Ancestor from Ayrshire but where is Wintocks?

[loobylooayr]

Thanks for the thoughts on Thomas and William. I will look into that

I was aware of the naming order of the children, I have found this quite helpful during the building of the tree.

Thomas died here in Ontario 1854 and William in 1864.  Where did you find the Census 1851 ? Ancestry or is there a free site. Currently I only have Ancestry.ca since most of the family reside here in Ontario.

I found 1851 Census on Freecen - www.freecen.org.uk.  It only has Ayrshire Census for 1841 & 51 transcribed. For the original Census record, which is always worth viewing as transcriptions can't always be depended on, you would need to visit www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
I'm sure you will know about Scotlands People if you have been researching for a while - you need to buy credits to access the records - but they are the genuine original records. 

Interesting that Thomas and William migrated to Canada too.

Good luck with your research

Looby

[Bev64]

Yes use Scotlands People a lot have Andrew, Margaret marriage info as well as Andrew and Mary marriage. I believe I have Andrews baptism for March 1780.

When family emigrated in 1831 Thomas would have only been 10 that was why I thought perhaps a son with first wife Margaret Shields.  William only had a death year of 1864 no birth but since they were side by side and by their perhaps sister  and father I am thinking brothers. Just wish I could confirm it.

[loobylooayr]

Yes use Scotlands People a lot have Andrew, Margaret marriage info as well as Andrew and Mary marriage. I believe I have Andrews baptism for March 1780.

When family emigrated in 1831 Thomas would have only been 10 that was why I thought perhaps a son with first wife Margaret Shields.  William only had a death year of 1864 no birth but since they were side by side and by their perhaps sister  and father I am thinking brothers. Just wish I could confirm it.

Apologies, I thought you meant the two Montgomerie men on 1841&51 Census had migrated to Canada -
you mean Thomas Young and William Young - sons of Andrew Young and possibly both step-sons of Mary Montgomerie.

[Bev64]

yes, correct. 

I will look at the different maps to have a look around the area where my ancestors lived way back then.  I would love to walk in the area, look at some of the farms still standing (if any).

I am sorry I have no idea how to place place your message in quotes.

[loobylooayr]

To quote a previous comment - just click on 'Quote' on the right hand side of the post and it will do the job for you - then you can add your own comment beneath.
 
I think the farms are still standing (or at least a farm, perhaps not the original building).

Looby

[Bev64]

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I think the farms are still standing (or at least a farm, perhaps not the original building).

Looby

ok thanks

[Bev64]

I also would like to learn more about the land issue in Scotland when my ancestors lived there. I have read in the letter between brothers and cousins that rent was a big issue.  Would any recommend a site I could read about the issues people were facing? why could they not own land or very few owned mostly everyone rented their farm or the land the farm was on. I know from articles and sites that was why many came to Canada.  They could actually own the land they farmed.

Thanks, sorry if I seem a little clueless on this information but I have mostly concentrated on Canada and just now working more into Scotland.  So any article, sites, or if someone can fill me in I would very much appreciate it. 

[Forfarian]

why could they not own land

Money, basically.

Land and titles were granted by the monarch to his supporters centuries ago. In the 19th century most land was still owned by the descendants of the last supporter to whom it had been granted, or by someone who had bought large estates from the hereditary land owner.

There was no law to prevent ordinary people owning land, but few could amass the money need to buy, even if the landowner was willing to sell relatively small parcels of land such as a single farm.

Not sure about web sites, but there are plenty of books on this and related topics. For example  https://archive.org/details/historyofscottis0000smou

[loobylooayr]

The Statistical Accounts for the Parish of Loudoun from 1792 and 1842 may give you an insight into  life in the area. They are free to read here.
https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/viewer/osa-vol3-Parish_record_for_Loudoun_in_the_county_of_Ayrshire_in_volume_3_of_account_1/osa-vol3-p103-parish-ayrshire-loudoun?search=loudoun

and here  https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/viewer/nsa-vol5-Parish_record_for_Loudoun_in_the_county_of_Ayrshire_in_volume_5_of_account_2/nsa-vol5-p834-parish-ayrshire-loudoun?search=loudoun
Please note the page numbers for above are from 833 - 855

The Statistical Account was written by the parish minister - in 1792 the parish minister was Dr. George Lawrie. He was a friend and supporter of poet Robert Burns.

Looby