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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: IgorStrav on Monday 18 March 19 22:43 GMT (UK)
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Hello
This is my first visit to the Irish section of the boards, please forgive me for my inexperience.
I am researching the tree of a friend and his great grandmother was ELLEN YOUNG, who married in the UK in 1863 and lived there till her death in 1912.
She married Richard William Dad(e)y (1841 City of London) in St Thomas' Church, Stepney, which was CofE, and I assume this confirms she was not Catholic.
Her father is shown as THOMAS YOUNG, deceased, with no occupation shown.
In various censuses she says that she was born in Cork, Ireland. I cannot find her, or her father, in London or elsewhere in the UK ahead of her marriage in 1863.
I am completely inexperienced with Irish research, and gather that Catholic records are more easily found?
Is there any advice you can give me to help me move further back in this line?
Thank you
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There are baptisms for several Ellen Youngs with father named Thomas in these Cork R.C. records but no way to tell if any might be the one you are looking for-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
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There are baptisms for several Ellen Youngs with father named Thomas in these Cork R.C. records but no way to tell if any might be the one you are looking for-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
Thank you, Aghadowey, much appreciated.
I have found a possible 1835 baptism for Ellen Young, with father Tom Young, and mother Catherine Keady, at Dromagurtnine, but of course no certainty at all that this is the right one...
I wonder whether the person whose tree this is, has any possibility of finding out from his mother (in her 90's) whether there is any legend in the family about her Irish grandmother (who died 10 years before she was born) regarding where in Ireland she came, and if she was originally Catholic, although she married in a CofE church in London.
Otherwise..... :( >:(
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You have found a possible 1835 baptism for Ellen Young, with father Tom Young, and mother Catherine Keady, at Dromagurtnine, but of course no certainty at all that this is the right one...
So have you looked for a Marriage about 20 yrs later for the one you found? If you find that one Marrying you can eliminate her!
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Thank you, good thought. I will look again....
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I am researching the tree of a friend and his great grandmother was ELLEN YOUNG, who married in the UK in 1863 and lived there till her death in 1912.
Died in the Mile End Union Infirmary, 27 Feb 1912. Age 71
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1T-2S2C-6?i=63&cat=1249964
To be buried Leyton
Age 70 in 1911 in the WH
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWPC-CJX
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Do they mean St Patrick's Roman Catholic Cemetery?
Workhouse admissions say she was RC.
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Yes, that is the correct death - I have been looking on Ancestry and FindMyPast and hadn't got to FamilySearch so very many thanks indeed for these.
I'd not seen the "deaths in the infirmary" document, which shows the cause of death - looks like a stroke.
She was shown on the 1901 Census as 'paralysed' so I had previously theorised she'd suffered a stroke earlier.
I can't see the workhouse admissions showing her as RC as yet, but will have another look.
Thank you, all clues here very much welcomed
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To be buried Leyton
Age 70 in 1911 in the WH
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWPC-CJX
I see what you mean - I'd not picked up on that (despite coming from Leytonstone myself!) - as the Leyton cemetery would imply St Patrick's Catholic Cemetery.
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And I've now found the Workhouse Admission register (having previously only looked at Discharges) which does indeed show her as RC.
Well, that at least takes me into more potential Irish records from the Catholic community. :)
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I have found a possible 1835 baptism for Ellen Young, with father Tom Young, and mother Catherine Keady, at Dromagurtnine, but of course no certainty at all that this is the right one...
There isn't any certainty, but there is a 16 year old Ellen Young, daughter of Catherine, living in Ratcliff in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGX5-KWH
Same Catherine and son Thomas in 1861?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-KDH2
In the census, and on death, your Ellen is said to be a bit younger of course.
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I have found a possible 1835 baptism for Ellen Young, with father Tom Young, and mother Catherine Keady, at Dromagurtnine, but of course no certainty at all that this is the right one...
There isn't any certainty, but there is a 16 year old Ellen Young, daughter of Catherine, living in Ratcliff in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGX5-KWH
Same Catherine and son Thomas in 1861?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-KDH2
In the census, and on death, your Ellen is said to be a bit younger of course.
Very many thanks again! Husband Richard William Dady was a bit younger than Ellen even if she was born 1839, and therefore I see no problem in Ellen having slightly adjusted her own age to get a bit closer to him....
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you may have hit on it, Jonw!
Irish records show a baptism for a THOMAS YOUNG, in 1842, to a Thomas Young and Catherine Ceady from Droumagurtnine, in the parish of Caharagh (thereby matching the previous entry I found for Ellen Young with parents Tom Young and Catherine Keady)
:D
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Hi
That does sound promising! Wondering - if this turns out to be the correct family - whether Tom died in England?
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Hi
That does sound promising! Wondering - if this turns out to be the correct family - whether Tom died in England?
Have just been looking at Thomas Young deaths between 1842 (when son Thomas was baptised in Cork) and 1851 when his wife Catherine was shown as 'widow' in the 1851 Census.
Difficult to pin down, especially as no confirmation of age - was he born in c 1806 like his wife?
Incidentally, did you notice the 1851 address of 'Ruins' in Ratcliff Hamlet? It wasn't a great environment all round there (my ancestors lived there too), but this takes it a bit far.......google doesn't show much.
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I have found two possible death refs, one in 1846 in Stepney for a Thomas Young aged 32 (so dob 1814) and another in 1848 in Stepney aged 40, so born 1808 (which might be a better match for Catherine who is either born in 1808, or 1811 (the latter less likely as it produces a rounded age for the census)
I may take a punt on the second death cert, on behalf of the person I'm doing the research for - though of course it won't tell me much, and unless it's the same address as the 1851 census and/or the notifier is Catherine Young, we won't know for definite it's him anyway
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I may take a punt on the second death cert, on behalf of the person I'm doing the research for - though of course it won't tell me much, and unless it's the same address as the 1851 census and/or the notifier is Catherine Young, we won't know for definite it's him anyway
It must be the Mile End workhouse death?
Thomas Young admitted 3 June 1848, parish charged to - Ratcliff
Discharge/Death on 5 July (image 62 on ancestry)
There is also a Catherine Young, 50, admitted to the workhouse at Wapping, 9 July 1862
Discharge/Death on 13 July (image 49 on ancestry)
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I may take a punt on the second death cert, on behalf of the person I'm doing the research for - though of course it won't tell me much, and unless it's the same address as the 1851 census and/or the notifier is Catherine Young, we won't know for definite it's him anyway
It must be the Mile End workhouse death?
Thomas Young admitted 3 June 1848, parish charged to - Ratcliff
Discharge/Death on 5 July (image 62 on ancestry)
There is also a Catherine Young, 50, admitted to the workhouse at Wapping, 9 July 1862
Discharge/Death on 13 July (image 49 on ancestry)
I'll look for the workhouse details. Had only got the death refs via Ancestry deaths/crosschecked for age via GRO.
You are evidently ticking all the boxes I'm leaving unchecked. Thank you!
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Hi
I don't think there is going to much more in the workhouse records. They are a bit pot luck.
Just noticed, there are catholic baptisms online of four children of Richard Dady + Ellen (Young), at St Mary & St Michael, Commercial Road, Stepney (1864-76)
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I'm just searching the Workhouse records now. I think there may be more for my own family, when I get back to them later.
This isn't my own family, but I'm finding it a very sad search. Catherine Young was, I see, brought into the workhouse 'ill' and 'in the cradle' which I assume means on a stretcher, or more likely in some sort of wheeled cart.
The person I am researching for was very sad to find his great grandmother Ellen, daughter of Thomas and Catherine, dying in the workhouse in 1912, so I'm assuming this will be another blow.
We are so lucky, aren't we, that these ancestors hung on bravely and resiliently long enough, in terrible circumstances, so that we're here today.
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I wish there was a bit more certainty.
I haven't seen Ellen in 1861. There's a Catherine, relationship cousin, in the same area as the older Catherine with Thomas.
Godparents on that first baptism in 1864 (Ellen) were Michael Drury, Catherine Drury. The latter was the only one on the second one in 1870 (William)
John
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Thank you very much for keeping on looking. :)
I think I've found son Thomas Young in the 1881, unmarried, born 1841 Ireland in what appears to be a lodging house with many lodgers at 8/9 London Road Ratcliff, a dock labourer.
And I believe he is admitted to the workhouse at Bromley House Stepney in March 1886 - or at least an RC labourer called Thomas Young with about the right age is.
Haven't found his discharge or death yet.
Also noticed the godparents, but didn't see the 'cousin'. Will go back and look again.
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I haven't seen Ellen in 1861. There's a Catherine, relationship cousin, in the same area as the older Catherine with Thomas.
John
Haven't managed to see Catherine Young (cousin) in the 1861 close to older Catherine and Thomas at 18 Ruins, John - can you possibly give me a few more clues as to where she is? Please ignore, have now found her...
And what do you think of the mysterious entry with Catherine and Thomas, the Sandy? P. Evans, aged one - does that say "nease" (neice?) Surely the census enumerator would have spelled that word right, even if the person writing the schedule for didn't?