RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: blennerhassett on Thursday 06 October 22 14:28 BST (UK)
-
Beauclere William Henry Crozier (Bill) born Newtownbutler Fermanagh (Clones Union) 1910. Emirated to New Zealand via London Nov. 1948. From a prominent Feramanagh family with a history including the High Sherriff of Fermanagh, JPs, and very high ranking clergy. Anything on his schooling and occupation until his leaving Ireland would be great.
-
Anything on his schooling and occupation until his leaving Ireland would be great.
Hello BLENNERHASSETT
... you say ... "until leaving Ireland" ... and yet you have posted your request on the New Zealand board ??
I'm thinking that the information you seek, is more likely to be forthcoming from one of the Ireland RootsChat boards.
If you contact one of the Moderators here via the Personal messaging sytem, then they would be able to transfer your request to a suitable board. :)
~ Lu
-
Hi again
Perhaps you may already have info about his time in New Zealand ?
The electoral rolls show that he lived in Palmerston North (North Island) from 1954 until his death in 1989, with occupations being "a floor sander" and in 1978 "a cleaner".
His headstone (and a photo) can be found at the findagrave.com site .... search on "Kelvin Grove cemetery + Palmerston North + New Zealand"
~ Lu
-
If not your contribution there may be something here.......
https://www.geni.com/people/Beauclerc-Bill-William-Crozier/6000000008361673927
Minniehaha.
-
Thanks to Lucy2. I'm new to this and clearly i've messed up. I was trying to find informatio on his life in Ireland.
-
Welcome to Rootschat.
A Moderator will move your quest for assistance to the Irish board.
All the best, and feel free to come back to the friendly NZ board, if you would like assistance with any NZ research.
Alan.
PS 8/10/2022 Post edited to reflect the move.
-
Here's the Crozier family in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Mullynagowan/Gortraw/513143/ (listed as Beauclerc)
Born Gortraw not Newtownbutler (listed as Beauclerk)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01569/1632822.pdf
Father John George Crozier died 1932, mother Jessie Florence (nee Staples) later-
Crozier John George of Gortra Newtownbutler county Fermanagh farmer died 29 November 1932 Probate Londonderry 21 June to Jessie Florence Crozier the widow. Effects £161 5s. 10d.A W/A D.B.N. D.R. 3.11.69
Their marriage lists Jessie's residence as Gortra-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10044/5653570.pdf
Lots in Irish newspapers about the couple being found guilty of manslaughter- here's one example-
Newry Reporter, 19 Dec.1912: THE CROZIER TRIAL. PRISONERS FOUND GUILTY. SENTENCE DEFERRED. Yesterday the trial of John George Crozier, J.P., and his second wife, Jessie Florence Crozier, of Gortra House, Newtownbutler, Co. Fermanagh, on the charge of manslaughter of John Spencer ... [he was sentanced to 5 years penal servitude & she to 12 years]
-
Daughter Helen, aged 14 at the time, testified at the trail. Parents also accused of neglect of Helena and her younger brother George (they and the deceased John all children from 1st marriage). At the trial it was mentioned that Helena and George were in the County Hospital since brother John's death but someone, perhaps relatives?, must have been looking after the youngest children at this time.
Custody of Helena and George was given to their mother's sister, Mrs. Geraldine Helena Hayward of Hampstead, West London.
-
Here is the death of Marian Georgiana Crozier on 5/3/1906, the mother of the older children
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05561/4560916.pdf
and of her son John on 2/10/1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05350/4490352.pdf
Some details of other members of the family.
https://www.geni.com/people/Marian-Crozier/6000000009728901979
-
Some details of other members of the family.
https://www.geni.com/people/Marian-Crozier/6000000009728901979
I notice a bit of incorrect information here, possibly caused by person selecting options from a drop down menu or auto-fill.
https://www.geni.com/people/Geraldine-Winder-Hayward/6000000031972768924?through=6000000009728901979
Geraldine was the aunt given custody of her sisters two surviving children, Helena & George.
"She lived at Goudar Gardens, West Hampstead, New York. During the trial she lived with Helena Hayward, 90c Fordwych Rd, Hampstead, London."
While there is a West Hampstead in Long Island, N.Y. Geraldine didn't live there. Obviously some confusing between that and Hampstead in London.
-
It would be nice if you were also to acknowledge all the information found on this other thread for you-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=866437.msg7368828#msg7368828
It is always kind of people to respond, and I am always indebted. However no reply has as yet answered the question I posed.
A 'thank you' for all the details posted here would have been polite but since you are not happy with the responses then I won't bother posting the additional information I found which would partly answer your original query.
-
Father John George Crozier died 1932, mother Jessie Florence (nee Staples) later-
In addition to aghadowey's finds, this was likely to be the death of Jessie Crozier.
GRONI online - https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Jessie Crozier 13th November 1964 83 Female Enniskillen
FindAGrave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187465050/jessie-florence-crozier
From FreeBMD - https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Birth Jul-Sep 1880
STAPLES Jessie Florence St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 414
-
There is a talk about the "Crozier Case" by the Lisnaskea Historical Society, next Monday 20 February 2023 at the Castle Park Centre at 8pm.
More details on their Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/OldLisnaskeaPastPresent/