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I am lucky enough to have family letters from brothers and cousins dated 1829 to 1853. It is written that an ancestor of mine "Andrew Young, of Wintocks" . I have looked to find the area but with no luck. I have marriage information on his first and second wife and those marriages took place in Loudoun Parrish.
I was thinking perhaps a cottage or farm name? since many people were born with the name of their father, grandfather, uncle etc it is a why to keep which male straight from another within the family with the same name?
I would love to hear what others think or better yet if there is in deed a Wintocks?
thank you
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
I see that the same question was asked at https://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=10322 16 years ago and no satisfactory answer was obtained.
Are these the letters you mention? https://www.ayrshireroots.com/Towns/Mauchline/Letters%206.htm - if so it looks as if it is John Shields, not Andrew Young, who lived there. In a later letter there is mention of brother John having moved to the Byre of Loudon, and in 1841 there are indeed two John Shields, possibly father and son, at Loudon Byers. The elder one is listed as aged 65, which means that he was born between 1771 and 1776.
There's no listing of Wintock(s) in https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/ which means either that it is a variant spelling or somewhere that no longer exists.
Could you give a little bit more information? For example, what were the names of Andrew's wives and when did he marry them? What were the names and birth years of his children? What were the names of his parents and when was he born?
Also a bit of context - if the above letters are not the ones you are referring to, could you post (an) extract(s) from the letters showing the part(s) where Andrew Young was mentioned? Is there a definite statement that he lived in the parish of Loudoun? Are the brothers and cousins his?
In the 1841 census there are just two Andrew Youngs in Loudoun - one aged 8, so obviously too young; the other, age recorded as 35, with Mary, 30 and two children.
In 1851 he is 40, with wife Mary, 36, and four children, all born in Loudoun and living in Darvel in the parish of Loudoun.
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Hello, yes those are the letters I was referring to. Andrew Young b:1780 and I believe I have that info, his first wife Margaret Shields died about 1826. Married Mary Montgomery 1827. As you can see in the letter dated April 1832 it is written that Andrew and family left June of the year before. It also written that Andrew Young (of Wintocks) through the letter.
I have the family and most if not all the family except for 2 with birth dates and death dates all in Ontario Canada.
I would like to know more about the location he lived in. Loudoun Parrish is where both marriages took place.
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I found this mention of "the Swan at Wintock" in the Paisley Herald and Renfrewshire Advertiser, Saturday 14 May 1870.
ROMANTIC SUICIDE OF A SERVANT GIRL.
An inquest has been held at Newton on the body of Elizabeth Gleave, aged 18, which was found in the Mere at Newton on Tuesday. She was a domestic servant at Mr Barclay's, foreman of the compositors at Messrs McCorquodale & Co.'s, printers, and received the addresses of a young man named Michael Ward, a workman under her master. All went right until Sunday last, when he refused for some reason to walk her out that night. A married man named Jones, a fellow-workman with Ward, overheard this refusal, and at a later hour called to see the girl, and inflamed her jealousy by telling her that the reason Ward would not walk her out was that he had another sweetheart, and was going to give her (deceased) up. He prevailed on her to go out with him on the pretext of his showing her Ward and the supposed other female. He took her a long walk, and at the Swan at Wintock he prevailed on her to have some rum, and not being used to liquors she was nearly tipsy when she got home. [continues].
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I'm afraid that this interesting report has nothing to do with the present query.
There is no such process in Scots Law as an inquest. Also, there is no listing of the death of Elizabeth Gleave in the deaths index at Scotland's People.
There is a listing in FreeBMD of the death of Elizabeth Gleave, 18, registered in Warrington, Cheshire, England in the June quarter of 1870.
One of the premises of McCorquodales the printers was at Newton, Liverpool.
So wherever this 'Swan at Wintock' is or was, it was not in Ayrshire.
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Yes, I thought it was probably irrelevant, but I thought I’d leave it to Scottish experts to adjudicate. Looking again at the full article there are no internal clues as to where it does come from.
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The clue is the word 'inquest'. As soon as you see that, you can be sure that it wasn't in Scotland.
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It's academic now following Forfarian’s comments but another pointer is the use of the word Mere, an English word for a shallow lake and common in NW England, particularly Cheshire.
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I read that article earlier today too - she was buried at Newton le Willows, so not Ayrshire.
Couldn't find any other newspaper reference to Wintock(s).
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Hi,
I found this on - https://drmarkjardine.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/covenanters-captured-at-david-houstons-preaching-at-the-polbaith-burn-in-1687/ -
referring to Covenanters captured in 1687.
One of them was
John Mitchell, servant in ‘the Wintocks’, Loudoun parish.
On 21 January, John Mitchell was before Captain Thomas Douglas at Ayr:
‘John Mitchell, servant to Robert Miller in the Wintocks, Loudoune parish, he confesses he was at that conventicle on Sunday last the 16th of this instant which was keept at the Powbeath burne; he was advertised by John Broune [in Richardton, No. 32.] mentioned in [John] Nimmoes [No. 29.] declaratione about middday on Sunday; he declairs he meett with 40 Ewindaill men [i.e., from Evandale parish, Lanarkshire.], severalls of them hade guns, pistolls and suords. He says there wold have been 200 in all. He sawe many in armes bysydes the Ewindaill company. He daclairs there were severall children baptized, and these tuo persone proclaimed mentioned in the former declarations [i.e., James Wilsone and [—–] Gilchrist of Carluke parish. No. 35 & 36.]. He declairs the same with the former concerning the doctrine.’ (RPCS, XIII, 130.)
The Wintocks is probably now known as Intax
The above information is copied from the website.
The change from Wintocks to Intax makes sense to me.
I know where Intax Cottage is - it sits on the hillside above Darvel near Foulpapple Farm The cottage still exists, I think, but has had a name change. Or at least there is a cottage called Intax, most likely built in 18th/19th century perhaps on area of earlier cottage/farm.
Off hand I can't think what the new name for Intax is.
Looby :)
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That's really interesting Looby.
There are a few references in newspapers to a farm "New Intax" in Loudoun in the 1800s. in one described as "the property of the Marquis of Bute"
Monday, May 10, 1869
Publication: Glasgow Herald
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I wonder if this is it on this 1860 map "Newintakes"
https://maps.nls.uk/view/228776590#zoom=6&lat=5496&lon=2114&layers=BT
Modified to add:
Yes, shown as "New Intax" on this side by side view
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16.7&lat=55.63037&lon=-4.37115&layers=6&right=osm
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That is interesting Maddy.
It is not the location of the Intax I was referring to, which is outside Darvel and Newmilns and in the Parish of Loudoun.
But it would seem likely that your discovery of Newintax/Newintakes is the location referred to in here- John Mitchell, servant to Robert Miller in the Wintocks, Loudoune parish due to its proximity to the Polbaith Burn where the Covenanters were captured. This New Intax farm sits north of Galston and close to Moscow (not the Russian one :D) .
It is very possible this could be Andrew Young's Wintocks.
The more recent map seems to indicate the farm is still there.
So there appears to be two Intax in Loudoun Parish - but to be honest I'd opt for your find Maddy.
Looby
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Are you sure there are two different ones?
The one on that old map is at National Grid Reference NS508398, which is in the parish of Loudoun. It is 3 kilometres almost due north of Galston, which is in the parish of Galston, 2 kilometres almost due east from Moscow, which is in the parish of Kilmarnock, and only 500 metres from the Polbaith Burn which is the boundary between the parishes of Loudoun and Kilmarnock. It is 3.5 kilometres north-west of Newmilns, and rather further from Darvel, both of which are in the parish of Loudon.
So it looks to me as if there is just one New Intakes or New Intax.
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Hi.
There is an Intax Cottage on the Foulpapple Road heading towards High and Low Carlingcraig Farms above Darvel. This would also be in Parish of Loudoun.
The cottage sits at a junction where the road known locally as the Cronin meets Foulpapple Road. Confusingly it has been referred to online in Daily Record newspaper article as New Intax Farm.
The cottage has outbuildings and possibly an old stable?
According to the map Maddy shared, New Intax Farm sits North of Loudoun Castle....although I know the area I'm struggling to picture this Farm. However its proximity to Polbaith Burn makes it very likely to be the 'Wintocks' referred to in the Jardine Martyrs quote.
Whether it is the same Wintocks where Andrew Young was connected to, I can't say for sure.
So far I've not found Intax Cottage Darvel on an old map ( but to be honest didn't have a lot of time before bed last night to look) - however I would reckon the cottage was built in 19th century. It could've be built on the location of an early Farm or dwelling.....just not found a reference to that yet. And as I'm busy today I won't be able to check.
For the OP Bev - if required I would be happy to take some photos to send you you of the area once the location of Wintocks is established .
Looby :)
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Ah, yes, I see it. KA17 0NQ according to the post code directory. National Grid reference NS559388. See screenshot.
It's hidden by the trees on the left in this view https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/113177.
It wasn't there when the First Edition of the Ordnance Survey six-inch map was surveyed in 1858.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.6&lat=55.62146&lon=-4.29183&layers=5&b=1&marker=55.62094,-4.28906
In the Second Edition, surveyed 1895, it is shown and named as Foulpapple Cottage.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.6&lat=55.62189&lon=-4.28938&layers=6&b=1&marker=55.62094,-4.28906
So I don't think it can be in contention to be the Wintocks referred to in the letters in the 1830s and 1840s.
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I see from the Valuation Rolls that the proprietor of most of Loudoun, including New Intax Farm, in 1875 was Charles Frederick Clifton Abney-Hastings. He had married Edith Maud Rawdon-Hastings, 10th Countess of Loudoun, in 1853. Edith's grandmother was Flora Campbell, 6th Countess of Loudoun.
According to the catalogue of the National Register of Archives for Scotland, the archives of the Rawden-Hastings and Campbell Family, Earls of Loudoun, are in the Burns Monument Centre in Kilmarnock https://eastayrshireleisure.com/culture/burns-monument-centre/
These may contain information about estate houses and tenants, and might confirm the exact location of the Wintocks and whether or not it is now (New) Intax.
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Street View
I believe we have ruled out this property and location, AlanBoyd.
Forfarian has not found any dwelling or farm at the location off Foulpapple Road on an Ordnance Survery map of 1858. So it is unlikely this is the 'Wintcocks' referred to in letters from 1830s& 40s.
Looby :)
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Apologies, I didn’t read Forfarian’s map post carefully enough. Sorry to have muddied the waters – I’ll try to delete.
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Apologies, I didn’t read Forfarian’s map post carefully enough. Sorry to have muddied the waters – I’ll try to delete.
Added: deletion successful.
No bother, Alan :)
Looby
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I took a little look via www.freecen.org.uk at the 1841 and 1851 Scottish Census for Loudoun, and managed to find New Intax and Little Intax recorded. They are next to each other on the Census - Little Intax would be the farm labourer's cottage.
In 1841 the farm name as been transcribed as New Iintax - the family of William Montgomerie live there. The other dwelling has been transcribed as Little New Intax and Andrew Donald (farm labourer) and family are resident.
Interestingly ten years later in 1851 the farm name has been transcribed as New Wintox.
A James Neil is the farmer.
The cottage name is Little Wintox and the Donalds still live there.
Looby :)
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Well found Looby. :D
Interestingly, in the 1851 in the next property the other way is "Whatricks" with the family of Archibald MITCHEL. His nephew is with them - James ORR (12). In the article I found mentioning New Intax in 1869, it says "property of the Marquis of Bute, occupied by James Orr, farmer."
Also just noticed the article mentions a John YOUNG, cattle herd. Possibly a coincidence - YOUNG being quite a common name.
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Well found Looby. :D
Interestingly, in the 1851 in the next property the other way is "Whatricks" with the family of Archibald MITCHEL. His nephew is with them - James ORR (12). In the article I found mentioning New Intax in 1869, it says "property of the Marquis of Bute, occupied by James Orr, farmer."
Also just noticed the article mentions a John YOUNG, cattle herd. Possibly a coincidence - YOUNG being quite a common name.
Yes, I noticed Whatricks - this is usually spelt Whatriggs - obviously the enumerator in 1851 would write down what he heard - and the local accent would make the 'ggs sound like 'cks'
Young is indeed common name - and there were many Youngs (still are) in the area.
I must check out Archibald Mitchel .....he could be descended from one of my Mitchells ;D
Looby :)
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Interesting about the Marquis of Bute - according to the 1855 Valuation Roll the proprietor of the farm of Newintakes was The Most Noble the Marquis of Hastings. In 1865 the same man is proprietor of Newingtax, and in 1875 the proprietor is Charles Frederick Clifton Abney-Hastings.
Is it possible that the author of the article wrote Marquis of Bute in error for Marquis of Hastings?
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Is it possible that the author of the article wrote Marquis of Bute in error for Marquis of Hastings?
Quite possible! Must have needed a better sub-editor. :D Does make you wonder how often facts are not quite correct in newspaper articles. Whilst newspapers are a wonderful tool, I often try to double check information gleaned from the papers.
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Interesting about the Marquis of Bute - according to the 1855 Valuation Roll the proprietor of the farm of Newintakes was The Most Noble the Marquis of Hastings. In 1865 the same man is proprietor of Newingtax, and in 1875 the proprietor is Charles Frederick Clifton Abney-Hastings.
Is it possible that the author of the article wrote Marquis of Bute in error for Marquis of Hastings?
The 3rd Marquis of Bute from 1848 to 1900 was John Crichton- Stuart (he gained the title on his father's death when he was six months old).
HIs father was 2nd Marquis John Crichton-Stuart and his mother was Lady Sophia Rawdon-Hastings daughter of the 1st Marquis of Hastings. Her mother was Flora Campbell, 6th Countess of Loudoun.
So it was possible through his mother's connection to the Loudoun Estate, that the Marquis of Bute may have been proprietor of Intax in 1869 - but then again perhaps the newpaper got their Marquises in a muddle.
Interestingly, Lady Sophia Rawdon- Hastings older sister Lady Flora Hastings was a lady-in-waiting to Queen Victoria's mother the Duchess of Kent. Flora's illness and early death in 1839 caused a scandal at court which for a time damaged Queen Victoria's reputation. Lady Flora is buried inside Loudoun Kirk.
Looby :)
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You have a wealth of knowledge Looby!
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You have a wealth of knowledge Looby!
;D
Not really. But being brought up and living in the area all my life , the story of Lady Flora is well known locally - there was a school (now sheltered housing for elderly) called Lady Flora's in my home town. I regularly walk in the area of Loudoun estate and the old Kirk.
I knew there was a connection with the Hastings family to the Marquis of Bute - a Google search filled in the blanks ;D
Looby :)
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thanks everyone
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Hello everyone, sorry had to work the weekend and I guess the time change with being here in Ontario been away from the computer for a few days.
I think the one post that include that Wintocks was part or included in the Loudoun Parish is what I was looking for.
I have been reading the other posts and all is very interesting and I am enjoying the information you are all posting.
thank you all so much
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Whatricks could perhaps be similar in meaning to Whatriggs, as in the Kilmarnock version, just up the road a bit,
cheers, Ian
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If I were to visit the Loudoun Parrish where would I find the Wintock area of the Parrish? Would love to google map the area and see the actual area my ancestors lived before leaving for Canada in 1831.
thanks
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Don't waste your time with Google maps.
Maddys52 found New Intaks or Newintax on the older maps. See Reply #11 above.
It's about two miles north-west of Newmilns, and a similar distance east-south-east from Moscow.
You can see it on this modern Ordnance Survey map https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS5039
And for the moment it's on Streetmap https://streetmap.co.uk/map?x=252802&y=637449&z=120&sv=newmilns&st=3&tl=Map+of+Newmilns,+East+Ayrshire+[Town]&searchp=ids&mapp=map - you will probably need to drag the map down and to the right a bit to see New Intax.
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thanks again for the help, will have a look at the map and the area.
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I found this map from 1829 just a few years before Andrew Young left for Canada
https://www.alamy.com/historical-map-dated-1829-showing-the-parish-of-loudoun-ayrshire-scotland-including-details-of-populations-and-land-valuations-uk-image363745053.html
Also knowing the area in which in lived being Wintocks in prior to 1831 (when he left for Canada) are there land records I can looks through for if he owned or rented. Perhaps a more detail of where within the parish he lived in?
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That is exactly why Reply #16 above tells you that the records of the estate of the Earls of Loudon are in the Burns Monument Centre in Kilmarnock.
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Andrew Youngs second wife was Mary Montgomery married in 1827 so perhaps that is a clue to the area being once Wintocks
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Montgomerie family is the wife of Andrew's second wife. The Andrew Donald also mentioned was mentioned in the letter my family mailed between each other
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Hi
It is very possible the Montgomerie family at New Intax Farm in 1841 are related to Mary Montgomerie/Montgomery, Andrew Young's second wife. There don't seem to have been many Montgomerie/Montgomery about Loudoun at this time. Add to that the mention of Andrew Donald at the Little New Intax.
The above Montgomerie family are in Glasgow by 1851.
107 John Street
MONTGOMERIE William Head M M 45 Cowfeeder Ayrshire - Riccarton
MONTGOMERIE Jean Wife - F 42 Ayrshire - Riccarton
MONTGOMERIE Janet Dau - F 15 Ayrshire - Loudoun
MONTGOMERIE Jean Dau - F 13 Ayrshire - Loudoun
MONTGOMERIE Hugh Son - M 11 Scholar Ayrshire - Loudoun
MONTGOMERIE Isabella Dau - F 6 Scholar Ayrshire - Loudoun
Did Andrew Young have children with Mary Montgomerie? If so, what were their names, please?
I'm wondering if they had a Hugh and/or an Agnes.
Looby :)
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Andrew Young & Mary Montgomery married 1827 in Loudoun Parish
Hugh Young b:c 1827-1828 Scotland
Agnes Young b:c 1831 Scotland
John Young b:1836 New Brunswick Canada
Andrew James Young b:1839 New Brunswick Canada
Mary Young b: 1841 Binbrook Ontario Canada
Jane /Jean Young b:1842 Binbrook Ontario Canada
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Following on from my last post.
There is a Hugh Montgomerie aged 80 a farmer born outside the county of Ayrshire and an Agness Montgomerie aged 69 , also born outside the county, living at Alton Farm in Loudoun Parish in 1841.
Also a Thomas Montgomerie aged 30 with a wife Mary and daughters Helen, Agnes and Mary at Alton Farm on same Census.
Alton Farm is in the same area as New Intax.
I think these people will be connected to William Montgomerie.
Looby :)
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I believe or think that Mary Montgomery father was Hugh Montgomery and mother Agnes Orr. Still have to prove 100% and being in Ontario Canada is more difficult confirming the facts.
Hugh Young b:c1827 Scotland would be my 3x great grandfather died here in Ontario
Agnes Young b: c1831 Scotland also died here in Ontario as well
I have a William b:c 1821 Scotland and William Young b:unknown. Both headstone were beside other Young family members but can not find the link to who or how they fit into the Young tree yet. I am thinking that sons to Andrew and Margaret Shields the 1st wife.
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Andrew Young & Mary Montgomery married 1827 in Loudoun Parish
Hugh Young b:c 1827-1828 Scotland
Agnes Young b:c 1831 Scotland
John Young b:1836 New Brunswick Canada
Andrew James Young b:1839 New Brunswick Canada
Mary Young b: 1841 Binbrook Ontario Canada
Jane /Jean Young b:1842 Binbrook Ontario Canada
Thank you for those names.
I suspect Mary Montgomerie was the daughter of Hugh and Agness Montgomerie of Alton Farm. The fact that they have named their first daughter Agnes (very often Scots named first daughter after her maternal grandmother) appears to support that. Usually first son is named after paternal grandfather and second son after maternal grandfather - of course, in this case both men could've been called Hugh!
And naturally, not all Scots followed the 'naming pattern' - so you can't always rely on this to identify.
William and Thomas look to be sons of Hugh and Agness and therefore, probably Mary's brothers. You would need to find recorded documents - parish records to definitely establish above.
William and Thomas were born in the parish of Riccarton according to the 1851 Census - so perhaps Mary was too?
Looby :)
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Thanks for the thoughts on Thomas and William but they can't be Mary brothers because both have last name of Young on their cemetery stones.
I was aware of the naming order of the children, I have found this quite helpful during the building of the tree.
Thomas died here in Ontario 1854 and William in 1864. Where did you find the Census 1851 ? Ancestry or is there a free site. Currently I only have Ancestry.ca since most of the family reside here in Ontario.
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Thanks for the thoughts on Thomas and William. I will look into that
I was aware of the naming order of the children, I have found this quite helpful during the building of the tree.
Thomas died here in Ontario 1854 and William in 1864. Where did you find the Census 1851 ? Ancestry or is there a free site. Currently I only have Ancestry.ca since most of the family reside here in Ontario.
I found 1851 Census on Freecen - www.freecen.org.uk. It only has Ayrshire Census for 1841 & 51 transcribed. For the original Census record, which is always worth viewing as transcriptions can't always be depended on, you would need to visit www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
I'm sure you will know about Scotlands People if you have been researching for a while - you need to buy credits to access the records - but they are the genuine original records.
Interesting that Thomas and William migrated to Canada too.
Good luck with your research
Looby :)
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Yes use Scotlands People a lot have Andrew, Margaret marriage info as well as Andrew and Mary marriage. I believe I have Andrews baptism for March 1780.
When family emigrated in 1831 Thomas would have only been 10 that was why I thought perhaps a son with first wife Margaret Shields. William only had a death year of 1864 no birth but since they were side by side and by their perhaps sister and father I am thinking brothers. Just wish I could confirm it.
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Yes use Scotlands People a lot have Andrew, Margaret marriage info as well as Andrew and Mary marriage. I believe I have Andrews baptism for March 1780.
When family emigrated in 1831 Thomas would have only been 10 that was why I thought perhaps a son with first wife Margaret Shields. William only had a death year of 1864 no birth but since they were side by side and by their perhaps sister and father I am thinking brothers. Just wish I could confirm it.
Apologies, I thought you meant the two Montgomerie men on 1841&51 Census had migrated to Canada -
you mean Thomas Young and William Young - sons of Andrew Young and possibly both step-sons of Mary Montgomerie.
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yes, correct.
I will look at the different maps to have a look around the area where my ancestors lived way back then. I would love to walk in the area, look at some of the farms still standing (if any).
I am sorry I have no idea how to place place your message in quotes.
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To quote a previous comment - just click on 'Quote' on the right hand side of the post and it will do the job for you - then you can add your own comment beneath.
I think the farms are still standing (or at least a farm, perhaps not the original building).
Looby :)
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To quote a previous comment - just click on 'Quote' on the right hand side of the post and it will do the job for you - then you can add your own comment beneath.
I think the farms are still standing (or at least a farm, perhaps not the original building).
Looby :)
ok thanks
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I also would like to learn more about the land issue in Scotland when my ancestors lived there. I have read in the letter between brothers and cousins that rent was a big issue. Would any recommend a site I could read about the issues people were facing? why could they not own land or very few owned mostly everyone rented their farm or the land the farm was on. I know from articles and sites that was why many came to Canada. They could actually own the land they farmed.
Thanks, sorry if I seem a little clueless on this information but I have mostly concentrated on Canada and just now working more into Scotland. So any article, sites, or if someone can fill me in I would very much appreciate it.
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why could they not own land
Money, basically.
Land and titles were granted by the monarch to his supporters centuries ago. In the 19th century most land was still owned by the descendants of the last supporter to whom it had been granted, or by someone who had bought large estates from the hereditary land owner.
There was no law to prevent ordinary people owning land, but few could amass the money need to buy, even if the landowner was willing to sell relatively small parcels of land such as a single farm.
Not sure about web sites, but there are plenty of books on this and related topics. For example https://archive.org/details/historyofscottis0000smou
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The Statistical Accounts for the Parish of Loudoun from 1792 and 1842 may give you an insight into life in the area. They are free to read here.
https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/viewer/osa-vol3-Parish_record_for_Loudoun_in_the_county_of_Ayrshire_in_volume_3_of_account_1/osa-vol3-p103-parish-ayrshire-loudoun?search=loudoun
and here https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/viewer/nsa-vol5-Parish_record_for_Loudoun_in_the_county_of_Ayrshire_in_volume_5_of_account_2/nsa-vol5-p834-parish-ayrshire-loudoun?search=loudoun
Please note the page numbers for above are from 833 - 855
The Statistical Account was written by the parish minister - in 1792 the parish minister was Dr. George Lawrie. He was a friend and supporter of poet Robert Burns.
Looby :)
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why could they not own land
Money, basically.
Land and titles were granted by the monarch to his supporters centuries ago. In the 19th century most land was still owned by the descendants of the last supporter to whom it had been granted, or by someone who had bought large estates from the hereditary land owner.
There was no law to prevent ordinary people owning land, but few could amass the money need to buy, even if the landowner was willing to sell relatively small parcels of land such as a single farm.
Not sure about web sites, but there are plenty of books on this and related topics. For example https://archive.org/details/historyofscottis0000smou
thank you I will definitely read this :)
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The Statistical Accounts for the Parish of Loudoun from 1792 and 1842 may give you an insight into life in the area. They are free to read here.
https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/viewer/osa-vol3-Parish_record_for_Loudoun_in_the_county_of_Ayrshire_in_volume_3_of_account_1/osa-vol3-p103-parish-ayrshire-loudoun?search=loudoun
and here https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/viewer/nsa-vol5-Parish_record_for_Loudoun_in_the_county_of_Ayrshire_in_volume_5_of_account_2/nsa-vol5-p834-parish-ayrshire-loudoun?search=loudoun
Please note the page numbers for above are from 833 - 855
The Statistical Account was written by the parish minister - in 1792 the parish minister was Dr. George Lawrie. He was a friend and supporter of poet Robert Burns.
Looby :)
thank you for the articles, I appreciate it :)