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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: weeabi1999 on Thursday 21 January 21 00:27 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, thank you for opening. I've just obtained a marriage certificate from 1862 and to my bewilderment, there is no first names provided at all for the parents, only the surnames! I have attached a picture.
There is also no ages listed either which is unhelpful :(
Can anyone tell me why on earth the parents are not on it? I am so confused! ???
Also, I note that Ann Thomson, it says "Living in/with family". What does that mean?
Could anyone also decipher the "Where" part of the marriage?
I am sorry for so many questions, thank you so much in advance if you are able to help me!
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How frustrating!
I think her place is
Port of Ness, Barvas. (Isle of Lewis)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Ness
His looks like Knochard but am having trouble finding a similar place. Parish looks to be the same?
Added. Perhaps Knockaird
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockaird
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1862 February Eleventh at Manse ... South Dell (?) After Banns according to the Forms of the Free Church of Scotland.
I think the christian names and mothers’ maiden names were there, but they have faded out.
I think that ‘living in family’ simply means that she wasn’t employed and residing with folks/a family. It does seem an odd thing to say.
Jamjar
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Other marriage should be visible on this page 9. Are ages.....names of parents recorded similarly?
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I have increased the contrast of the file posted - it looks like the faint marks are bleed through from another page. Could it be the couple were orphans, with little memory of their parents?
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Of course he may not have been born in Barvas, but I see only one Norman in 1841:
086/A 2/ 7 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
Catherine 80
John 60
Christian 40
Farquhar 20
Catherine 15
Niel 15
Mary 12
Donald 8
Norman 6
Christian 2
What are the names of the children born to Norman and Ann Thomson?
Jamjar
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The place of marriage looks like "Manse Ness South Dell".
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Only 2 Ann’s in 1861 and the second can be ruled out. The first isn’t with other Thomson’s, so you need to look at the actual census.
086/A 9/ 3 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
Ann 24
086/A 8/ 22 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
Janet 80
John 42
Ann 37
Murdo 12
Donald 9
John 7
Norman 0
Jamjar
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The place of marriage looks like "Manse Ness South Dell".
The manse: https://www.buildingsatrisk.org.uk/details/891065
Jamjar
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The islands were known for 'Homers' being sent there from the mainland, usually Glasgow & surrounding areas although it may not be the case here?
Norman's usual residence is Knockard, Barvas.
Witnesses John Morrison & Flora A MacRae
Annie
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Could this be children for the couple ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q8a/
Might help with later information.
ev
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I'll move this to Ross & Cromarty.
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Goodness, I didn't expect so many replies overnight! Thank you all, much appreciated. I will start working my way through your replies now :)
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Location seems correct.
The other marriages on the page were recorded normally with the parents names etc, I do not think that the names have faded as I note another user helpfully posted the 'contrasted' image. I suppose they both could have been orphans but it seems unlikely that they both did not know their parents? More research needed!
Thank you for the census information, I am going to get on to that next.
I only know one of their children who is my ancestor. Her name is Christina "Christy" Morrison, nee Maclean. She was born around 1871.
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Could this be children for the couple ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q8a/
Might help with later information.
ev
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I'll move this to Ross & Cromarty.
I thought we had it but Christina, their daughter who is my ancestor, is not listed there! :(
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1871 Census, Norman Mclean second from top
I believe I may have found the census for the family in 1871. The writing is very hard for me to read as I am not experienced with reading these old documents.
It lists Norman as 36 years old, Ann (I think??) as 35, a daughter who is 19 and what to me looks like "Christy" or "Christina" aged 2.
Can anyone help? You are all so brilliant, thank you so much.
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Does anyone need me to post the file in a different format or should i crop it and post as an image? Not sure if that PDF is easy to read!
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Another version attached just in case!
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I thought we had it but Christina, their daughter who is my ancestor, is not listed there!
One of the children listed is -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ43-5FF
ev
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NORMAN MACLEAN ANN THOMSON Marriage. 1862 Barvas
In 1861 on SP with sister Christy age 21.
MCLEAN NORMAND 1861 M 24 086/A 3/ 19 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
In 1851 (freereg) he is 14 living with his elder brother Neil, noted as Head, two other siblings and his mother Christy age 52, a widow.
On 1861 SP census there are three Ann’s one age 12 & one 37 and the one below who was not living with other Thomson’s
THOMSON ANN 1861 F 24 086/A 9/ 3 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
However she is on the 1851 (Freereg) with her parents Donald & Henrietha & 6 siblings, transcribed as Tomson.
Might be worth a look?
Colin
PS - Sorry I may have repeated some earlier posts.
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I thought we had it but Christina, their daughter who is my ancestor, is not listed there!
One of the children listed is -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ43-5FF
ev
Yes, that is a male called Christian though ;D
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NORMAN MACLEAN ANN THOMSON Marriage. 1862 Barvas
In 1861 on SP with sister Christy age 21.
MCLEAN NORMAND 1861 M 24 086/A 3/ 19 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
In 1851 (freereg) he is 14 living with his elder brother Neil, noted as Head, two other siblings and his mother Christy age 52, a widow.
On 1861 SP census there are three Ann’s one age 12 & one 37 and the one below who was not living with other Thomson’s
THOMSON ANN 1861 F 24 086/A 9/ 3 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
However she is on the 1851 (Freereg) with her parents Donald & Henrietha & 6 siblings, transcribed as Tomson.
Might be worth a look?
Colin
PS - Sorry I may have repeated some earlier posts.
Thank you for the information! What is freereg?
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https://www.hebrideanconnections.com/people/110648
Found them!!
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Death for Ann Thomson/McLean which may also name her parents...
THOMSON ANN 55 - 1894 - 086/A 48 Barvas (Ross & Cromarty)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ43-5FF
Yes, that is a male called Christian though ;D
The child in the link is female, Christian is a variant of Christina
Annie
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Yes, that is a male called Christian though
I think the male at the top of the record refers to father Norman , it has female lower down as per Catherine's record -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ43-KMX
Of course the only real proof will be the birth certificate.
ev
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Thank you for the information! What is freereg?
Slight mistake on my part.
https://www.freecen.org.uk - covers most areas of GB for some census years.
https://www.freereg.org.uk - covers some BMD in most areas of UK.
Colin
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Death for Ann Thomson/McLean which may also name her parents...
THOMSON ANN 55 - 1894 - 086/A 48 Barvas (Ross & Cromarty)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ43-5FF
Yes, that is a male called Christian though ;D
The child in the link is female, Christian is a variant of Christina
Annie
I've got her death certificate, thank you! Have attached it.Her parents are confirmed as Donald and Henrietta Thomson. But what is Henrietta's maiden name? I can't make it out.
Also, what is the cause of death? Am I seeing the word 'suicidal' there?
Also, the informant appears to have been her grandson. What is his name? ???
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Morrison ?
Drowning , supposed to have been suicidal.
Cameron Mc ?
ev
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Henrietta's maiden name is MORRISON.
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I think the grandson is Cameron McLean.
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The RCE may provide further details of the cause of death.
Istrice