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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: Kenneal67 on Thursday 16 April 20 13:00 BST (UK)
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Maybe the Fife forum isnt the right place for this but I was wondering if anyone else has a family group that appear to have dodged or not been recorded in any census records?
I have Hugh McKenna probably born in Ireland married Catherine Carlan ( also probably born in Ireland) in Ayr in 1833. I have Hughs death record in Ballingry in 1873 and present was his son in law Michael Reynolds. He was a widower so Catherine died before him.
I cant find Hugh or his family or kids ( Elizabeth 1840 Kilmadock / Doune, Hugh 1843 Stirling and John 1848 Falkirk) in any census records from 1841 to 1871.
Its a bit weird
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There are some Fife parish census records that are lost/destroyed, this could explain things?
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/census-records/1841-census#Missing
EDIT: This would obviously only apply to 1841.
I've checked A*cestry and there seems to be another family with a Hugh and Catherine McKenna living in Govan, Glasgow for a period of time, but the places of birth don't match up.
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Elizabeth married in 1866 in Cowdenbeath and her mother was deceased by then.
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Ancestry 1841 census has:
Hugh McCenen 30 Lab. born Perthshire
Catherine McCenen 22 born Ireland
Sally McCenen 7
Elizabeth McCenen 1
James Adams 20
Doune South Street
Maureen
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Ancestry 1841 census has:
Hugh McCenen 30 Lab. born Perthshire
Catherine McCenen 22 born Ireland
Sally McCenen 7
Elizabeth McCenen 1
James Adams 20
Doune South Street
Maureen
I thought I had covered all alternative spellings , that looks very interesting thank you!!
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I guess "Sally" on the 1841 is Sarah:
Sarah Mcanna
Marriage Date:
4 Dec 1853
Marriage Place:
Carnock,Fife,Scotland
Spouse:
Francis Clark
Elizabeth seems to be with them in Carnock 1861.
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I guess "Sally" on the 1841 is Sarah:
Sarah Mcanna
Marriage Date:
4 Dec 1853
Marriage Place:
Carnock,Fife,Scotland
Spouse:
Francis Clark
Elizabeth seems to be with them in Carnock 1861.
That is even more interesting Maureen as Francis Clark was a witness at the wedding of Michael Reynolds ( Hughs son in law and informant at his death) and Elizabeth McKenna
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They really are tough to find!
Do you know if the two sons (Hugh and John) survived?
Maureen
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Hi Maureen
I am afraid I dont
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I think I'm out of ideas! :)
Hopefully someone else will spot something.
Good luck,
Maureen
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Not much help with the census records but this looks a possible death for Hughs wife
1862 Scotlands People Catherine McKennan age 47 years Kilsyth other name Carlin mothers maiden name Thomson
Rosie
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I guess "Sally" on the 1841 is Sarah:
Sally and Sarah are first name variants, see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=sally
Monica
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Could this be another daughter for Hugh and Catherine in the RC Registers on SP?
MARY ANNE MCKENNA
HUGH MCKENNA/CATHERINE CAROLAN
6/7/1857
2/8/1857
Lennoxtown, St Machan's
Elizabeth's baptism in 1840 also shows mother Catherine as Carolan. You mentioned she was born in Doune/Kilmadock, but her christening shows on 26/4/1840 at Stirling, St Mary's.. There looks to have been an earlier born Elizabeth in 1838:
ELISABETH MCKENNA
HUGH MCKENNA/CATHARINE CAWLAN
17/5/1838
10/6/1838
Lennoxtown, St Machan's
And a further daughter:
CATHERINE MACKINNA
HUGH MACKINNA/CATHERINE CAROLAN
5/9/1845
28/9/1845
Stirling, St Mary's
Also, maybe connected with a different variation on mother's maiden name:
MICHAEL MCKENNA
HUGH MCKENNA/CATHERINE KERNAN
0/0/0
8/7/1854
Dunfermline, St Margaret's
In summary of possible children (some to be confirmed):
Sarah b. 1833-4
Elizabeth b. 1838
Elizabeth b. 1840
Hugh b. 1843
Catherine b. 1845
John b. 1848
Michael b. 1854
Mary Ann b. 1857
So, where are they all?!
Monica
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I wonder about this family:
Kilsyth; ED: 4; Page: 9; Line: 3 1861 census (Ancestry)
Address: Brickrow
Hugh Mckinnon 32
Catherine Mckinnon 46
John Mckinnon 12
Michel Mckinnon 7
Mary Mckinnon 3
So difficult to tell when you can't see the original image.
Maureen
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Children showing fit well with what we have potentially so far. Well done, Maureen. Could well be them.
Monica
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I guess "Sally" on the 1841 is Sarah:
Sally and Sarah are first name variants, see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=sally
Monica
I bought that death record and it says Catherine wife of Hugh a coalminer father John Carlin mother Sarah Thomson
Thanks Ladies
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That's good that was the right death the census Maureen found I would say that's the right family in Kilsyth
Rosie