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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: 4kithnkin on Tuesday 03 February 15 23:13 GMT (UK)
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I'm searching on behalf of my niece's husband and have looked through usual archives, sites and online resources for Queensland, couldn't find anything for Elizabeth 'Jane' Davenport b 1868 in England to Edwin Davenport and Sarah Rawlings. We don't have her married name.
Apparently she immigrated to Australia in early 1900s. She may not have married, and may not have lived in Qld. I found a tree with her siblings and brother Edwin Davenport jr. who died in Aust., Jane was not documented on this tree.
This isn't much to go on, hoping someone searching might find a connection.
The only clue is the photo http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eoa/
Would appreciate any assistance with this. Thanks for your time :)
Kate
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Elizabeth Jane does not appear on the 1871 census living with Edwin and Sarah DAVENPORT and their daughters Florence 5 years and Ada 18 months living in Lambeth, Surrey.
Is this the 1868 birth for your Elizabeth Jane?
Births Mar 1868
DAVENPORT Elizabeth Jane Wincanton 5c/548
The district Wincanton spans the boundaries of the counties of Dorset and Somerset
Cando
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The only family trees that I am seeing have (Albert) Edwin DAVENPORT, son of Edwin and Sarah, dying in Middlesex in 1952.
Do you have more information on the photo and how it relates to the particular family you are researching? Who is Chas. JOHNSON and who owns the photo album?
Debra :)
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Think you are trying to link to the wrong family. Edwin Davenport and Sarah Rawlings married in Lambeth, London, all their children baptised in Lambeth and they lived in Lambeth on the census. They certainly do not appear to have had a daughter with this name and their son, as has been pointed out already, was named Edwin Albert Davenport b.1874 (reg'd as Albert Edwin but baptised and known as Edwin Albert) and he remained in the UK where he died in 1952.
So, if we take a step forward, where/when did 'your' Edwin die in Australia? Where in England did 'your' Edwin and sister Elizabeth Jane come from? They certainly were not children of Edwin Davenport and Sarah Rawlings.
The birth mentioned by Cando can't be the one as that child died in the same quarter of birth.
Annette
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The birth mentioned by Cando can't be the one as that child died in the same quarter of birth.
Noticed that as well...I should have posted the death...apologies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morinish,_Queensland
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I found an E.Davenport arriving in Sydney in 1910 on findmypast, but as I don't have a subscription I can't go any further with that entry.
Then I checked in Trove and found an Elizabeth Davenport cited as Plaintiff in a court case for the estate of James Henry Thomas Joyce ex Policeman who died in May 1912. He had a wife and children and the funeral notices etc are also in Trove.
He died Intestate and the notice with Elizabeth Davenport as Plaintiff could indicate that she was somehow involved with James Joyce. Maybe a Rootschatter with more experience than me for searching in New South Wales might be able to find some more information on this.
The funeral notice is in the Sydney Morning Herald on 16th May 1912. The following year there are memorials from the family.(No mention of Elizabeth Davenport)
The notice in Trove for the court case for James Joyce being Intestate when he died in also in the Sydney Morning Herald on 2nd June 1914. I will try to attach a copy of this article.
this Elizabeth Davenport may not be "your" Elizabeth of course.
Noells
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Yes that is Elizabeth Jane's birth, forgot to mention, we have the certificate. She was born 15 Feb 1868 Wincanton, Bruton, Somerset. Father Edwin is Steam Engine Boilermaker journeyman. Mother is Sarah Rawlings. Residence is High St. Bruton.
Thanks,
Kate
Elizabeth Jane does not appear on the 1871 census living with Edwin and Sarah DAVENPORT and their daughters Florence 5 years and Ada 18 months living in Lambeth, Surrey.
Is this the 1868 birth for your Elizabeth Jane?
Births Mar 1868
DAVENPORT Elizabeth Jane Wincanton 5c/548
The district Wincanton spans the boundaries of the counties of Dorset and Somerset
Cando
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That child did not survive.
The birth mentioned by Cando can't be the one as that child died in the same quarter of birth.
Noticed that as well...I should have posted the death...apologies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morinish,_Queensland
The easiest thing to do here I think is to tell us who is the ancestor of your niece's husband and we can try to find an Elizabeth Jane connected to the family.
Debra :)
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Deaths Mar 1868
DAVENPORT Elizabeth Jane 0 years Wincanton 5c/370
This is obviously the death of the child born the same quarter.
In 1911 Edwin and Sarah DAVENPORT stated they had 10 children 7 of whom were living.
I can see on the various census Florence, Ada A, Alice E, Albert E, Gertrude Jane, Lily G and Walter.
Do you have any other birth certificates of their children to whom you can connect your research?
Cando
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This is probably of little help!
Morinish is a rural area near to Rockhampton in Queensland. There is a mine there, according to TROVE and a Mr Charles Johnson was the manager in 1890.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52337486
Judith
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The Rockhampton electoral rolls show a Charles Thomas JOHNSON living at Londesborough Dairy, Gracemere Road, farmer from 1903.
Includes JOHNSON family at Morinish
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/169784208?q&versionId=185044751
"... a history of the Morinish district covering its first fifty years of European settlement and activity" --Page xv.
Includes bibliographical references (pages 321-364) and index.
Cando
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I was given a copy of the birth of Elizabeth Jane by the family. I also found the infant death and the death of Edwin jr. in Middlesex. The family did the search so I will start with the information I am aware of...
Elizabeth Jane Davenport had siblings Mary, Annie, Alice as written on a photo. The photo/postcard taken in England of a house named Cross Trees Braemar apparently where the Davenport family lived.
Elizabeth 'Jane' lived with or was married to Walter Frederick Campbell Ramsay. They were told he was married to another woman at the time; I found another marriage if it is same man. The family believe he was from Scotland (not verified).
Elizabeth Jane and Walter had daughter (Margaretta) Margarita Elizabeth Campbell Ramsay b. 8 Nov 1897 in South Chelsea, London (birth cert), and daughter Jean Dove Campbell Ramsay. They lived on Highgate Street. Walter was a Heraldic artist.
Margaretta and Jean were sent to live with their mother's sister Mary Davenport Jones, wife of Herbet Jones.
Marg was sent to Canada with the Barnardo home children, Jean Ramsay stayed in England, married William Bonny.
British Home Children records confirm Margaretta's immigration. The sisters met again when Jean came to Canada, they were in their seventies. I understand information about their mother was shared at that time and Margaret's daughter did the search.
I don't know how Margaret's family acquired the photos of Elizabeth Jane Davenport, likely through their aunt Mary. They were told their mother left for Australia while their father returned to his family (in Scotland?)
This is confusing, Thanks everyone for your input. :)
Kate
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Margaretta and Jean were sent to live with their mother's sister Mary Davenport Jones, wife of Herbet Jones.
Marg was sent to Canada with the Barnardo home children, Jean Ramsay stayed in England, married William Bonny.
Kate
In 1911 Jeanie (neice) is with Herbert and Mary JONES at Godshill, Fordingbridge in Hampshire. Henry and Mary have been married for 7 years and have no children born alive, but two sons living with them ;D I would think it is a second marriage for either one of them or both.
Mary is born in Breamore, Hampshire c1856
Debra :)
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Births Dec 1900
RAMSAY Jeanie Dove N Flegg 4b/40
On the 1901 census Margaret RAMSEY 3, born London and Jeannie RAMSEY 6 months, Born Caistor-on-Sea, Norfolk are boarders.
This is the only marriage I can find on the same page [and it may not be this couple marrying] for Elizabeth Jane's sister Mary to a Herbert JONES.
Marriages Dec 1902
DAVENPORT Mary Elizabeth Prestwich 8d/665
JONES Herbert Barratt Prestwich 8d/665
The photo/postcard taken in England of a house named Cross Trees Braemar apparently where the Davenport family lived.
I thought Braemar was in Scotland. Perhaps there is also one in England.
http://braemarscotland.co.uk/
Cando
Edit...comments about the marriage noted Deb... :)
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Perhaps Braemar is actually Breamore??
Debra :)
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Wow, this is complicated, but I have to go out!!
It was Mary's first marriage and she was Elizabeth's half sister.
Marriages Jun Quarter 1903
JONES, Herbert
NICKLEN, Mary Ann D
Registered at Lymington
Vol. 2b Page 1409
Debra :)
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Perhaps Braemar is actually Breamore??
Yes possibly.
I have found an Elizabeth J DAVENPORT on a census in 1871 living with William and Fanny DAVENPORT,and Mary NICKLEN.
This appears to be Mary's birth
Births Jun 1856
NICKLEN Mary Ann Dove Fordingbridge 2b/507
On the 1881 Census Mary is noted as a step-dau. Will type up the census in a moment. My presence is being requested outisde by OH :)
Cando
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Elizabeth Jane Davenport had siblings Mary, Annie, Alice as written on a photo. The photo/postcard taken in England of a house named Cross Trees Braemar apparently where the Davenport family lived.
1881 Census RG11/1201/24/16
Living at Upper Street, Breamore, Hampshire
DAVENPORT William Head 47 years Ag lab All the family born Breamore, Hampshire
DAVENPORT Fanny Wife 51 years Laundress
DAVENPORT Elizabeth J Dau 12 years Scholar
DAVENPORT Annie E Dau 9 years
DAVENPORT Eliza A Dau 7 years
NICKLEN Mary A D Step-dau 25 years Infirmits?
NICKLEN William Wife's brother Widow 36 years Assistant gardener
Cando
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I can't find a marriage for Wm DAVENPORT to Fanny but possibly there weren't married as...
Births Sep 1867
NICKLEN Elizabeth Jane Fordingbridge 2b/602
Fordingbridge Registration District included Breamore.
Cando
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Thank you Cando, Debra, Judith, Noells and Annette for the incredible assistance and information! ... it didn't help that I was too tired to see the spelling of Breamore.
Fanny and William married 1868 in Fordingbridge, Hampshire.
Cheers,
Kate
Elizabeth Jane Davenport had siblings Mary, Annie, Alice as written on a photo. The photo/postcard taken in England of a house named Cross Trees Braemar apparently where the Davenport family lived.
1881 Census RG11/1201/24/16
Living at Upper Street, Breamore, Hampshire
DAVENPORT William Head 47 years Ag lab All the family born Breamore, Hampshire
DAVENPORT Fanny Wife 51 years Laundress
DAVENPORT Elizabeth J Dau 12 years Scholar
DAVENPORT Annie E Dau 9 years
DAVENPORT Eliza A Dau 7 years
NICKLEN Mary A D Step-dau 25 years Infirmits?
NICKLEN William Wife's brother Widow 36 years Assistant gardener
Cando
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1871 Census RG10/1183/Folio/65// 22
Living at Breamore, Hampshire
NICKLEN Thomas Head Widower 70 years All born Breamore, Hampshire
DAVENPORT William Son-in-law Married 37 years Ag lab
DAVENPORT Fanny Dau Married 41 years
NICKLEN Mary Ann Grand dau 15
DAVENPORT Elizabeth J Grand dau 2
Cando
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A Marriage in the Mar Q 1868 at Fordingbridge 2b / 801
Recorded as DEVENPORT William & NICKLEN Fanny
Essie
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So now we have the possibility of Elizabeth having used 2 surnames during her life - (edited - see Reply #24 below)
born as NICKLEN 1867, [/color] DAVENPORT and perhaps, RAMSAY.
This looks to be the birth of the child Margarita with two entries - Cando has already posted the birth for Jeannie Dove RAMSAY.
Mar qr, 1898
Margarita Elizabeth C R DAVENPORT, reg Chelsea, Vol 1a, p418
Margarita Elizabeth C R RAMSAY, reg Chelsea, Vol 1a, p418
When did Margaretta go to Canada?
Judith
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Thanks Essie and Judith, we have the birth cert for Margretta. She sailed on the S.S. Dominion with the Barnardo children 8 Oct 1908, arrived Quebec on 19 Oct.
Kate
So now we have the possibility of Elizabeth having used at least 3 surnames during her life - born as NICKLEN 1867, changed to DAVENPORT by 1871 and then perhaps, RAMSAY.
This looks to be the birth of the child Margarita with two entries - Cando has already posted the birth for Jeannie Dove RAMSAY.
Mar qr, 1898
Margarita Elizabeth C R DAVENPORT, reg Chelsea, Vol 1a, p418
Margarita Elizabeth C R RAMSAY, reg Chelsea, Vol 1a, p418
When did Margaretta go to Canada?
Judith
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Interesting - I too had come to William and Fanny possibly being her parents before I went to bed and then I discover all this activity when I look at the thread this morning!
Just thought I'd point out that Elizabeth Jane was not born Nicklen - as the 1871 and 1881 census both suggested a birthdate of 1868/69 the 1867 birth as Nicklen didn't seem right. Have had another look and she was actually born Elizabeth Jane Devenport (same spelling as when her father married) in Mar.qtr.1869 Fordingbridge.
So, Nicklen is not a name she would have used for herself after all so narrows down the possibilities.
Can you tell us the occupation given for Walter F C Ramsay on his daughters birth certificates?
Annette
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Can you tell us the occupation given for Walter F C Ramsay on his daughters birth certificates?
Is this from a birth cert?
Walter was a Heraldic artist.
Kate
We are no closer to finding Elizabeth Jane DAVENPORT 's husband in Queensland.
Cando
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For Walter:
There are two possibilities b. Hartlepool (not Scotland, but they both seem to have Scottish)
Walter Frederic(k) Campbell Ramsay b. 1874 married 1894 to Rosa Kate Smith in London, and from online trees it seems that she remarried in 1902 (in Hampshire, to Alfred Edward Elborn). He was born Durham (but may have had Scottish connections). I believe this is likely to be your man - possibly he scarpered with Elizabeth?
I can see his two daughters with Rosa Kate (Elizabeth Maude Mary b. 1894 and Kathleen Winifred as "Winifred C") as "Ramsey" in the 1901 census in Brown Candover with their Smith grandparents.
There was also a Walter Frederick Campbell Ramsay b. 1879 (birth reg early 1800) also in Hartlepool, son of Daniel and Eliza, and this one did move to Australia (unclear precisely when) and died in NSW 1967. He, along with what looks like his entire family, moved to NSW on the Cuzco in 1888 - so he is not your man but his presence in Australia may cause some red herrings.
The 1874 Walter:
Born the son of John and Elizabeth Worthy (nee Thompson):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NX67-4DZ (his birth)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNNF-K37 (the marriage)
His mother remarried by 1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3RD-Z7C
Death for John Ramsay, 1875, aged 28 and remarriage for Elizabeth Worthy Ramsey to John Hunter in 1877
Not born in Scotland but definite Scottish connections in the family - his stepfather at minimum.
If Walter and Elizabeth went to Australia, they must have done so under new names. I also don't see any likely remarriages for Elizabeth under Davenport or Ramsay in England. ???
Scrolling through a list of Elizabeth Jane deaths in Queensland now - none linked to Davenport or Ramsey but how about:
Jane Elizabeth Robertson, d. 1943, parents not listed but born Hampshire aged 81.
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Some potential deaths from Queensland bmd:
Jane Elizabeth Robertson, d. 1943 aged 81, b. Hampshire (age off but birthplace close?)
- nope, obituary specifies she emigrated "60 years ago" with her husband.
Elizabeth Jane Barnes, d. 1933 (no further details)
- http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=10124647 - cemetery details say b. about 1860.
Elizabeth Jane Hughes, "Ramsay" in father's name slot but maybe misindexed/mistaken - is that possible in the QLD indexing?
She d. 1926 aged 53 , b. England (again, age off a little, but closest found so far).
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I agree, Cando, but it helps looking at the larger picture.
There is really only one candidate for Walter Frederick Campbell Ramsay who was baptised at Stanton, Durham (census states birthplace as Hartlepool) 30/11/1874 as Walter Frederic Campbell Ramsay, son of a John Ramsay and Elizabeth (nee Worthy). By 1881 Elizabeth is remarried to 'Hunter'. (There was another WFCR born 1880 but he and family emigrated to Australia in 1888).
He married as Walter Frederic (same spelling as baptism) Campbell Ramsay to a Rose Kate Smith in Jun.qtr.1894 Kensington and a daughter born at end of the year named Elizabeth Maude Mary Ramsay. A frustrating tree on Ancestry (no places mentioned) shows that WFRC died on 5/1/1901 but I cannot find a death in the UK. His wife remarries as Rosie Kate Ramsay to Alfred Edward Elborn Mar.qtr.1902 Alresford and lives until 99 years of age, dying in 1970.
So, if WFRC did indeed die on 5/1/1901 (wherever this was) then Elizabeth Jane Davenport would have been left alone. I also note that her widowed father was living at Cross Trees, Breamore on the next census!
Perhaps WFRC and EJD went to Australia 1900 and he died en route. Certainly, can find neither on the 1901 census or thereafter.
Annette
I see jorose has already mentioned (drat - Lol) some of my findings.
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TROVE has this obit for Jane Elizabeth ROBERTSON which probably rules her out - a public tree gives her maiden name as Jane Elizabeth KNIGHT, b Alton, Hampshire 1861 and married William Bridges ROBERTSON in 1879 in Axminster, Devon.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/61847415
Judith
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Some potential deaths from Queensland bmd:
Elizabeth Jane Hughes, "Ramsay" in father's name slot but maybe misindexed/mistaken - is that possible in the QLD indexing?
She d. 1926 aged 53 , b. England (again, age off a little, but closest found so far).
She lived at Wowan near Mount Morgan with Thomas Herbert Alfred HUGHES who is probably her husband. He committed suicide just eight days after her death and they are buried together at Mount Morgan. Thomas was born in South Australia in 1874 and they were living in Rockhampton in 1913.
I am not having any success with a marriage or children.
Debra :)
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An article about Thomas - electoral rolls show him as a carpenter, at burial he is a farmer, and reports of his death have him at Pocket Creek, Wowan. Pity the photo is of someone else!!
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71978840
Wowan is still a thriving metropolis ;D
Debra :)
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A strong possibility Debra. One of the rolls show his details as Wowan, Dawson Valley Railway, carpenter. Perhaps he was building stations and other infrastructure. The disused railway station and good shed survive. Just looks like the lines were removed and the buildings abandoned.
The 1901 death for Walter Frederick Campbell RAMSEY/RAMSAY was in South Africa. One of the census shows Walter to be a soldier so possibly, if it was him, he was killed during the Boer War. The index only shows initial W. and no further detail. Far removed from heraldic artist which appears to be the occupation on the girls birth certificates but was he accurate with his occupation at that time.
Why did Charles JOHNSON take a photograph of Elizabeth Jane DAVENPORT with her husband?
Was she a family member :-\
Were they living at Morinish in Qld or simply visiting?
Judith mentioned a Charles JOHNSON, mine manager at Morinish. He died at Rockhampton as a result of an accident at Morinish, in 1891.
Enrolled to vote at Morinish in 1903,1905 BUT were these people already living there pre-Federation?
JOHNSON Elizabeth Morinish Goldfield Domestic duties
JOHNSON Martin Morinish Goldfield Miner
OR she could have been Elizabeth Jane MACKAY, Elizabeth HANSEN or Elizabeth McKENZIE who were also enrolled to vote at Morinish :-\ :-\.
OR none of the above ;)
The architectural style of the home was not exclusive to Queensland.
Cando
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The architectural style of the home was not exclusive to Queensland.
I agree. The home, the veranda steps, well to me it looks very much like the homes in some NSW townships where there's the seasonal flooding of their local rivers .... for example Lismore, Grafton, Yamba.
Cheers, JM
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Thank you all searching for the elusive Ms. Davenport. I believe she was called Jane, still the documents would be written with her full name. I have asked the family and they did find an entry for EJ Davenport on ship's list to Australia. I sincerely hope they find it soon, and letters which may provide an address. And I have asked about the photo.
I found Walter Ramsay from Hartlepool birth 1874 and had requested a copy of the death record from the tree owner, a descendant of Rosa Kate Smith and Walter. Cando is correct about the death of Walter Ramsay, b. Hartlepool with the Scots Guard in the Boer War; he died 5 Jan 1901 at Lindley. His attestation date 21 Feb. 1891. I have asked if she has any other information to share.
I looked for all variants of EJ Davenport's name in the BMD's and news with no results other than an EJD in the police news. Dress making supplies were stolen. Your research has turned up more possibilities, thank you for your time on this. I will try to find more helpful clues from the family.
Kate
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/54337895?searchTerm="T H A Hughes"
- T.H.A. Hughes - says he left no family, so probably no children.
He had been in the South African police force, and a gold prospector in Western Australia.
So a range of locations where they could have met - perhaps it's even possible that Elizabeth headed to South Africa, trying to find Walter, and then found Thomas instead ;)
I don't see a potential marriage in WA.
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I believe I've found her in 1901 in Great Yarmouth, working as a servant, not far from her 2 girls who were boarding in Caistor on Sea:
Jennie Ramsey Marr. 34 Cook born Braemore, Hampshire (as spelt, but transcribed as Bradmore).
Ref. RG13 - 1812 - 65 - 2.
(This may already be known but couldn't see on the thread unless I missed it).
Annette
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Good find, Annette, looks very likely this is her. The census image is clearly "Breamore" not "Bradmore". I notice that the children's surname on the 1901 census appears to be RAMSEY also. And, today, the bus from Gt Yarmouth to Caistor runs every 20 minutes and the trip takes 16 minutes (according to Googlemap ;D)
I think I would be buying the death certificate for Elizabeth Jane HUGHES. Qld certificates can be downloaded immediately for $AU20 and death certificates should contain information re marriage and parentage - depending on the knowledge/truthfulness of the informant.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/how-to-order-historical-records/
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Nice find Annette, it does appear to be EJD on the census. Thank you all for the research and suggestions ... I ordered the death cert for EJ Hughes; unfortunately nothing conclusive.
She was 52, Presbyterian, born in Hampshire to Mr. Ramsay, a farmer. This Elizabeth was either a Ramsay by birth, or her husband didn't know.
She married Thomas Herbert Alfred Hughes in Johannesburg, SA when she was 34 (abt 1907); and had lived in Qld for 16 yrs. (since 1910). Interred Mount Morgan cemetery.
I also read the articles about T.H.A. Hughes' death shortly after her death and couldn't find anything to add or confirm.
Nothing further from the family regarding immigration records or year. They did send a scan of the back of the photo (below). http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eoa/
It appears Chas. Johnson may have been a photographer (attached his stamp).
Written message to the daughter of EJD on the back of photo: poss written by Aunt Mary Jones.
"Your step-father and mother on the verandah of their home which he built ten or eleven years ago."
I read in one Qld newspaper that Thomas Hughes was a builder, dairy farmer etc.
The grandson of EJD has a letter dated 1949 written to his mother in Canada from his aunt Mary (Nicklen) Jones of Elim, Breamore. A probate notice in 1950 confirms Mary's address in Hampshire. There was no news of EJD in the letter.
Thanks again for your kindness and for your time, I'll keep searching :)
Kate
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She married Thomas Herbert Alfred Hughes in Johannesburg, SA when she was 34 (abt 1907);
Perhaps a marriage certificate would be helpful.
Cando
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Cando I was just reading up about that and I don't think they contain any useful info, but still investigating ;D
DAWSON VALLEY NEWS.
WOWAN.
The news of the death of Mr. T. H. A. Hughes, which occurred in the Mt. Morgan Hospital on Friday..... In his young days he was a member of the South African police force and also a prospector on the West Australian goldfields.
Debra :)
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Yes I read that and I think it has been mentioned earlier in the thread.
I have researched in SA for OH's family and to be honest can't recall what info was available. I think their death certs had information that helped me progress. A while ago now so would need to re-visit the research.
Cando :)
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It sure would if it contains the parents names ;) I have been searching w/o success.
Kate
She married Thomas Herbert Alfred Hughes in Johannesburg, SA when she was 34 (abt 1907);
Perhaps a marriage certificate would be helpful.
Cando
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Probably doesn't help you but a quick look at my research in SA years ago shows a family member visited SA and applied for the birth and death certs. I haven't had a marriage cert from SA. Info about the marriages were taken from the Death Notices in the probate files.
Cando
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Perhaps a post on the South Africa board my help?
It looks as though this is the right person with the anecdotal information.
Judith
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I have a sample Sth Africa dc somewheres. DCs seem to be informative, so perhaps mc will be too ?
"DEATH NOTICE.
Pursuant to the provisions contained in the Administration of Estates Act 1913"
DC headings:
Name of deceased, including nee
Birthplace, and nationality of deceased
Names and addresses of the parents of the deceased (and records if parents are known to be deceased)
Age of deceased in years and months
Occupation in life of the deceased, or if a women, of her husband
Ordingary place of residence of the deceased, or if a woman, of her husband
Married or unmarried, widower or widow
Name of surviving spouse (if any) and whether married in community of property or not
Name or Names and approximate date of death of pre-deceased spouse or spouses
Place of last marriage
The day of the decease
Where the person died House and Town or Place and District
Name of children of the deceased, and whether majors or minors
of birth of each minor, Names must be written out in full. Tf there are no children and either or both parents be dead, then give the names and address of the brothers and sisters of the deceased
Has the deceased left any movable property
Has the deceased left any immovable property
Is it estimated that the estate exceeds £300 in value
Has the deceased left a will.....
Fingers crossed that birth and marriage certs are as informative, and there's online ways to look up and to order ;D and they are not too expensive ;D
Cheers, JM (edited to add headings :) )
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My trusty notebook reminds me that the Death Notice belongs in the Probate File, exactly as Cando noted too.... ;D, and I don't seem to have a BDM Reg. General's issued cert :-\ :-\
Probably doesn't help you but a quick look at my research in SA years ago shows a family member visited SA and applied for the birth and death certs. I haven't had a marriage cert from SA. Info about the marriages were taken from the Death Notices in the probate files.
Cando
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Kate,
I was surprised when I did some searching on google today and came across your posts regard Elizabeth.
I saw the photo of Elizabeth & husband....I am assuming that he is Thomas Herbert Alfred Hughes ??
Thomas is part of my family tree and we don't have very much information about him. Please let me know if I can help in any way.
Erin