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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: Max2121 on Saturday 12 February 22 19:44 GMT (UK)
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Hello all,
My grandmother was Honoria/Norah Colligan her parents were Michael Colligan and Mary Morrison of Ballymote County Sligo.
I have been searching through records online and find the family in the 1901 and 1911 census.
While looking at records on Ancestry I see a few court records for Mary Colligan for either assaulting people or as a defendant she is down as a married woman.
What are the odds this is likely to be my great grandmother is there any way I could try and find out.
I am also trying to find details of Michael and Mary's parentage their fathers are Pat Colligan and Michael Morrison. If anyone could possibly point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated.
Thank you for reading this.
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Yes, it certainly looks to be her. There are some references which give the address as Newtown as 1901. Also other persons mentioned are Morrison.
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Thank you so much I did kind of think it must be but didn't want to jump to conclusions.
Thank you for your quick response
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This is a useful site - free but you sign in. It has civil records.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
You know about the Irish census site.
This is the Catholic parish and has some church records. Ancestry and Find my Past have indexes otherwise it is a trawl through the records.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0121
You can look for birth records post 1864 on Irish genealogy - above.
Added 13th February
I have just removed a large text where I thought I might have found Mary’s family in the censuses.
I have now revisited the marriage certificate and see that her father Michael was deceased so the previously posted info was wrong.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11056/8044982.pdf
Thomas Morrisson was a witness so that could help.
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Thank you Heywood, for the information, I did see the original text just before I went to sleep last night but thought I would reply this morning.
I do have her in the 1901 and 1911 census with her family so that's all good.
I will look up Thomas as you suggest and see what I can find, you did mention her mother was Hanoria/Honoria Kivil/Kevil who I know some people have in their trees so that is fantastic that you have seen the record for that.
I have only seen a birth record for a Mary Morrison born 1867 Sligo, this fits with her age in the 1911 census but it didn't mention her mother so at least I am a step further on.
Thank you so much for your time I appreciate it, will see if I can find anything on Michael Colligan and his father Pat.
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Here is that Mary Morrison’s birth with mother Honor Kevil.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03485/2281292.pdf
I thought it so good but then there is the census records in Carrownacreevy :-\
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Thank you for sharing that is amazing to see and finally have the names and dates.
I am just looking at it and having a little trouble with the writing, can you make out the place name ? Part of it looks like Keash but I can't be sure or make out the first name beginning with C.
Having a look at a map of the area to see if anything leaps out.
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I agree Keash
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caves_of_Kesh
I think it reads Carrowcreeva /Carroncreeva which is possibly Carrownacreevy
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/corran/toomour/bricklieve/carrownacreevy/
This then goes back to the censuses where Michael,and Honoria are alive in 1901 with a daughter Mary. :-\
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Thank you and doesn't it get more confusing as when she married her father was deceased?
Just going through those microfilms you sent me the link for and there do seem to be a few Morrisons.
What would be the chances of the family having parents with the same first names though?
We always have Michaels in our family it was my dad's name after his grandad Michael Colligan, also my son's name and my nephew's middle name. Honoria a bit more unusual but also my grandmother's name obviously after Honoria Kevil.
Just looking through the microfilm for marriages to try and find then and think I may have come across my Michael Colligan's parent marriage, I know his father was Pat Colligan and there is a marriage between a Patrick Colligan and Mary Davy 1843 (Not the strongest link I know )
anyway just thought I would add that in
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Yes there are a lot of Morrisons.
I am just looking for clues.
The marriage witness was Thomas Morrisson.
There are a couple of skirmishes between Michael and Mary Colligan and Thomas Morrison of Newtown, Ballymote.
26th March 1896, Thomas v Michael and Mary, the witnesses are Thomas (presumably the complainant) and Bt Morrison (Bridget, I assume).
1901?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Ballymote/Newtown_Street/1679483/
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20th April 1882
1) Anne Sharkey Complainant - Biddy Morrison, widow, Defendant - Trespass
2) Anne Sharkey Complainant - Mary Colligan, defendant - assault/threats
All of Ballymote
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What a "colourful" family I seem to have, when my grandmother married my grandad and moved to his hometown in Wales I heard that she also saw off a couple of blokes, one a fairground boxer her son had got into the ring with to earn a few bob was on the receiving end of her wrath after she dragged her son out by his ear.
I did see the various court records with Thomas Morrison and wondered if this may have been a family member.
I see in the census linked with Brigit Morrison do you think she maybe a sister in law of Michael Morrison, was Thomas a cousin?
Thanks again you are both being so helpful.
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Not sure at all re the relationships.
I have tried looking for a marriage for Bridget? To Mr Morrison and a birth for Thomas with a mother Bridget but not found yet.
I wondered if your Mary was a daughter to Bridget and sister to Thomas perhaps.
I have similar court records re family and neighbours - drunkenness/threats/allowing animals to trespass etc - lots of squabbling and pettiness really. A hard life, I suppose.
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Yes life must have been hard, I know they were labourers so must have been unbelievably tough and no doubt drink was an escape pretty much as it is for some folk nowadays.
Mary was the daughter of Honoria Kevil and Michael Morrison as far as we now know but no doubt there were many cousins I would imagine.
I have been looking through the microfilm for a record of a marriage between Honoria Kevil and a Michael Morrison no luck with that but did come across a marriage between 2 people with those names married in Boyle Roscommon, not too far away from Keash (Keash was in the birth entry for Mary Morrison) this was in 1855.
Maybe a lead there who knows
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I am doubting that Mary is the daughter of Honoria Kevil. That Mary is still shown on 1901 census. It might be an error but then why are other married children not shown? Unless they were deceased, I suppose.
Unfortunately, the earlier parish records are transcribed and have few details. Additionally, Ancestry have only indexed by first names.
Here is a marriage for Michael Morrison and Bridget Walsh in February 1852.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632303#page/90/mode/1up
There are baptisms, Thomas, 1857; Margaret 1858; John 1860 all with father Michael, of Ballymote. Sadly, no mother’s name , no Mary and no Godparents.
Not much help really. Maybe concentrate on the Colligans for a while. :)
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I think that marriage you found would be the one. Wasn’t Honoria born Roscommon in the census?
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I was going by the link showing a Mary Morrison born to Michael Morrison and Honor Kevil .
I will look again at the census for the Roscommon link.
Thank goodness you are there by the way
Incidentally my DNA ethnicity has Roscommon as the area it matches more closely but I do know that it is constantly evolving so no sense in jumping to conclusions I would think, just wanted to mention it.
Yes it is Roscommon Honora's place of birth according to the census.
We have a marriage between Honoria Kevil and Michael Morrison in Roscommon
We have a daughter born to Michael Morrison (farmer) and Honoria Kevil just outside Ballymote at Keash (looks like Carrownacreevy but not 100%)
We have the 1911 census showing Honoria as a widow and farmer just outside Ballymote in Carrownacreevy birthplace Roscommon.
My only problem is it says on the census (1901) that Mary is there as an unmarried woman when my Mary Morrison had married in 1879. Could my problem be the marriage between Mary and Michael Colligan?
Also if this is the right Mary Morrison b to Michael and Honoria in 1867 could she really have married in 1879?
Seems a tad young or was there a very young minimum age?
Actually just looked at the record and it says she was full age.
I am wondering if I need to start from scratch again as am getting in a right pickle.
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I think I will take your advice and try and look at the Colligans.
Michael Colligan aged 46 in the 1901 and 1911 census!
Here we go again, marriage between Michael Colligan and Mary Morrison 1879 Ballymote, both full age.
His father Pat and hers Michael both deceased.
I do know Michael's wife was a Morrison as was on my grannies b/c
Wish me luck
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Just come back if you need help searching - we might be lucky :)
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Thank you I really appreciate that, hopefully I will make sense at some point of the Morrisons.
Don't go far ha ha
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Here I am again, I thought I would have one more try with the Morrison family,
So marriage in 1879 to Michael Colligan, (Ballymote) Mary Morrison is said to be full age which doesn't fit with the Mary Morrison I thought was correct born in 1867.
All I know for sure is her father was Michael Morrison.
Any tips at all?
I am at a loss really as to how to proceed.
Thank you once again for your time reading this.
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New thread about marriage of Mary Morrison & Michael Colligan, for attention of new contributors.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=860340.0
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Here is that Mary Morrison’s birth with mother Honor Kevil.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03485/2281292.pdf
I thought it so good but then there is the census records in Carrownacreevy :-\
I've been looking at birth registrations for children of Michael Morrison & Honor (Kevil) and at 1901 census.
Birth registrations of siblings of that Mary Morrison include Honor 1870 and Margaret 1873.
Possible relevant death registrations:
1902 Michael age 85 informant Catherine Morrison, daughter
1907 Honor aged 33, informant Catherine Morrison, sister
1918 Honoria aged 88, informant Catherine Morrison daughter
All registered Ballymote, Sligo
I couldn't decipher residence on the birth and death registrations. It began with C.
All the above names were on the 1901 census return for household of Michael Morrison & wife Hanoria at Carrownacreevy.
Michael Morrison age 72
Hanoria 70
Catherine 35
Mary 26
Hanoria 24
Maggie 22
Michael O'Connor age 18 grandson
If it was the family of Michael Morrison and Honor Kevil, ages of daughters were a few years off. Mary should have been 33/4, Hanoria or Honor 30/1, Maggie 27/8. Birth order was correct. No birth registration in or anywhere near Sligo district for Catherine. She was probably born before civil birth registration.
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Yes there are a lot of Morrisons.
I am just looking for clues.
The marriage witness was Thomas Morrisson.
There are a couple of skirmishes between Michael and Mary Colligan and Thomas Morrison of Newtown, Ballymote.
26th March 1896, Thomas v Michael and Mary, the witnesses are Thomas (presumably the complainant) and Bt Morrison (Bridget, I assume).
1901?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Ballymote/Newtown_Street/1679483/
The Michael Morrison on 1901 census probably died later that year. Informant of death was Thomas Morrison, step-brother.
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I doubted that family (Hanoria) earlier for the reasons given - Mary Morrison Colligan has father Michael as deceased on her marriage in 1879.
The only death I can see before the marriage for Michael Morrison is 1872 - a 75 yr old widower - pauper in the workhouse - Sligo.
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The Michael Morrison on 1901 census probably died later that year. Informant of death was Thomas Morrison, step-brother.
Yes I saw that and he is the informant on his mother Bridget’s death.
As I mention on the other thread in 1870, Michael Morrison and his daughter Mary are also mentioned together in an assault.
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Thank you once again for your valuable time
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The Michael Morrison on 1901 census probably died later that year. Informant of death was Thomas Morrison, step-brother.
Yes I saw that and he is the informant on his mother Bridget’s death.
As I mention on the other thread in 1870, Michael Morrison and his daughter Mary are also mentioned together in an assault.
Just spotted another record (1881) with both Mary Colligan and Biddy Morrison on both as defendants. It does state Biddy as a widow which could tie in with Michael down as deceased on his daughter's marriage record in 1879
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Not sure at all re the relationships.
I have tried looking for a marriage for Bridget? To Mr Morrison and a birth for Thomas with a mother Bridget but not found yet.
I wondered if your Mary was a daughter to Bridget and sister to Thomas perhaps.
I have similar court records re family and neighbours - drunkenness/threats/allowing animals to trespass etc - lots of squabbling and pettiness really. A hard life, I suppose.
Found a marriage between Michael Morrison and Bridget Walsh Feb 24th 1852. Also found two baptisms, one for Thomas May 1857 and one for John June 1860 both with Michael as father but unfortunately no mothers name. (Records were found on the NLI site)
Have seen the court records with co defendants Biddy Morrison and Mary Colligan. I does seem to be taking shape but still after the elusive birth record for Mary.
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Unfortunately, the earlier parish records are transcribed and have few details. Additionally, Ancestry have only indexed by first names.
Here is a marriage for Michael Morrison and Bridget Walsh in February 1852.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632303#page/90/mode/1up
There are baptisms, Thomas, 1857; Margaret 1858; John 1860 all with father Michael, of Ballymote. Sadly, no mother’s name , no Mary and no Godparents.
Here is my earlier post re that family. Baptisms begin in 1856 for Emlefad. So there were a few years between marriage and Thomas’ birth for other children’s births.
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Unfortunately, the earlier parish records are transcribed and have few details. Additionally, Ancestry have only indexed by first names.
Here is a marriage for Michael Morrison and Bridget Walsh in February 1852.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632303#page/90/mode/1up
There are baptisms, Thomas, 1857; Margaret 1858; John 1860 all with father Michael, of Ballymote. Sadly, no mother’s name , no Mary and no Godparents.
oops sorry I thought I had a eureka moment, apologies
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Sorry, I clicked the wrong button ::)
I have added to my post re the gap 1852 - 1857
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Just been looking at the court records, quite an amount they have racked up between them all. The fact that Biddy and Mary seem to be a tag team may suggest the family link would you think?
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Would it be a remote possibility that Margaret and Mary are one and the same?
Just wondering as I can't seem to find any other record (yet) of Margaret Morrison
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Would it be a remote possibility that Margaret and Mary are one and the same?
Just wondering as I can't seem to find any other record (yet) of Margaret Morrison
It's possible.
There was a Margaret Morrison baptism 1858 found by heywood reply 14.
As for Mary, I suspect her baptism was before the start of the baptism register. If her mother was Bridget Walsh there was time for a few births between marriage and birth of Thomas (heywood reply 29).
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Agreeing with Maiden Stone and if Margaret died in childhood, there would be no record.
I love the idea of the tag team ;)
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So out of 10 what are the chances that Bridget is the mother of Mary.
Given the amount of Mary and Biddy's shenanigans,
Mary having Michael as a father and a Michael Morrison marrying a Bridget
Plus the added bonus of a Thomas Morrison, son of Michael, Biddy being a witness at Thomas' court appearances and a Thomas Morrison as witness at Mary and Michael Colligan's wedding.
I am so grateful you are there to put up with my ramblings so thank you all once again.
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I don't suppose they bought dog licences? Changes in the person buying dog licences for my granddad's family from when they were introduced in 1860s until 20th century match deaths of the leaseholder/owner of the family farm. Looking at the dog licence lists for 1 year, I noticed that GGF, his brother-in-law + a neighbour all bought licences on the same day, may have gone together to town on market-day or one of them was tasked with buying licences for them all.
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I don't suppose they bought dog licences? Changes in the person buying dog licences for my granddad's family from when they were introduced in 1860s until 20th century match deaths of the leaseholder/owner of the family farm. Looking at the dog licence lists for 1 year, I noticed that GGF, his brother-in-law + a neighbour all bought licences on the same day, may have gone together to town on market-day or one of them was tasked with buying licences for them all.
I don't know but will look into that, thank you
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I never thought of using the dog licence information in that way.
There is also a mention of Michael Morrison and his daughter Mary in one of their skirmishes -was it 1870 - before her marriage.
I have mentioned it somewhere.
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I never thought of using the dog licence information in that way.
There is also a mention of Michael Morrison and his daughter Mary in one of their skirmishes -was it 1870 - before her marriage.
I have mentioned it somewhere.
Yes that's right, she married in 1879
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So out of 10 what are the chances that Bridget is the mother of Mary.
Given the amount of Mary and Biddy's shenanigans,
Mary having Michael as a father and a Michael Morrison marrying a Bridget
Plus the added bonus of a Thomas Morrison, son of Michael, Biddy being a witness at Thomas' court appearances and a Thomas Morrison as witness at Mary and Michael Colligan's wedding.
I am so grateful you are there to put up with my ramblings so thank you all once again.
Little update have been looking at the birth records for my Granny's aunts and uncles and find most of them have their mother Mary (Morrison) Colligan as informant, however I find what must be the record for her first child has Biddy Morrison as present at birth. I know it isn't 100% but when added to everything else it does seem convincing
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It certainly does look very likely/positive.
There may always be some doubt I suppose but hopefully Biddy is the answer. :)
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Thank you again everyone for all your help, no doubt there will be more questions in the future :)