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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: eac61 on Saturday 13 November 10 18:52 GMT (UK)
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My Great Great parents were David Howell born abt 1835/1836 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire and Anne Ungoed (have come across a few variations of spelling) who was born in 1841 in Bedwellty, Monmouthshire. They married in Cardiff in 1864. The first census after this time 1871 he has just taken a new job at Llwynypia Railway station and the census shows him as living in the public house next door - his wife and family are still living in Cardiff - but join him later and appear on all later census records.
When David Howell died the obituary in the local paper said he had migrated to Glamorgan from Carmarthenshire on attaining the age of man - Im not really sure what would have been considered the age of man at that time ??? It also says that the funeral service was held at St Andrews Church, Llwynypia - Church of Wales. I am actually trying to find David's birth so that I can order his birth certificate and clarify who his parents are, I have tried finding him on census records for 1841 1851 1861 with no success ...
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I know this may sound an obvious question but do you have a copy of the wedding certificate?? It will give his fathers name ..
Cal 8)
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No, I havent got it as I knew Anne's Fathers name and I think I know his Fathers name, I think his Father is also David, but what I am really trying to find out is both Mother and Fathers names and Mothers maiden name which is the reason I was hoping to find trace of his birth
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I was wondering as I found a David Howell
in 1841 aged 5. Parents David and Anne siblings Rees and Evan. All born in Carmarthenshire, living in 'Langadock' (which I think could be Llangadog)
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My Great Great parents were David Howell born abt 1835/1836 in Llannon, Carmarthenshire...... I am actually trying to find David's birth so that I can order his birth certificate and clarify who his parents are....
As he was born 1835/6 at Llannon, you won't be able to get his birth certificate (pre-GRO) so you will need the Parish records for Llannon Church.
Llangadog is not that close to Llannon so unless it gives Llannon as pob I don't think this would be the right David. :-\
The correct registration district for Llannon would be Llanelly, Carms. However LDS submission says 1841 at Llanfynydd (Llandilo Fawr district), Carms and 1851 Llanelly, Carms
Morgan
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Have you seen the info on LDS site:
David Howell born Sep 1835 Llanon, Carmarthenshire, died 28 Nov 1907, buried
3 Dec 1907 Trealaw Cemetery, Glamorgan
Parents: David and Anne Howell
Spouse: Ann Hungod (Ungoed). Married 22 Mar 1864 Cardiff, Glamorgan
David Howell born about 1811 Llanelli and wife Anne born about 1813 Llanelli
You can see submitter details on the site.
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David Howell Senior was with his daughter and son-in-law William and Ann Jenkins at 9 London Row. Michaelstone Super Avon, Glamorgan in 1881
David's occupation Copper smelter
RG11 Piece 5337 Folio 47 Page 33
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IGI has extracted record for Christening of Harriet Howell, daughter of David and Anne, at Llannon on 27th May 1834.
Also marriage of David Howell and Ann Davies at Llanelly on 8th Dec 1829 - a possibility.
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1841 with David, Anne, David and Hariet was John age 1. He was born within civil registration period, so you should be able to obtain his birth certificate to verify Anne's maiden name. Birth would have been registered Llanelly. You would be best to contact Carmarthen giving all the details you have. :)
There are 2 possibilities in freebmd:
1839 (Mar Q) Llanelly volume 26 page 537
1841 (Mar Q) Llanelly volume 26 page 584
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1881 John Howell with wife Mary and 6 children, out of work labourer, born 1841 Llanon, at 10 Park Lane, Llanelly, Carmarthen,
RG11 Piece 5374 Folio 142 Page 26
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Have you seen the info on LDS site:
David Howell born Sep 1835 Llanon, Carmarthenshire, died 28 Nov 1907, buried
3 Dec 1907 Trealaw Cemetery, Glamorgan
Parents: David and Anne Howell
Spouse: Ann Hungod (Ungoed). Married 22 Mar 1864 Cardiff, Glamorgan
David Howell born about 1811 Llanelli and wife Anne born about 1813 Llanelli
You can see submitter details on the site.
The submitter was actually me - but the details were copied from an old family tree that I had been given a few years ago, which at the time I hadnt checked out as at that time I believed it to be true - but Im not so convinced now - hence the reason that I am trying to find some sort of proof of David's parents ....
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There was more than one submitter and some of the LDS records are extracted rather than submitted.
Your best bet is to get David's marriage certificate to prove Father's name and occupation.
There was more than one Howell family in Llannon Parish at the relevant time. If you can find a younger brother or sister you will have more chance of getting a GRO certificate.
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Thanks for everyones replies - I will purchase David and Anne's wedding certificate at least this will confirm who his Dad was - tho I am really keen to find who his Mother was to. Anne's Father - John Ungoed was also from Llannon !
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Have today received the wedding certificate for David Howell and his wife Anne nee Ungoed. It states that when they married in 1864 he was 26 (which would mean he was born about 1838 ? unless the age isnt true - Anne shows as being 22- when in fact she was 23 - so maybe they just didnt know their ages ;D ) and living in Radyr. His Father's name was David and was a Publican ......................... so its back for another search .....
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Also had just had another thought - all the census records say he was born in Llanon or Llannon, Carmarthenshire - these are two different places arent they - near to Aberystwyth and one to Llanelli ??? and in fact the 1881 census says David Howell was born abt 1837 Llanon
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Hi
You are right there are 2 places ... I think your David is the Llannon, Camarthanshire one
I found a publican (&grocer) with his wife in 1871
David & Elizabeth Howell both 60
With them is a grand daughter Elizabeth aged 6 .... could this be a child of David and Anne??
Address Hosprefel, Hengoed, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
Cal 8)
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I also found a David married to an Elizabeth - came up as Howells instead of Howell in the 1861 census and he was a Victualler !! So I think this maybe the same one as you found on the 1871 census ???
So do you think my one is from Llannon, Llanelli or Llanon, Aberystwyth way ?
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Llannon is in Carmarthenshire and Llanon is in Cardiganshire. I wonder if way back the one in Carmarthenshire had one 'n'. So confusing!! :(
There is a David Howell born June Q 1838 Llanelly which includes Llannon (Free Bmd 26 524).. that fits with the wedding cert .....
I have found with my ancestors that the ages are all over the place on census returns ... it could be them confused how old they are or it could be a bad transcription??
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Llannon is in Carmarthenshire and Llanon is in Cardiganshire. I wonder if way back the one in Carmarthenshire had one 'n'. So confusing!! :(
There is a David Howell born June Q 1838 Llanelly which includes Llannon (Free Bmd 26 524).. that fits with the wedding cert .....
I have found with my ancestors that the ages are all over the place on census returns ... it could be them confused how old they are or it could be a bad transcription??
I realised after I sent the last reply that they were both in different counties (duh - how stupid I am ! :-[ )
Working it on the theory that David Howell snr is the one that was married to Elizabeth in the 1861 and 1871 census the next mystery is thatI cannot find a census record for 1841 or 1851 which would have shown David born abt 1838 on them .... I am wondering whether Elizabeth is the second wife ?
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Hi
How are you?
Ann Ungoed was born 1st Jan 1841, Rhymney, Mon. Her father was John Ungoed born abt 1803 at Llannon near Llanelli.
John was one of 7 children born to William Ungoed and his wife Mary (nee Edward). They farmed at Penderrywell farm, Llannon.
Regards
Bevans1 :)
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Hi
How are you?
Ann Ungoed was born 1st Jan 1841, Rhymney, Mon. Her father was John Ungoed born abt 1803 at Llannon near Llanelli.
John was one of 7 children born to William Ungoed and his wife Mary (nee Edward). They farmed at Penderrywell farm, Llannon.
Regards
Bevans1 :)
Hi
Thanks for info - David Howell was also from Llannon - coincidental or what ? Wondered how you come across the info - are you researching the tree ?
EAC
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Hi
I thought that you may be the lady I was in touch with a while ago. Researching the same people i.e. Powell, Howell, Ungoed and USA.
I put you in touch with Kris W. Yes I have been researching the Ungoed tree.
Perhaps you would be willing to get in touch directly?
Regards
bevans1