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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: kimmit on Thursday 08 December 22 02:40 GMT (UK)
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In need of help please
I am looking for the burial for Thomas Skudder b 29 June 1832 England D 4 March 1909 Astley Canterbury New Zealand. I have found his funeral notice from the Lyttelton Times 8th March 1909 page 12 which states he was buried Tuesday 9th March 1909 COE Cem Rangiora, but they the cemetery can not fin either Thomas or his wife Hannah there any suggestions or help very much appreciated. Many thanks Kim
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Hi Kim,
His death certificate will confirm his date and place of burial and the name of the funeral director.
The latter's records might still be held by the same company if still in business, or if they were bought out at some point by the new business.
Regards,
Spades
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There is a certified copy of the death certificate as a public photo on Ancestry. It has the place of burial as Church of England Cemetery Rangiora. ???
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Hi Maddy,
Does it give the name of the funeral director?
Spades
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Just double checked, but unfortunately no.
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Is this where you looked?
Rangiora Methodist
Church Cemetery
156 Ashley Street, Rangiora,
Canterbury
Administered by the Rangiora Methodist
Parish. Early Methodist burials also in
East Belt Cemetery, Rangiora.
Burials date from 1877 and the cemetery
is still in use.
Copy of headstone transcripts.
Copy of Records of Methodist
Cemetery Ashley Street, Rangiora
May 2005 (original in Rangiora Parish
office).
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On the newspaper clipping for his death it states Church of England Cemetery Rangior
H. J. Gulliver which i am now assuming is the funeral director should i try to locate and contact them
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Hi kimmit
Here is an email link to Gulliver-Tyler, funeral directors, who have been "serving North Canterbury for over 132 years" (so this company very likely had its roots in the firm of H J GULLIVER ??)
https://www.gulliver-tyler.co.nz/?fbclid=IwAR0Yze-DT5zlqJrxJV_mXUs5kbR_04RLXhKrW2inxsoMpaBjMDe0gdoDhhc
Worth emailing them.
If however they are unable to assist, come back to this thread - I have another suggestion you could try.
~ Lu
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Hi again kimmit
Mmm ... this is how the death appears listed, in the NZ BDM (online) Death registrations.
1909 / 1878 - SCUDDER - Thomas - 76 years
His correct date of death (as is able to be deduced from this online listing), was
> 7 March 1909 :
[ SCUDDER [sic] ]
~ Lu
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kimmit ... (in case you haven't already seen this ?) ;)
A copy of the Probate Record (containing Will) - for Thomas SKUDDER, can be viewed here >
... see File (Image) # 7
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE69957225
The Trustees appointed in the Will - (dated 8 January 1909) - of Thomas SKUDDER, confirm in an affidavit that they were (both) present at his funeral at Rangiora Cemetery on 9 March 1909.
~ Lu
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Hi kimmit
I've re-checked resources under the name of *SCUDDER also (for both Thomas and Hannah) and was NOT able to find a burial record for either.
It does appear too that there was no headstone erected for them at Rangiora Cemetery.
~ Lu
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Funeral notice for "wife of Thomas SKUDDER" ... confirming she was to be buried at Rangiora Cemetery >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT19000905.2.65.7
Death Notice for Hannah SKUDDER >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT19000905.2.2
~ Lu
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As Whenu indicated, there appear to be a number of cemeteries in Rangiora. The funeral notices say "Church of England cemetery" so I think from this it is the one on Ashley St. :-\
https://www.waimakariri.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/cemetery-locations
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In need of help please
..... which states he was buried Tuesday 9th March 1909 COE Cem Rangiora, but they the cemetery can not fin either Thomas or his wife Hannah there .....
... the cemetery is likely the St John's Anglican cemetery (aka Rangiora C of E cemetery).
As Whenu indicated, there appear to be a number of cemeteries in Rangiora. The funeral notices say "Church of England cemetery" so I think from this it is the one on Ashley St. :-\
https://www.waimakariri.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/cemetery-locations
The Waimakariri DC does not have records for this particular cemetery, on its database (it was checked earlier).
kimmit ... can you please say exactly which cemetery you spoke to or dealt with ?
~ Lu
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Hi kimmit
The following is the info mentioned earlier, which I was going to add here, mainly as a last resort if other methods of searching didn't yield a result.
Not all cemeteries in NZ have searchable databases available online ... and there are still cemeteries connected to churches whose records are also not online but may be available via the particular demonination's archive (usually a fee is involved or you need to personally visit the archive to obtain information).
* * I suggest you contact the Christchurch Libraries website and use their "ask a librarian" facility.
They have a unique resource > a Card Index system of transcripts of Church Registers of Baptisms, Marriages and some Deaths/Burials, covering wider Canterbury and spanning many years. The Anglican (C of E) registers are well represented.
Explained here > https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/family-history/church-registers/
As you have evidence from other sources, of the SKUDDER burials at Rangiora, you need only supply those details and ask if you could have them do a look-up in the card index system for you.
[Maybe give them that variant spelling "SCUDDER" also.]
Link to Christchurch Libraries "ask a librarian" >
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/contact-us/
And do let us know how you get on with this.
~ Lu
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Lucy
I have emailed the funeral place and they have told me that the cemetery was decommissioned in the late 1900s
https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/1999-go6334
will have a look a bit later and see what i can find just got home after a very long day at work
many thanks for all the help
kim
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I have found his funeral notice from the Lyttelton Times 8th March 1909 page 12 which states he was buried Tuesday 9th March 1909 COE Cem Rangiora, but they the cemetery can not fin either Thomas or his wife Hannah there any suggestions or help very much appreciated. Many thanks Kim
Hi kimmit
Just repeating the above ... from your initial post to this thread.
My question was ... "which cemetery" cannot find the burial(s) ??
Question (repeated) : Exactly which cemetery did you speak to or contact ??
[This is not to do with what the funeral place said, because their contact details were only provided for you in a later post. The decommissioning aspect is not really of importance - it's more about where the burial records are, or who previously had custody of them. ]
~ Lu
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Rangiora Cemetery
Waimakariri gov/nz
Methodist burial enquiry
Canterbury-Hastings district council
I have found the lady that now lives in the house of Thomas and Hannah Skudder, but she does not know where they are buried she suggested Leithfield Balcairn, but we now know they were in COE Cem Rangiora i just have to find who may have the records for that cemetery now that it has been decommissioned.
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From the link I posted in reply #12
"Rangiora St John's Anglican Cemetery
Ashley Street, Rangiora. Contact: Rangiora Anglican Parish, phone 03 313 6148."
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Hello All,
I have not read all the replies but I can confidently reply that a great many records for the Anglican Cemetery, Ashley Street, Rangiora, have been lost. My Grt Grt grandmother should be there with her husband. He is there, with a headstone, but she isn't. A nephew of hers should be there, but he isn't. His death certificate says that this is his place of burial. I have other family members who are buried in this cemetery, but there is no paperwork to pinpoint their plots.
A few years ago a hedge was removed and a group of unmarked graves was found, but no records were found that may have identified the graves.
About 20 years ago the local branch of the NZSOG compiled a CD for all North Canterbury Cemeteries, using council, church, undertakers, and newspaper records. I have a copy of this CD, and sorry, your Skudder is not there.
Regards,
Jean Price
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Hello again,
I have just read Lu's reply re the headstones.
The CD I mentioned has all the records - not just those with headstones.
Regards
Jean