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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Cas (stallc) on Thursday 03 July 14 17:49 BST (UK)
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If any have time would like census details on the following. Do not have them on any census would like full details if possible.
Henry Walters c1806 Kingswinford Staffs (gardner) wife Rebecca (nee) Holmes same POB, marr 29 Aug 1830 in area.
Poss children living all bapt in Old Swinford Worcs Parents Henry / Rebecca F/S
John 1831
Thomas 1832
Richard 1834
Sarah 1837
Mary Ann 1839
In 1868 Richard marr Elizabeth Sampson in Cardiff, there were a number of children b Glamorgan. He became a policeman.
Dau Daisy b 1888/9 in Ystadyfodwg (Rhondda) Glam. Would like to know how many children the couple had. POB age for Elizabeth.
Been told Richard died 1895 Glamorgan and left money to his wife Elizabeth.
There seems to be some trees on A* cannot view full as no access at mo.
Thank you if you can help
Regards Cas
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Possible 1851 -
Henry Walters 44 b. Stourbridge Gardener
Rebecca Walters 49 b. Stourbridge
William Richard Walters 16 b. Stourbridge Tree Turner
HO107 Piece 2035 Folio 94 Page 5, Angel Street, Oldswinford
JJ
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1841 for the above family -
Henry Walters 35 Labourer A
Rebecca Walters 35
Richard Walters 5
Rebecca and Richard are all born in County, however Henry is recorded as N ???
HO107 Piece 1198 Folio 32 Page 13, Lower Lane, Old Swinford
JJ
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Thank you Jen, I am researching for inlaws. Way back someone from the family recorded details in a notebook. I am trying to follow and confirm.
Appreciate the help, as of last week have no census access, they asked me a few days ago to look into the notes given.
On F/S there are a number of children same area to couple, strange
Cas
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1871 for Richard, which shows Elizabeth's POB -
Richard Walters 37 Police Constable
Elizabeth Walters 26 b. Penzance, Cornwall
Mary Walters 1 b. Pentyrch, Glamorganshire
RG10 Piece 5382 Folio 111 Page 66, Pontypridd
JJ
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Hi
I don't think Mary Ann is theirs unless there was another who died
Mary Ann Walters b. 1839 Old Swinford is coming up on censuses as daughter of Thomas and Martha
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1881 with more additions :) -
Richard Walters 46 Police Constable
Elizabeth Parell Walters 32
Mary Walters 11 b. Pentyrch, Glamorgan
Richard William Walters 9 b. Treforest, Glamorgan
Thos. James Walters 5 b. Llanfabon, Glamorgan
Arthur Albert Walters 2 b. Llanfabon, Glamorgan
Edgar Walters 6m b. Llanfabon, Glamorgan
RG11 Piece 5294 Folio 62 Page 21, Nelson Village, Pontypridd
JJ
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1891 more additions :) :)
Richard Walters 56 Police Officer
Elizabeth Walters 43
Mary Walters 21
Thos James Walters 15
Arthur Walters 12
Edgar Walters 10
Lily Walters 9
Rosie Walters 7
Dahliah Walters 5
Daisy Walters 2
Agnes Evans boarder 19
RG12 Piece 4427 Folio 25 Page 46 9 Howard Terrace, Ystradyfodwg
On the 1901 Elizabeth is recorded as widow.
JJ
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Defo right family, first dau of Daisy, was Lavinia Parnell Hayward :)
1901 - were are they living is daisy there ? other children, sorry to be a pain
Thanx Jen
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Richard Walters in 1891. RG12; 4427; 25; 46; Ystraddyfodwg, Glamorgan
Richard Walters, head, 1835, Old Swinbourne (Swinford), Police Officer
Elizabeth, wife, 1848, Penzance
Mary, daur, 1870, Pentyrch, Glamorgan
Thomas James, son, 1876, Nelson, Glamorgan
Arthur, son, 1879, Nelson, Glamorgan
Edgar, son, 1881, Nelson, Glamorgan
Lily, daur, 1882, Ystraddyfodwg, Glamorgan
Rosie, daur, 1884, Ystraddyfodwg, Glamorgan
Dahlilah, daur, 1886,Ystraddyfodwg, Glamorgan
Daisy, daur, 1889,Ystraddyfodwg, Glamorgan
Just spotted I've been beaten to it ;D. But will post anyway to add birth locations
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Not a Problem :)
1901 -
Elizabeth Walters 52 b. Penzance, Cornwall
Thomas J Walters 25 b. Nelson, Glamorgan. Collier Lab above ground
Arthur A Walters 22 b. Nelson, Glamorgan. Ditto
Edgar Walters 20 b. Nelson, Glamorgan. Dito
Lily Walters 19 b. Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan Dressmaker
Daisy Walters 12 b. Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan General Servant Domestic
RG13 Piece 5017 Folio 57 Page 16, 61 Marion Street, Ystradyfodwg
JJ
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Thank you Jen / Jool
poss probate of Richard to Elizabeth confirmed. Any further info docs or pics on the A* trees
Yep am a pain ty if you can
Appreciated Cas :)
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Probate record of Richard records the same address as that of the 1901 for the Walters family.
Can't see any photos etc ???
JJ
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Ok thx can you confirm address 1911 For Daisy Hayward, marr 1907 in area husband Joseph Charles Hayward b c 1885 Bristol. There should be Lavinia first dau maybe dau Violet. It has Marion St same area, but need the number to tie
Any info, If your willing to chase wld be appreciated For Joseph :)
Thx if you are still with me ..lots of asks ::)
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If Joseph Charles Hayward swapped his Christian names around this could be him in 1891. Note his mother's name ;)
RG12; 1947; 35; 16. Peter Street, Bedminster, Bristol
William O Hayward 32, Bristol, shoemaker
Levenia Hayward 30, Washford, Somerset
William J D Hayward 10
Minnie L Hayward 8
Charles J H Hayward 6
Eva Hayward 5
Mahela Hayward 3
Thirza L Hayward 8/12
Children all b. Bristol
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Possible ty for all your help, had not a lot from Glamorgan board, Welsh place names and history daunt a lot.
Got lots info tonite to confirm
Thank you both lots, Jen /Jool
Have done lots of 'look ups' for others in my time but you both are ace ty :) bit blind without access/census
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Birth Bedminster, Bristol, Oct Q 1884. 5c 687
Charles JOSEPH H Hayward
If the above 1891 census is the correct Charles/Joseph, possible marriage of his parents.
Marriage June Q 1881 Bristol. 6a 128
William Dyer Hayward (his middle initial O on 1891 could be D)
Lavinia Nichols
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Thank u Jool, it could well be in FH, ty for imput and clarifying tonite appreciated
Cas :)
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No problem Cas, I enjoy the hunt ;D. If there's anything else you need checking just shout.
Jool
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can you confirm address For Daisy Hayward It has Marion St same area, but need the number to tie
Hope this works No 61 is next to the terracotta coloured house
it’s the brown brick terraced house with black coloured stone around windows & door – if you zoom in you’ll see No 61 on the door
http://www.rootschat.com/links/017fx/
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Thank you Ladyhawke confirmed same address
Just need info on elusive Joseph Charles Hayward
Or Henry/ Rebecca nee (Holmes) Walters to go back
0r Elizabeth (nee) Sampson Know nothing about her except census married
Ty for input big ask again :)
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Just need info on elusive Joseph Charles Hayward
I have to agree with Jool 1891 census looks a strong possibility for Joseph, especially as his mother is named Levania and Joseph & Daisy name their daughter Lavinia
Re: the birth entry CJHH
The district Bedminster spans the boundaries of the counties of Gloucestershire and Somerset
1901 c living 43, Walter Street, Bristol, Gloucestershire he is noted as Joseph Hayward age 16 born c 1885 Bristol Bedminster
RG13 P2360 F10 Page 11
William D 42 sole cutter - boot trade, Levania 40 Washford Somerset,
William 18, Louis 12, John 7, Edward 6, Lillie 2, Walter 5 mths & JOSEPH 16 occ Inker Boot Trade, All others born Bristol Bedminster
plus a boarder Tom Nichols
Free index 1911 shows him as Joseph Hayward born c1885 Bristol Somerset
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWX9-749
Free index 1911 William Dyer Hayward
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X71X-CJW
As William’s middle name is Dyer you can search the 1911 census by surname Hayward and enter his first names in the box headed Other members of the household – this will show you who is living there with him
http://www.rootschat.com/links/017i7/
I’m not seeing a matching birth entry for a Joseph Charles Hayward on FreeBMD there is this
entry
Joseph Hayward Jun qtr. 1885 Yeovil
The district Yeovil is in the county of Somerset
The 1907 marriage certificate for Joseph Charles Hayward & Daisy Walters would confirm his father’s name, their occupations etc.....
Here's 1889 christening details of William Dyer & Levinia son Albert James Marley Hayward
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V4N7-C7V
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Henry Walters c1806 Kingswinford Staffs (gardner) wife Rebecca (nee) Holmes
same POB, marr 29 Aug 1830 in area.
Poss children living all bapt in Old Swinford Worcs Parents Henry / Rebecca F/S
John 1831
Thomas 1832
Richard 1834
Sarah 1837
Mary Ann 1839
Henry/ Rebecca nee (Holmes) Walters to go back
1841 for the above family -
Henry Walters 35 Labourer A
Rebecca Walters 35
Richard Walters 5
Rebecca and Richard are all born in County, however Henry is recorded as N ???
HO107 Piece 1198 Folio 32 Page 13, Lower Lane, Old Swinford
Possible 1851 -
Henry Walters 44 b. Stourbridge Gardener
Rebecca Walters 49 b. Stourbridge
William Richard Walters 16 b. Stourbridge Tree Turner
HO107 Piece 2035 Folio 94 Page 5, Angel Street, Oldswinford
National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription
:( Burials at St Mary's Old Swinford Worcestershire denomination ANGLICAN
JOHN Walters Age 3 Burial day 30 11 1834
THOMAS Walters Age 2 Burial day 7 12 1834
SARAH Walters Age 2 Burial day 17 11 1839
MARY ANN Walters Age 1 Burial day 8 6 1840
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Thank you Ladyhawke for the Death details of Henry/Rebecca, children. How sad :'(
Richard was the only surviving child.
Need the marriage cert to confirm Joseph father.
Anything on Elizabeth Sampson would be appreciated if possible.
Thanks again all :)
Regards Cas
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for info. this could be Henry Walters on a later census - possibly remarried
1871 c Henry Walters born Eversham occ Gardener
living 9 Queen Street, Stourbridge, Worcestershire,
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5YN-F9P
marriage entry Mar 1863 Stourbridge
Henry WALTERS name on same page Maria CARTWRIGHT
Old Swinford 1863 marriage Maria Cartwright or Stevens
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NV4D-FMG
no father’s names given you would need to obtain m/c
Two death entries in Stourbridge for a Rebecca Walters (no ages given)
Mar 1859 & Sep 1862
Elizabeth (nee) Sampson Know nothing about her except census married
Anything on Elizabeth Sampson would be appreciated if possible.
What census do you have her on?
ADDED I see it now you mention she married Richard Walters in Glamorgan
1871 census living in Glamorgan
Elizabeth born c1845 Cornwall
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5B2-XNG
1881 census
Elizabeth born c1849 Penzance Cornwall
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQC9-JPQ
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Only from 1871 onwards married to Richard they marr 1868 Cardiff first child b Pentrych (Cardiff)
Nothing before as yet.
Thanx
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Just amended my post to add the 1871 census entry :)
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1871 census shows Elizabeth Walters nee Sampson was born in Penzance
a possibility
1851 Sandy Bank, Madron, Penzance, Cornwall
Thomas Sampson 1807 Seaman Perranuthnoe
Mary 1815 Penzance
Julia 1835 Penzance
Mary Jane 1837 Penzance
Richard 1838 Penzance
Fanny 1842 Penzance
William Hy 1843 Penzance
ELIZABETH 1846 Penzance
Thomas 1848 Penzance
John 1851 Penzance
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and in 1861
Coinage Hall Street, Madron, Penzance
Thomas Sampson 52 mariner Breage
Mary 45
Fanny 19 charwoman
William H 18 mason
ELIZABETH 15 Tailoress
Thomas 14 shoe maker
John 10
All others born Penzance
again marriage certificate would confirm her fathers name
There is another Elizabeth Sampson born around the same time in Penzance (c1848)
parents Robert occ butcher & Ann siblings Robert, William, Thomas, John & Ann
and another on
1861 with parents Henry occ butcher & Emily
children Henry, Emily, Elizabeth (1848) Penzance Ellen, James. Richard & Edward
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I have just searched the local burial CD Elizabeth P Walters (Parnell?) died 1906 age 58, age could be wrong, but defo her as she is with Richard.
The first Daughter of Daisy was Lavinia Parnell. In 1881 Eliz gives her middle name as Parell, Could you kindly check spelling on 1881 plz ref above.
Thank you will see if I can connect Parnell/Parell with the family you gave. :) She also names first dau Mary.
EDIT
Deaths Jun 1906
Walters Elizabeth Parnell 58 Pontypridd 11a 317
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1881c middle name looks like PARELL to me or possibly PARRELL :-\
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Think a few certs are needed.
Wonder if she was born Parnell and her mother remarried ???
Thank you for your time and input, appreciated :)
Cas
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You are welcome :)
Have just checked Cornwall OPC and there’s nothing showing for an Elizabeth Sampson or marriage Sampson/Parnell(Parrell/Parell) that I can see ???
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/home/
The Elizabeth Sampson with parents Thomas occ mariner & Mary had children christened at
St Mary Penzance (Madron Chapelry) between 1833 - 1838
William Henry, Julia, Mary Jane, Thomas John
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Not sure if or how this fits...
18-Feb 1823
Parish Or Reg District Breage
Groom John PARNELL
Groom Age
Groom Residence Breage
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Elizabeth SAMPSON
Bride Age
Bride Residence Breage
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns
Witness William Roseland Symmons
Witness George Hebbard
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=912119
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Thx Jool will Keep on File :)
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I don't know why they were in Wales, but there is also the following
1881
RG11/5288
4 Hewill Street, Cogan, Penarth
Thomas Sampson 34 Boot maker b. Penzance
Matilda 27 Middlesex
Thomas 7 Canada, Hamilton
Evelyn 4 Glamorgan, Grangetown
Beatrice 2 Glamorgan, Cogan
Ada E 3 months Glamorgan, Cogan
1881 Wales census
Mary, widow, is with daughter Fanny Frost and family, again in Penarth. Final column mentions she is blind from birth
So it looks as if most of the family moved there :)