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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: Dannemois on Friday 19 March 21 15:22 GMT (UK)
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Researching Adam Barclay, occupation baker, married to Janet Bett who were living West Calder from at least 1881. In 1901, they resided at 26 Kirkgate with their family of four daughters - Jean, Helen, Mary and Elizabeth and a son George. Adam died in 1908, the following year three Memory notices in the Midlothian Advertiser 6 Feb 1909, p4 inserted by his widow, one by his daughter Annie and another by his daughter Mrs Scott.
The death of his widow Janet Allan Bett, was reported in the Midlothian Advertiser, 12 November 1909, p4.
Any details appreciated
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Hi ,
Have you tried the Scotlandspeople website ?
The indexes are free to search.
Marriage , Mary Ann Barclay / Robert Skirving Scott , 1909 Leith South Midlothian ?
Marriage , Adam Barclay / Jessie Bett , 1874 Fife.
2 possible Barclay deaths for young children in the 1880's West Calder , mother's Maiden surname Bett(SP making progress in adding maiden names).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXV-4XY
ev
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Hello EV
Thanks for your reply. I regularly use the Scotlandpeople website and I purchased the Adam Barclay/Jessie Bett marriage certificate earlier today. Now trying to learn what happened to the children after the death of their parents in 1909.
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There is a Michigan US Naturalization Record for a George Barclay birth date 21 September 1900
West Calder Scotland arrival date 3 July 1922 New York
Immigration record for George Barclay age 21 Occupation railway servant name of nearest relative Miss Helen Mackay 22 Kirkgate West Calder Scotland ..I think this is a mistake a
Marriage for a Ellen Bett Barclay 1912 West Calder to a George Mackay Scotland's people
He was going to a sister Miss Jean Barclay 300 Lincoln Road Grease Pt Michigan
Arrival date 3 July 1922
Departure Liverpool
Ship Baltic
Rosie
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Marriage for George Barclay age 27 born Scotland
Spouse Helen Stewart
Marriage date 28 April 1928 Detroit Wayne Michigan
Father Adam Barclay
Mother Janet Bett
Rosie
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US social.security index
George Barclay
Birth date 21 September 1900
Death date 29 July 1989
You will find some records for George Barclay on familysearch.org
Rosie
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Death for Jean Howden Barclay 1962 George Square age 75 years
Findagrave Jean Howden Barclay
Birth date 2 November 1886
Died 14 October 1962
Burial Morningside Cemetery Edinburgh
US Naturalization Records
Jean Howden Barclay
Birth date 2 November 1886 West Calder Scotland
Arrival 11 March 1919 New York
Possible record for Jean H Barclay arrival UK 10 April 1948 gives her address as
62 Colinton Mains Drive Edinburgh
Rosie
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Hi Rosie
Thank you so much for the details, excellent results. I appreciate your time and help.
Best wishes
Roy
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Possible marriage for a Elizabeth Alan Barclay 1912 West Calder
Spouse Robert Tervit Skea ( Scotland's people)
Death for a Elizabeth Alan Skea other name Barclay 1972 Bellshill Lanarkshire
Rosie
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Hi Rosie
I thought you would appreciate feed-back. Just to say I downloaded cert from Scotlandspeople site and the marriage for Elizabeth Allan Barclay and Robert Tivert Skea is correct. His parents were named Duncan Skea and Helen m.s. Tivert
Best wishes
Roy (Dannemois)
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That's good Roy glad it was the right marriage good luck with the rest of your research ;)
Rosie
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Hello Sandra, gosh you have been busy but unfortunately this Helen B Barclay is NOT in my family. My Helen B Barclay is the daughter of Adam Barclay and Janet (Jeanie) Bett born about 1890 in West Calder, Edinburgh, Scotland.
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Have you found Helen ? This one was born in Edinburgh according to the obit. Looking at the births for the period 1888 - 1890 only 2 Helen with the letter "B" as a middle initial - one was Glasgow (1888) and the other Kirknewton and East Calder (1889)
Would not be uncommon for dependant or informant to not know the exact name of parents, especially if there had been no contact ?
Sandra
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Sandra ..Helen married George Mackay see reply 3 ..1912 West Calder Scotland
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie. Have deleted (I think) I was convinced the informant had given slight mis-information with names.
Having a problem typing at the moment - perhaps the batteries need replace. (I know mine do :))
Thanks again
Sandra
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Thanks Rosie. Have deleted (I think) I was convinced the informant had given slight mis-information with names.
Having a problem typing at the moment - perhaps the batteries need replace. (I know mine do :))
Thanks again
Sandra
Think we are all the same just now Sandra :) will be glad when we all get back to some normality
Rosie
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Just had news for our 2 nd jab so that is good. Will still be airing on the side of caution.
How are you doing in Scotland with the jabs ?
Watch with trepidation to see if we have lost any rootschatters over the last 12 months. Think there was a lady on Northumberland but don't think that was covid. A few missing names :)
Lucky Nicola Sturgeon today......
Sandra
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Hubby gets second jag April he had a bit of a reaction to his first so will be prepared for his second one ..I'm just waiting on my date for second jag ..vaccine going well here that's them doing the age 50 group now ..Yes good news for Nicola :)
Rosie
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Hello Rosie and Sandra
Having downloaded the marriage certificate from Scotlandspeople, I can now confirm that Helen (Ellen) Bett Barclay married George MacKay at 22 Kirkgate, West Calder, on 21 June 1912. One of the Witnesses to the marriage was Mary Ann Barclay, Helen's sister. He was the son of James MacKay, fisherman, and wife Jessie MacKay, maiden surname, also Mackay.
Note: witness Mary Ann Barclay is I believe Mrs. Annie Scott but as of yet I have NOT found the marriage.
Regards, Roy
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Hi Roy did you check the marriage eve mentioned
Mary Ann Barclay
Robert Skirving Scott
1909 leith South ?
Rosie
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Hi Rosie, yes I did download the certificate but it was NOT my Mary Ann Barclay. So I am still looking for Mary A Barclay (Mrs. Annie Scott)
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That's a pity will have a look later :)
Rosie
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There is a death for a Mary Ann Isbist other name Donaldson died 1980 Morningside age 87 mothers maiden name Bett
Marriage Mary Ann Barclay
Spouse John Donaldson
Marriage 1920 West Calder
Rosie
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SP index lists her as Mary Ann Isbist... Barclay, other surname Donaldson, 87, mother's maiden surname Bett.
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I did see the marriage to Donaldson but was put off purchasing the certificate. The newspaper snippet dated 1909 shows a notice by wife and family, another by daughter Annie and third by daughter Mrs. Scott. I presume that Mary Ann is Annie, so who is Mrs. Scott?????.
I downloaded the marriage to Donaldson this morning and it is the correct one, Mary Ann is the daughter of Adam Barclay and Janet (Bett).
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Just downloaded a death for Janet Allan Scott other name Barclay
She died 23 December 1954 West Calder married to James Scott ( coal bagger retired)
Father Adam Barclay
Mother Janet Bett
Record on global grave stones
I also got the marriage for Janet Allan Barclay 1897 West Calder to a John Scott Crosser
Parents Adam Barclay Janet Bett
I can not see another marriage to a James Scott so far or a death for a John Scott Crosser?
PM me your e-mail address if you want these certificates
Rosie
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SP index lists her as Mary Ann Isbist... Barclay, other surname Donaldson, 87, mother's maiden surname Bett.
Thanks typo error have amended ;)
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1901 census address 30 Main Street West Calder
John S Crosser age 29 born Old Monkland ( shale miner drawer )
Janet S Crosser age 25 born West Calder
Adam D B Crosser age 6 born West Calder
Janet A B Crosser age 7 months born West Calder
On Adam Barclay Scott army record 1915 he has his mother down next of kin as Mrs James Scott
12 ,Kirkgate West Calder .
1911 census the family are listed as Scott might be worth a view
Adam and Janet marry under the name of Scott
Rosie
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Hi Rosie
I've sent a PM message
Many thanks for your help.
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Possible death for a James Scott 1960 in Surrey he is on the Electoral Roll Records with daughter
Janet A B Warrender and her husband Thomas ..
Rosie
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Well done Rosie - still recharging my batteries :) :)
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra I was just curious ;D
Rosie
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Hi Rosie
I have not forgotten I owe you a reply, I've been working on the Barclay's via Scotlandspeople site and I have had some success and I need to do some more research before I write an answer to you.
Best wishes
Roy
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Hi Rosie
I have not forgotten I owe you a reply, I've been working on the Barclay's via Scotlandspeople site and I have had some success and I need to do some more research before I write an answer to you.
Best wishes
Roy
I think I owed you a reply from your e-mail I was having some problems with my internet glad you are making progress with the Barclay family
Rosie
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Using the Scotlandspeople website I have followed my great grandfather George Barclay through the censuses. He was born in 1853 in Duddingston to John and Helen Barclay. The family had moved to Dalkeith by 1861 where his mother died two weeks after the census recorded. In 1871, I find him listed as boarder in the household of his elder brother John Barclay and his family at Dee Street, West Calder. George married 28 Jan 1874 to Euphemia Pilley at the Manse, West Calder. In 1881, George & Euphemia were at 22 Breadalbane Street, St. Cuthberts, with son William aged 6 and daughters Margaret (4) and Euphemia (1). For the next two decades (1891 and 1901), they lived at 186 Boddington Road, Leith, with additions to the family, namely, George born 1883, Helen 1885, Alexander 1887, Jane 1890, Robert 1895 and Mary 1897. By 1911, they had moved to Anderson Place, South Leith. George was then aged 58, Euphemia (54) and at home were son Robert (16) and Mary (14).
I next attempted to locate the death certificates for my great grandparents George and Euphemia Barclay m.s. Pilley but I have failed to do so and I would appreciate any help with this.
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A possibility Euphemia Barclay other name Pilley death Kelso age 76years 1933 worth checking out to see and it will let you know if she is widowed
Rosie
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Euphemia Pilley or Barclay died in Kelso in 1933 aged 76.
Edit: crossed with Rosie's reply with the same information.
There are six deaths after 1911 of George Barclays born 1852 plus or minus two years. The most likely one died in Edinburgh George Square in 1931 aged 78.
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Thank you, much appreciated.
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Can I ask where did you see other name Pilley; it does not show on Scotlandspeople site. Please do not think I am doubting you, just trying to educate myself.
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If you search the deaths 1933 put in Euphemia Barclay you will see other surname and put in
Pilley the death will come up ..And just to make sure just put Euphemia death year 1933 age 76 district Roxburgh kelso and the death will come up under both surnames
Rosie
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One of their sons Alexander Barclay immigrated
Arrival date 16 February 1910
New York USA
Ship California
Last address 186 Bonnington Road
Marriage 11 June 1910 Holyoke Massachusetts
Spouse Annie Jack
Parents George Barclay Euphemie Pilley
Death Alexander pilley Barclay
1933 Holyoke Massachusetts
Burial /Cremation www.findagrave.com
Rosie
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Thank you for Alexander's details.
Rosie, I am pleased to say the death for Euphemia is correct and the certificate written in beautiful hand except for one detail, daughter Jane's surname.
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Death for Jane Howden Barclay 1962 St Boswells age 73 other name Middlemass
Rosie
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Brilliant; thank you Rosie.
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Euphemia Pilley or Barclay died in Kelso in 1933 aged 76.
Edit: crossed with Rosie's reply with the same information.
There are six deaths after 1911 of George Barclays born 1852 plus or minus two years. The most likely one died in Edinburgh George Square in 1931 aged 78.
Just to say I've downloaded the death certificate for George Barclay suggested above and pleased to say it is my great-great-grandfather so many thanks for your help.
Best wishes
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That's good it was your relation ;)
Rosie
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1901 census address 30 Main Street West Calder
John S Crosser age 29 born Old Monkland ( shale miner drawer )
Janet S Crosser age 25 born West Calder
Adam D B Crosser age 6 born West Calder
Janet A B Crosser age 7 months born West Calder
On Adam Barclay Scott army record 1915 he has his mother down next of kin as Mrs James Scott
12 ,Kirkgate West Calder .
Hello Rosie
Just checking before I place an order for Adam Barclay Scott's army record-will I receive all his army records?
1911 census the family are listed as Scott might be worth a view
Adam and Janet marry under the name of Scott
Rosie
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Hi Roy I will e-mail the army records to you
Rosie