1912 , particularly interested to know if his wife was also buried there. I am not sure of her first name. Any help would be appreciated. thanks
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ooops sorry, would be quite a day out all right giggles, well I will find out about the records for you you may be able to write to them and enquire or I will call up there for you if they have them at the church, regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel
Thank you for getting back to me. I haven't managed to find death records for any of this lot, apart from Dennis junior who moved to England. I've tried and failed to find death certificates for the parents Dennis and Bridget - there was only one plausible looking death for Dennis senior in the index, but it wasn't him, whereas there are lots of Bridget Kellys! It's possible they may have been buried at Kildangan or Monasterevin too, of course - my only reason for trying Cloney first is that it's closest to where they lived. Anything you are able to find out about it would be very gratefully received!
Many thanks
Richard.
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do you by any chance know st michaels old and new cemetery located on the dublin road in athy town?
i have relatives buried there and am having trouble finding more info out about them.
in the old cemetry there is a patrick born 24 jan 1908-died 28 May 1968 and a kathleen doody born 17 nov 1918-died 19 oct 2005 (nee tallon or fallon not sure which)
and in the new cemetry there is an agnes walsh (nee doody) born 4 sep 1909 and michael walsh i think who is patrick doodys sister
patrick was born and died in athy and i am trying to trace his parents or at least his father who i am told could of been from moone county kildare
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I am trying to find out more about my Barrington ancestors in Ireland. My great grandmother was Catherine Barrington born in "Queen's County" in about 1872. Her father was John. The family were Church of Ireland. Her sister was Frances (Fanny) who was born about 1864.
I have found references to the marriage of John Barrington and Margaret Greenham (at St Catherine's Dublin) and the christenings/birth registrations of their children Charity, Frances (1864), Elizabeth, Kate, Henry, and Margaret (1872) in Stradbally/Athy. I have found no mention of Catherine who might have been the twin of Margaret.
Catherine Barrington married David Edge in Rathdrum in 1896. Her father was named as John Barrington. One of the witnesses was Elizabeth Barrington. I have found Frances (1911) and Catherine Barrington (1901 and 1911) in the Irish censuses.
Do you have any information available on the birth of Catherine? (Note that another Catherine Barrington was born to Michael and Bridget Barrington in 1872). Do you know anything more or have any leads on the Barrington and Greenham families of Stradbally? Is there any known connection with the Jonah Barrington family?
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Hi There, I'm afraid I dont have access to any records here in Athy other than the ones for the local Catholic cemetries from 1900 onwards, and it seems your rellies are from Laois so they would not be of any help to you anyway.
You should perhaps determine which certs , from the information you have already, may be of use to further you research and then write to the COI Library in Churchtown in Dublin giving them the details and they will issue you with them for a fee, all of their details are on the link below, best of luck with your search and if you get any details for homesteads or burial places let me know if you want me to take some photos for you , regards Damsel
http://www.ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=about&id=42
I am trying to find out more about my Barrington ancestors in Ireland. My great grandmother was Catherine Barrington born in "Queen's County" in about 1872. Her father was John. The family were Church of Ireland. Her sister was Frances (Fanny) who was born about 1864.
I have found references to the marriage of John Barrington and Margaret Greenham (at St Catherine's Dublin) and the christenings/birth registrations of their children Charity, Frances (1864), Elizabeth, Kate, Henry, and Margaret (1872) in Stradbally/Athy. I have found no mention of Catherine who might have been the twin of Margaret.
Catherine Barrington married David Edge in Rathdrum in 1896. Her father was named as John Barrington. One of the witnesses was Elizabeth Barrington. I have found Frances (1911) and Catherine Barrington (1901 and 1911) in the Irish censuses.
Do you have any information available on the birth of Catherine? (Note that another Catherine Barrington was born to Michael and Bridget Barrington in 1872). Do you know anything more or have any leads on the Barrington and Greenham families of Stradbally? Is there any known connection with the Jonah Barrington family?
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Hi There, I now know exactly where Cloney graveyard is ad yes it is still in use and I am told that the records should be here in Athy Town Parish Ofiice, I will find out for you in the morning if this is the case, PM me if you would, with the names and dates you are looking for, regards Damsel
Hello Bernadette
Do you know anything about the churchyard at Cloney, a little way north of Athy just off the road to Monasterevin? I know from an archaeological report I found on the planning pages of Kildare County Council that the church that used to be there is now virtually gone and the churchyard is surrounded by a farm, but the graveyard appears to be still in use.
I know from the Griffith's Valuation and that my Kelly family lived at Cloney in the 1850s, but I haven't been able to trace a death certificate for the parents - Dennis Kelly and his wife Bridget Murphy - and I wonder if they might be buried at the little churchyard at Cloney, or if they're more likely to be buried in Athy itself? They had seven children, three baptised at Monasterevin (Judith 1823, Catherine 1828 and Peter 1832), then another four children baptised at Athy (Dennis 1835, Michael 1837, Martin 1840 and Francis 1843).
Any suggestions from your clearly extensive local knowledge appreciated!
Many thanks
Richard.
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Thanks Damsel - I'll send you a PM.
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Hi Richard, after a battery of phone calls this morning ending with one to the caretaker there I'm afraid it would seem that the records for Cloney for the 19th century seem to have dissapeared without a trace along with a lot of the other smaller graveyards in the area, he said that he does not recall ever having seen a marker for a Kelly family there but then quite a lot of the markers are now unreadable, I cant check St Michaels here in the town for your burials that far back the only records that seem to exist for it too are from around 1900, sorry it's not better news , regards Damsel
Hello Bernadette
Do you know anything about the churchyard at Cloney, a little way north of Athy just off the road to Monasterevin? I know from an archaeological report I found on the planning pages of Kildare County Council that the church that used to be there is now virtually gone and the churchyard is surrounded by a farm, but the graveyard appears to be still in use.
I know from the Griffith's Valuation and that my Kelly family lived at Cloney in the 1850s, but I haven't been able to trace a death certificate for the parents - Dennis Kelly and his wife Bridget Murphy - and I wonder if they might be buried at the little churchyard at Cloney, or if they're more likely to be buried in Athy itself? They had seven children, three baptised at Monasterevin (Judith 1823, Catherine 1828 and Peter 1832), then another four children baptised at Athy (Dennis 1835, Michael 1837, Martin 1840 and Francis 1843).
Any suggestions from your clearly extensive local knowledge appreciated!
Many thanks
Richard.
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I am trying to find out more about my Barrington ancestors in Ireland. My great grandmother was Catherine Barrington born in "Queen's County" in about 1872. Her father was John. The family were Church of Ireland. Her sister was Frances (Fanny) who was born about 1864.
I have found references to the marriage of John Barrington and Margaret Greenham (at St Catherine's Dublin) and the christenings/birth registrations of their children Charity, Frances (1864), Elizabeth, Kate, Henry, and Margaret (1872) in Stradbally/Athy. I have found no mention of Catherine who might have been the twin of Margaret.
Catherine Barrington married David Edge in Rathdrum in 1896. Her father was named as John Barrington. One of the witnesses was Elizabeth Barrington. I have found Frances (1911) and Catherine Barrington (1901 and 1911) in the Irish censuses.
Do you have any information available on the birth of Catherine? (Note that another Catherine Barrington was born to Michael and Bridget Barrington in 1872). Do you know anything more or have any leads on the Barrington and Greenham families of Stradbally? Is there any known connection with the Jonah Barrington family?
hi compostellan1,
I had a look at the extracted births for the family on familyseach (the civil index is not working correctly at the moment) and found a few children, including a Kate (i.e. Catherine), to the couple :
parents for all the below records :
Father's Name: John Barrington
Mother's Name: Margaret Greenham
Name/Birth Date/Location
Frances / 01 Jun 1864 / p433, Stradbally, Queens County
Kate / 31 Mar 1866 / p480 Stradbally, Queens County
Charity / 04 Sep 1867 / v18-p403, Stradbally, Queens County
Elizabeth / 10 Nov 1869 / p422, Stradbally, Queens County
Margaret / 01 Nov 1872 / Queens Co
Henry / 01 Nov 1874 / v18-p407 Ireland
The numbers in the location refer to a page, or volume number and page (e.g. v18-p407) in the civil index, which can be used to establish the correct record in that Index, to order certs with.
The town of Stradbally is in Co. Laois but is included in the Civil Registration district of Athy, which cover townlands in both counties Laois (Queens) and Kildare.
sorry Celtic Damsel for sidetracking your Athy thread with details for Laois..
Shane
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No problem if you can help someone do feel free, and compostellan if I can be of any further help let me know Stradbally is not that far from me , regards Damsel
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Hi Damsel and Shane
Many thanks for this. I have seen the information on the children of John and Margaret Barrington and I'm pretty sure that Frances is the sister of my great grandmother Catherine. I have a copy of Frances' birth certificate and various other bits and pieces suggesting that she is my grandmother's Aunty Fanny. The problem is with Katy who was born in 1866. I am as sure as I can be that Catherine was born in 1872 give or take one year. I suppose what I was hoping for was that there might be a Cof I parish record entry for Catherine's birth in Stradbally (Rathmore?) which would confirm that John and Margaret were her parents. I had wondered if Katy might have died in infancy thus allowing for a later Catherine but I've seen a reference (in Family Search) to a death record in the 1890's for Katy so all a bit uncertain.
My next port of call must be, I guess, the COI library in Dublin. Thank you both again for coming back so quickly.
Richard W
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As far as I know Kate is usually just short for Katherine/Catherine
what records do you have that points to her birth being c1872 ?
many people underestimate ages on census and deaths records - some of mine by nearly 10 years..
Shane
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Yes my daughter was christened Catherine but has always been known as Kate.
I have my great grandmother's wedding certificate (showing her as of full age and her father as John) and her entries in the 1901 and 1911 Irish census records (for Ballinderry, Rathdrum, Co. Wicklow) both point to her being born in Queens County around 1872.
Richard
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maybe I'm looking at the wrong census entry but the Catherine Edge wife of David I see in Ballinaderry on the 1911 census has her birth place listed as County Wicklow ?
Shane
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Sorry Shane you are right. But the 1901 census entry (a copy of which I obtained many years ago) shows her birth in Queens County which I believe to be correct. I have been working on the Barrington and Edge lines for quite some time now but keep running ito a brick wall on Catherine.
Richard
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Have you tried searching the civil index for her birth ?
(the familysearch / IGI extracted records are not always complete)
Shane