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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: elizabet on Tuesday 16 December 08 10:19 GMT (UK)
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Hiya all. New member here. I am looking to locate a possible error in my brother in law's name
Anybody got a clue where I begin with this please!
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Hi Elizabet and a warm welcome to Rootschat :)
Your post is a little confusing (to me at least) but this death looks promising:
Kenneth John MacGregor
Birthdate: 3 Jun 1933
Death registered: Apr 1997
Sandwell, West Midlands
Register number: B50
District and Subdistrict: 0701B
Entry Number: 212
Are you saying that this Kenneth, born 1933, came to England in 1938 - when he would have been 5 - to search for his mother? I don't really understand how that could be!
Anna
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Hi Elizabet
I have had a quick look at Scottish Records and can't find anything for the dates you gave.
There was one possible - Kenneth James K Macgregor born 1929, but this was in Dunoon.
I did a quick look up of marriages but there was nothing for Macgregor with either Krabbe, Crabbe or Hodnett.
It may be worth talking to any living relatives and re-checking dates.
Sandgrounder
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Hi Elizabet
I have had a quick look at Scottish Records and can't find anything for the dates you gave.
There was one possible - Kenneth James K Macgregor born 1929, but this was in Dunoon.
I did a quick look up of marriages but there was nothing for Macgregor with either Krabbe, Crabbe or Hodnett.
It may be worth talking to any living relatives and re-checking dates.
Sandgrounder
Hi Sandgrounder
I don't have any credits, but looking for a Kenneth MacGregor 1932-1934 it's saying there's one match (?)
(Elizabet, the site we are looking at for Scottish records is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, a pay-per-view site).
Anna
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Anna
I only quoted one with the "J" middle initial. There were a couple more within the dates but none seemed to be in th Glasgow area and none had a second name
Sandgrounder
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Anna
I only quoted one with the "J" middle initial. There were a couple more within the dates but none seemed to be in th Glasgow area and none had a second name
Sandgrounder
Fair enough!
Well, for what it's worth, here's a Beatrice M Hodnett from the West Midlands, as indexed on www.freebmd.org.uk:
Birth Sep qtr 1909
Hodnett Beatrice M
W.Bromwich 6b 889
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...and a birth of a Kenneth:
Birth Sep qtr 1933*
Hodnett Kenneth J (mother's maiden name Hodnett)
West Bromwich 6b 1006
* this quarter covers registrations from 1 July to 30 September so is consistent with a June birth being registered within the 6-week time limit.
Anna :)
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Possible death for Beatrice:
Beatrice Maud Crabb
Birthdate: 16 Jul 1909
Death registered: Aug 1989
Sandwell, West Midlands
Volume: 33
Page: 1050
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Thank you all. Avm 228: your remarks look promising, sincere thanks.
I have never understood it all. My in law is a Mallins (apparently!) and mentions what seem to be myths regarding his ancestry.
I am from Cirencester and know little about ireland, having never visited, but with a recent family death, my in laws keep foning me with circular stories, and I glean what I can from them, and try and confirm details as a goodwill gesture with a funeral about to ensue.
As I can understand, a miss Hoggs married a sidney or cyrus crane (spellings variate) later in life, who was a fellow boarder at a guest house.
Where Mr kannit comes into it all I cannot say, but am told - insistently - that he was born in a castle in Renfrewshire or Paisley and was due to be adopted by a Mr Edwards kannit had a half brother called Tony Crane who was younger, so maybe a second marriage was apparent somewhere!
Wish I had never offered to pursue this now! But thank you again all posters for your assistance
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Kenneth had a half brother called Tony Crabb who was younger, so maybe a second marriage was apparent somewhere!
Birth
Anthony D. Crabb (mother's maiden name Hodnett)
Dec qtr 1943
W. Bromwich 6b 1075
Death
Anthony David Crabb
Birthdate: 7 Oct 1943
Death registered: Oct 1999
Sandwell, West Midlands
Register number: A62
District and Subdistrict: 0701A
Entry Number: 35
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Marriage
Beatrice M. HODNETT
Sidney CRABB
Dec qtr 1939
W. Bromwich 2b 2607
NB this looks very much like a first marriage, not a second!
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The late "Professor" Jimmy EDWARDS starred in The Glums on the radio.
http://www.britishcomedy.org.uk/comedy/tifh.htm
I can't say what the link to your family might be though!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Err - it seems that Jimmy wasn't the marrying kind ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Edwards
:)
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Err - it seems that Jimmy wasn't the marrying kind ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Edwards
:)
...and would have been only 13 when Kenneth was born ;)
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See, maths never was my strong point, lol! :P ;D
It does say that Jimmy was married, so I suppose they might have "adopted" him in the sense of being a benefactor of some kind later in life?
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Many sincere thanks to all posters here. looks certain that the Mr Edwards idea was a family myth, unless later in life. I know the idiot whom started all this, and can interrogate him again - thank you.
The other information seems similarly correct, but Ms Hoggs would have been old enough to have had a previous marriage.
Can any one therefore trace the parents of Miss Hoggs please, as everytime I look I keep getting american immigration records. Thank you in advance
Ps: Family Search .com have no records of any kind re a Miss Hoggs, so where are posters getting their information from please?
Folk here keep giving the wrong name in titles, etc. Who is this macgregor and others you all mention please? The names are mallins and Edwards and hoggs
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Elizabet, these dates are much too late for www.familysearch.org. I have already given you the link above to FreeBMD at www.freebmd.org.uk which is a free site offering a work-in-progress transcription of the GRO indexes. Coverage is now almost complete for the 19th century and pretty good up to & including the 1920s. Beyond that it it a question of going through the indexes quarter by quarter which cannot be accessed for free and requires payment (either on a pay-per-view basis or by subscription) to a commercial provider such as www.findmypast.com or www.ancestry.com. The latter offers free trial periods from time to time which can be very useful for beginners.
The death information from 1984 onwards is only available on a paid basis from commercial sites including Findmypast and Ancestry which I have mentioned above.
Beatrice Hodnett had apparently not been married before her marriage to Mr Crabb, because Tony Crabb's birth record which I have given you the reference for above shows his mother's maiden name as Hodnett (and she was still Hodnett when she married Sidney Crabb).
We won't be able to tell you who Beatrice's parents were as she was born after the 1901 census - in order to find her parents' details you will need to purchase her birth certificate using the birth registration information I have given you at reply #5 above. You can do that online by going to the GRO website at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Cost is £7 per certificate.
Hope that helps :)
Anna
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P.S. Without detracting at all from the point I made above regarding the need for a birth certificate to identify Beatrice's parents, a quick look at FreeBMD suggests that a very good candidate couple are Thomas HODNETT and Florence Agnes POYNER, who married in West Bromwich district in Sep qtr 1895 and were still having children registered in the district as late as 1918. Unfortunately Beatrice's birth in 1909 was too early for mother's maiden name to be included in the index (though it will appear on the birth certificate).
Anna
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Many thanks to all posters and their comments. Sorry to be a nuisance and repetitive. Have locked topic now.
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P.S. Without detracting at all from the point I made above regarding the need for a birth year :) Ms Hoggs lived for a while in your cirencester home!